Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[hotcabbagesoup]

With Hronek out long term, would the Canucks like a LD who can play 22:00 min a game and has experience covering for a roving offensive dman. Also a leader assistant captain. Makario Ferrarorr. I'll take a 2nd and a 4th.

 

[weastern bias]

With Hronek out long term, would the Canucks like a LD who can play 22:00 min a game and has experience covering for a roving offensive dman. Also a leader assistant captain. Makario Ferrarorr. I'll take a 2nd and a 4th.

Hronek is a RHD

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Hronek is a RHD

 

[hohosaregood]

Jason Demers

The sad thing is that Dillon-Demers would've been a great pairing.

 

[Grinner]

The extremist takes on both sides of the DW debate are a bit much for me. He was clearly a decent GM who had a budget team in the mix every year for a decade and a half. He also put his own f***ing son in charge of our scouting department and dug us into a significantly deeper hole than we needed to be in after the 2019-2020 season.

Some praise and some criticism is warranted, but if I had to take a side, I’d say it’s valid to say pretty much whatever you want about the guy on the principle of him putting his kid in charge of our scouting department and grooming him to be his replacement. I don’t even think DWJr did an especially bad job, but the sheer absurdity of that decision is inexcusable and justifies some pretty strong opinions. Personally, I understand we have blind spots for our families and I’m willing to let it go, but I can’t blame somebody for being pissed off about that.

Budget team?

 

[Barrie22]

Budget team?

The strings weren't really released until close to the 2008 season.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I would really rather do Mukhamadullin instead of Musty but yeah I have no idea if CBJ would have any interest in Mukhamadullin

It would be a comparable or Thompson

 

[Wedontneedroads]

Keep Granlund unless you can get a 1st for him. 2nd is not worth it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Keep Granlund unless you can get a 1st for him. 2nd is not worth it.

Granny has to want to re-sign for two years and if not they should take what they can get at the deadline.

 

[Shark Finn]

Yikes.

I don't even want to know the message this was a reply to, but considering the topic, has to be warranted.

 

[vortexy]

Really good listen from two hockey analysts (Jack Han and Dimitri Filipovic) on what they are seeing on tape from Celebrini for those interested The Hockey PDOcast

 

[Star Platinum]

I don't even want to know the message this was a reply to, but considering the topic, has to be warranted.

The message

 

[vortexy]

Wow I know Walman has been great for us but jesus look at his numbers. He has 17 points and is a +7 in 21 games which is a 66 point pace in 82 games. Major note is his career high is 21 points which he got last year in 63 games. This guy is on pace to break his career high in 27 games played if he keeps this up.....

 

[Star Platinum]

Wow I know Walman has been great for us but jesus look at his numbers. He has 17 points and is a +7 in 21 games which is a 66 point pace in 82 games. Major note is his career high is 21 points which he got last year in 63 games. This guy is on pace to break his career high in 27 games played if he keeps this up.....

He hasn't even done much of it on the power play - almost all even strength

 

[OrrNumber4]

I'm too conditioned to be skeptical of good things. I'm wary of Walman regressing.

 

[Patty Ice]

Geez Trotz really f***ed up...to our benefit.

 

[coooldude]

Geez Trotz really f***ed up...to our benefit.

Our benefit on Askarov... But one fewer team in the Blackwood market.

 

[matt trick]

Our benefit on Askarov... But one fewer team in the Blackwood market.

I’m not convinced Colorado is any better now, nor is their goaltending better in the future. I’m not convinced that if the Preds gave Askarov 2* $1.5M he wouldn’t have stayed played 20-30 games behind Saros each of the next two years, performed and then both would have had very high trade value.

Maybe the preds get a better than a 1-4 record with their backup in as well…

We will so take it!

Wow I know Walman has been great for us but jesus look at his numbers. He has 17 points and is a +7 in 21 games which is a 66 point pace in 82 games. Major note is his career high is 21 points which he got last year in 63 games. This guy is on pace to break his career high in 27 games played if he keeps this up.....

Kind of hoping for a Vince Dunn new team upside from Walman or Liljigren. Have an empty d core, bring in a few talented guys, give them excellent opportunities and boom, legit top 4 PMD because somebody has to be.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Kind of hoping for a Vince Dunn new team upside from Walman or Liljigren. Have an empty d core, bring in a few talented guys, give them excellent opportunities and boom, legit top 4 PMD because somebody has to be.

I think we can safely say that Walman is a top-4 damn. Not sure about anything more than that, yet.

Also, trading Wedgewood after signing him months ago? Rough...

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Seeing how Granny is doing, he was such an underrated piece of the EK trade. Hope we resign him, but I’d bet he fetches a first or multiple 2nds if we trade him.

He’s 22nd in the league in points. He was considered a cap dump from a bad stint in pit.

Granny + Musty looks like an absolute fleecing by MG now.

 

[Lebanezer]

Seeing how Granny is doing, he was such an underrated piece of the EK trade. Hope we resign him, but I’d bet he fetches a first or multiple 2nds if we trade him.

He’s 22nd in the league in points. He was considered a cap dump from a bad stint in pit.

Granny + Musty looks like an absolute fleecing by MG now.

Dickinson not Musty. Which makes it’s even better.

 

[Lebanezer]

 

[Hodge]

His underlying numbers from last season look horrible. If those are an accurate reflection of his play it’s really not that crazy the Wings had to attach a pick to dump him.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

His underlying numbers from last season look horrible. If those are an accurate reflection of his play it’s really not that crazy the Wings had to attach a pick to dump him.

But his underlying numbers from the 2022-2023 season were excellent. There was reason, based on those, to feel he had strong bounce back potential. He is now showing that the bounce back potential was very real.

And I'd argue that even if he were guaranteed to be that 26th percentile defenseman, bending hard but not completely breaking in a very difficult role on a horrible Wings team, a 2nd round pick was still a steep cost to get rid of him at only $3.2M. 26th percentile is more like 6th/7th D than it is totally horrible; Ceci, Ferraro, Rutta, and Thrun are all below 26th percentile by the same metrics.

You can argue around the edges until your heart is content but it was a pretty rough trade at the time and it has aged horribly. Especially considering Ben Chiarot, making the same salary and playing the same position as Walman, is single-handedly keeping them out of playoff contention.

 

[The Nemesis]

Our benefit on Askarov... But one fewer team in the Blackwood market.

Is it? Wedgewood is 100% a backup and functionally it only cost them a 6th plus the G swap to ensure there was a roster space. The Avs can't rely on Wedgewood to carry them for weeks on end, so it feels like this is a stopgap. Bring in someone who can take some of the load and theoretically not suck to buy time for Georgiev to sort his crap out and get out of this hole he's in.

If he still sucks in 2 or 3 months and Wedgewood has kept them at least somewhat afloat in the playoff picture, I could still see them making a play for a rental starter to try and make a late push.

I would also say the price goes up at that point, but it's not like they've sunk significant assets into trying to fix their problem so far.