Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[STL Shark]

This is why Ryan Warsofsky is the HC. For guys like Musty to better develop directly under him (and his staff) than back in juniors for his D+2 year. Seems like if Musty has at least a good camp (although not necessarily a great camp), he should just stay in SJ to work under our developmental HC. This IS like he's in the AHL, if he's playing under Warzy. But better since I don't trust our AHL HC.

Hopefully that's what Grier is thinking too.

Yeah, this ain’t it. This thought process is how you wind up in the days of Lean Bergmann and Chekovich in your lineup.

Musty is unfortunately hurt by the more and more antiquated CHL-NHL agreement. He’s the ideal AHL player, but shouldn’t sniff the NHL roster this year. Warsofsky is trying to run a team rather than a youth development camp and Musty is better off in junior than getting 8 minutes a night with 30+ healthy scratches and some development time at practice.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I see Musty as a player with a clear ''IT'' factor and to be honest it has been shown a lot after we've drafted him. Last year being clearly the best player in the propects scrimmage and he is turning 19 in couple of weeks. Keep him for the sake of potential, we want to see what he's got. I'm a big believer in that Musty can become 1st line winger at his best.

 

[tiburon12]

Guy who writes for Winnipeg in the athletic says the Sharks, Blue Jackets and Senators are teams with interest.

If thats true I just hope we dont overpay. Hold onto Musty and pick 14 please

Based on what we've seen from Grier, I don't think he'd trade either for McGroaty (thankfully). I'd be quite surprised.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Based on what we've seen from Grier, I don't think he'd trade either for McGroaty (thankfully). I'd be quite surprised.

McGroarty will be traded to a team that can give him a roster spot this season. We would have wayyy too many rookie forwrads if we traded for him lol. It would make sense if we didn't win the draft lottery, and sign Smith or Graf, but there's too many rookies trying to earn spots for this to be a good fit.

 

[STL Shark]

Based on what we've seen from Grier, I don't think he'd trade either for McGroaty (thankfully). I'd be quite surprised.

Curious what you've seen from Grier to think that. To me, it seems like a Grier type move as he's gone out and gotten discontent highly regarded draft picks multiple times already in Thrun and Zadina. Dellandrea is another former 1st rounder that he bought low on as well.

I don't think he will give up 14th overall for him, but I think this would be a very Mike Grier move overall. Only hold up is whether he wants to invest more capital into the forward group while the defense remains a black hole.

Relatively indifferent on whether we pursue or not, but could for sure it being a Grier move.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I saw an interesting trade proposal on cap friendly.

Eklund + 14 for Reinbacher + 5

I would do this in a heartbeat.

I would even trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up.

I just wanted to get others thoughts.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I saw an interesting trade proposal on cap friendly.

Eklund + 14 for Reinbacher + 5

I would do this in a heartbeat.

I would even trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up.

I just wanted to get others thoughts.

No chance Habs would do that. I love Eklund but Reinbacher is 2-3 years younger and a RHD while Eklund's a left shooting winger. Not to mention the value difference in 5 and 14 is insane.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I saw an interesting trade proposal on cap friendly.

Eklund + 14 for Reinbacher + 5

I would do this in a heartbeat.

I would even trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up.

I just wanted to get others thoughts.

I would do it, but Habs probably don't. But it's interesting, both teams get to really upgrade area that they need the most help:
Defence: Sharks get 1-2RD in Reinbacher + draft a top defencemen with 5th overall
Offence: Montreal get 1st line 2-way winger in Eklund + draft a decent forward with 14th overall

 

[ChompChomp]

Yeah, this ain’t it. This thought process is how you wind up in the days of Lean Bergmann and Chekovich in your lineup.

Musty is unfortunately hurt by the more and more antiquated CHL-NHL agreement. He’s the ideal AHL player, but shouldn’t sniff the NHL roster this year. Warsofsky is trying to run a team rather than a youth development camp and Musty is better off in junior than getting 8 minutes a night with 30+ healthy scratches and some development time at practice.

Musty isn't better off in Sudbury, apparently, that's my point and the point of others. Guys like Musty are in a unique, bad spot.

 

[STL Shark]

I would do it, but Habs probably don't. But it's interesting, both teams get to really upgrade area that they need the most help:
Defence: Sharks get 1-2RD in Reinbacher + draft a top defencemen with 5th overall
Offence: Montreal get 1st line 2-way winger in Eklund + draft a decent forward with 14th overall

Yeah, I think I would do it. Go Reinbacher and then nab one of the LHD in Dickinson or Buium at 5th overall and you're set on your top pairing (or pair them separately to round out the entire top 4).

That said, what Montreal needs most is a center and Eklund won't help them on that quest so that would be why they're out on that deal. It's a move that is maybe made next year if we happen to win the Hagans lottery where we deal one of Smith/1st overall for top end defense help.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Now would you trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up?

 

[Alaskanice]

Now would you trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up?

I think Montreal can draft what they need this year.

 

[STL Shark]

Musty isn't better off in Sudbury, apparently, that's my point and the point of others.

He is better off there than the NHL where he's not remotely ready to be right now. Let him go back to junior and play on the WJC team and round things out more. It's not a perfect situation, but it's better than the NHL where he's taking a roster spot to ride the bench more often than not.

Warsofsky isn't some magic bullet of development that can override the need for a player to be given the right amount of time to mature and develop. Musty is realistically 2 years away from the NHL. Stinks that he can't test himself more in the AHL, but those are the rules (and I doubt he wants to go play in Europe on loan for a year). Play this year in juniors as a 19 year old and then play a year with the Cuda as a 20 year old and maybe make the NHL as a 21 year old.

That is still a super ambitious development plan for a late 1st rounder, and anything ahead of that would be pretty staggering based on historical evidence.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I saw an interesting trade proposal on cap friendly.

Eklund + 14 for Reinbacher + 5

I would do this in a heartbeat.

I would even trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up.

I just wanted to get others thoughts.

I’d do either. Again, I absolutely love Eklund but I think he’s a similar tier of prospect as Reinbacher and you take the 6’2” RHD over the 5’10” LW every time.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I think Montreal can draft what they need this year.

That’s not my point. Everyone says Eklund is untouchable. This is an example of a trade I would make involving Eklund.

What if Lindstrom is gone by 5. There is not another C until Helenius who might be available at 14.

 

[one2gamble]

I’d do either. Again, I absolutely love Eklund but I think he’s a similar tier of prospect as Reinbacher and you take the 6’2” RHD over the 5’10” LW every time.

I feel like this would be painful but also the right choice every single time

 

[Juxtaposer]

I feel like this would be painful but also the right choice every single time

Exactly. It would hurt me where I live to trade Eklund, plus he’s a really freaking good hockey player, but I also really like Reinbacher and he’s exactly the type of player we need.

 

[ChompChomp]

He is better off there than the NHL where he's not remotely ready to be right now. Let him go back to junior and play on the WJC team and round things out more. It's not a perfect situation, but it's better than the NHL where he's taking a roster spot to ride the bench more often than not.

Warsofsky isn't some magic bullet of development that can override the need for a player to be given the right amount of time to mature and develop. Musty is realistically 2 years away from the NHL. Stinks that he can't test himself more in the AHL, but those are the rules (and I doubt he wants to go play in Europe on loan for a year). Play this year in juniors as a 19 year old and then play a year with the Cuda as a 20 year old and maybe make the NHL as a 21 year old.

That is still a super ambitious development plan for a late 1st rounder, and anything ahead of that would be pretty staggering based on historical evidence.

You are so hyper concerned that going to the NHL right now will ruin him, when it seems to be that he's not getting what he needs to get from Sudbury, per the Sharks organization themselves. Yeah, historically, you let these guys play juniors until they turn 20, then AHL, then NHL, but I'm just suggesting that Musty might be a different case, especially since the Sharks can't control which OHL team he plays for. (I agree a loan to Europe doesn't make much sense) And it seems like the Sharks themselves might think his D+2 year being in Sudbury is going to be a waste. It also seems like the Grier Sharks are doing things differently than how teams have done them historically, so they might open to something different than just telling Musty that no matter what, you're going back to Sudbury for 24-25, then Cuda for 25-26, and maybe Sharks 26-27.

 

[gaucholoco3]

You are so hyper concerned that going to the NHL right now will ruin him, when it seems to be that he's not getting what he needs to get from Sudbury, per the Sharks organization themselves. Yeah, historically, you let these guys play juniors until they turn 20, then AHL, then NHL, but I'm just suggesting that Musty might be a different case, especially since the Sharks can't control which OHL team he plays for. (I agree a loan to Europe doesn't make much sense) And it seems like the Sharks themselves might think his D+2 year being in Sudbury is going to be a waste. It also seems like the Grier Sharks are doing things differently than how teams have done them historically, so they might open to something different than just telling Musty that no matter what, you're going back to Sudbury for 24-25, then Cuda for 25-26, and maybe Sharks 26-27.

An example they could start him with the Sharks. Slow play him by playing him 9 of the first 20 games. Maybe find a way to give him a conditioning assignment with the Cuda that can push him till WJC camp. Then after the WJC if he hasn’t shown enough send him back to juniors (maybe Sudbury will be convinced to trade him by then).

 

[ChompChomp]

An example they could start him with the Sharks. Slow play him by playing him 9 of the first 20 games. Maybe find a way to give him a conditioning assignment with the Cuda that can push him till WJC camp. Then after the WJC if he hasn’t shown enough send him back to juniors (maybe Sudbury will be convinced to trade him by then).

I'm not a CBA expert, but I don't think that's possible. I think many of us expect he'll get 9 games this season, but then who knows after that. I just don't think they have the ability to send him to the Cuda at all, even for a conditioning assignment.

 

[Cas]

Now would you trade Eklund for Reinbacher straight up?

We are way too far away from being in a position to trade our only young, proven NHL-quality player for a question mark.

 

[Cas]

I'm not a CBA expert, but I don't think that's possible. I think many of us expect he'll get 9 games this season, but then who knows after that. I just don't think they have the ability to send him to the Cuda at all, even for a conditioning assignment.

It is possible to send a CHL player to the AHL for a conditioning assignment. Seattle did it with Wright.

 

[Hodge]

Why not sign Dylan Holloway to a 1-year, $4.5 million offer sheet?

Compensation would only be a 2nd. Doubt the Oilers can afford to match. I thought he played great in the playoffs and might be on the verge of a serious breakout. 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Why not sign Dylan Holloway to a 1-year, $4.5 million offer sheet?

Compensation would only be a 2nd. Doubt the Oilers can afford to match. I thought he played great in the playoffs and might be on the verge of a serious breakout. 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft.

Even $2.29 million would be a difficult contract for them to fit and is only a 3rd round pick.

 

[STL Shark]

Why not sign Dylan Holloway to a 1-year, $4.5 million offer sheet?

Compensation would only be a 2nd. Doubt the Oilers can afford to match. I thought he played great in the playoffs and might be on the verge of a serious breakout. 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft.

25 points in 115 NHL games is why I would not do that. Same reason I would not trade a 1st rounder for Jesse P or Nils Lundkvist.

That 2nd rounder is going to be in 2025 where we will likely be inside the 33-36 range and that is way too rich for a guy with his stat line that is a 4th liner right now (hits and chases plays to lay the body but isn't doing much on the scoresheet otherwise).

He also is just not worth causing NHL GM drama over when we're going to have our own guys that teams can play offer sheet shenanigans with in the future. Could probably toss them a 3rd and Bordeleau and then sign him to a reasonable deal (like the 1 year $1M that he's projected at currently).

If you want to take him as part of the sweetener package to absorb Campbell's cap hit, then I'm not saying he's totally worthless. He just isn't all that good outside of what his draft slot was 4 years ago in a pandemic draft.