Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Stewie Griffin]

I think Musty very well could--and maybe should--be with the Sharks next year. The production this year is obviously really important, but there's also his size and strength. He might be young next season with his 19th birthday this summer, but not all 19-year-olds are created equally. With that in mind, it might be better for him to be with the Sharks next season than for Will Smith to be in the NHL, since Smith could struggle more physically.

And I can't help but think that keeping Musty all the way through training camp and seeing how he'd do in preseason games this season was a tease for this coming season. Anyway, he wouldn't have to play all 82 games; he could be used like Leo Carlsson, sitting out to rest/watch occasionally, and they could let him go play in the WJC on top of that. I think if he gets his nine game trial to start the year he's going to make it clear that this is the best path for his development.

The other option could be to follow the Jason Robertson development for Musty. They're similar...big scoring guys who aren't the fastest, were drafted late 1st/early 2nd, and while they're big...aren't necessarily extremely physical. Robertson dominated the OHL for 2 years after being drafted and then still played a full season in the AHL. By then he put up 45 points in 51 NHL games and has been a stud ever since.

 

[timorous me]

The other option could be to follow the Jason Robertson development for Musty. They're similar...big scoring guys who aren't the fastest, were drafted late 1st/early 2nd, and while they're big...aren't necessarily extremely physical. Robertson dominated the OHL for 2 years after being drafted and then still played a full season in the AHL. By then he put up 45 points in 51 NHL games and has been a stud ever since.

I certainly wouldn't complain if things worked out similarly for Musty! I do wonder a bit, though--even in just the 5-6 years since then, have perspectives changed a bit around the league in terms of getting young talent into the NHL earlier than then?

 

[Barrie22]

I certainly wouldn't complain if things worked out similarly for Musty! I do wonder a bit, though--even in just the 5-6 years since then, have perspectives changed a bit around the league in terms of getting young talent into the NHL earlier than then?

Some teams have changed in terms of younger players in general, and then others are/were stuck in the old ways.

Can't say where the Sharks are now, they have yet to sign one of the top prospects to a NHL contract after the ELC. But most top teams have moved away from the bridge contract and signing the young players to long term deals right away, and Wilson when he was with the team was still stuck in the bridge younger players and then long term after that.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Tw1ster]

“I don’t wanna hear you have this guy coming up and that guy coming up and this guy coming up”

Literally a huge part of a proper rebuild are those guys coming up. He’s right though, maybe we should have extended Meier for 8 years and kept Hertl

 

[Jargon]

This seems pretty bizarre to me. Two people who seem like they barely have any knowledge of the Sharks.

We now have a highly rated prospect pool, 4 1st round picks in the next 2 drafts, and are likely going to get a top 3 pick this year.

We have a few guys who will graduate next year and be able to play in the league.

We have a ton of cap space to get some vets.

Like obviously we’re not competing next year, but I feel like this is a pretty textbook rebuild, no?

 

[Barrie22]

But some how i am sure that the Blackhawks way is the perfect way and the model of how to rebuild.

 

[Jargon]

“I don’t wanna hear you have this guy coming up and that guy coming up and this guy coming up”

Literally a huge part of a proper rebuild are those guys coming up. He’s right though, maybe we should have extended Meier for 8 years and kept Hertl

Listen, he has an opinion and he wants to hear none of those ridiculous facts!

 

[Jargon]

Honestly, the amount of shit Grier gets by the general hockey people is really starting to grate on me. The jury is still out, but he’s done an exceptional job in a terrible situation and I want him to turn this thing around and rub it in all of their dumb faces.

 

[Barrie22]

Honestly, the amount of shit Grier gets by the general hockey people is really starting to grate on me. The jury is still out, but he’s done an exceptional job in a terrible situation and I want him to turn this thing around and rub it in all of their dumb faces.

It could have something to do with being a first in the NHL.

 

[LadyStanley]

And perhaps not talking to the usual "Insiders" or doing things the way they've been done before

 

[Juxtaposer]

More noise. “I don’t care about the prospect pool and pile of futures the Sharks have, the rebuild is a failure because the Sharks are terrible in the first year they tore it down and don’t have any good players”. Absolutely wild how many absolutely moronic people have a platform to share their opinions in public.

Frankly, I’d prefer that Sheng not give these guys the engagement. He doesn’t seem like the type to rage-bait Sharks fans (like Kurz was), so I don’t get this retweet.

 

[sharski]

i fully support media talking heads being critical of a franchise being terrible when it's the truth, but the sharks have become one of the whipping boys of the media out of nowhere lol

if they're still a bottom 5 team and not trending upwards in 3 years, then it'd be fair to call the rebuild a disaster, but they're in like year 2 of a post worst-salary-cap-situation-in-the-league-and-its-not-even-close situation

 

[coooldude]

Outrage generates clicks. None of us would be that interested if Lucky Pierre said "the tear down is going well and now he has to build it back up." BOOOOO-RING.

 

[Mafoofoo]

Grier just needs to turn off the salary cap, change the difficulty to rookie and sign every free agent rated above 84, and trade all the picks for 90+ overall players. That or buy a ton of NHL coins or whatever they call it now and raise all the player stats to 99

 

[Coily]

Grier just needs to turn off the salary cap, change the difficulty to rookie and sign every free agent rated above 84, and trade all the picks for 90+ overall players. That or buy a ton of NHL coins or whatever they call it now and raise all the player stats to 99

Last time I played if you made good moves you unlocked more phones.

Right now Mike is on the teletype; such a shame.

 

[DG93]

 

[LilLeeroy]

Honestly, the amount of shit Grier gets by the general hockey people is really starting to grate on me. The jury is still out, but he’s done an exceptional job in a terrible situation and I want him to turn this thing around and rub it in all of their dumb faces.

Imagine getting so many insults thrown at you because the guy who had the job before you was a total buffoon.

 

[Barrie22]

Grier has been a GM for not even 2 full offseasons, took a team that was under 1 million under the cap ceiling, and hadn't made the playoffs in 3 seasons. And before season 2 even happened he was being called out for being a bad GM with no direction. But yet GM's of the Sabres (the dozen or so they have had in the past 20 years of there rebuild) has never once been called out about being bad and the rebuild being a failure.

 

[Jargon]

It could have something to do with being a first in the NHL.

It certainly makes one wonder.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Honestly, that guy who is hosting seems even dumber than Pierre. "What rebuild?" Im sorry, what is back to back bottom 4 finishes, plus Eklund at 7th overall, and collecting 1st round picks and trading stars for top prosepects if not a rebuild? Contending?

They make us seem like Calgary just perpetually missing playoffs by 6 points

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Pierre McGuire doesn’t know Sharks hockey from Adam…Things aren’t good now and it remains to be seen if they’ll be better down the road but I think was Grier has done to re construct the foundation has been awesome. The picks and the prospects matter. We have a strong cupboard of players that have the potential to be instrumental pieces for the future.

 

[Bizz]

Pierre McGuire is right.

 

[hohosaregood]

Clearly Sheng agrees with them

 

[Bizz]

Grier has been a GM for not even 2 full offseasons, took a team that was under 1 million under the cap ceiling, and hadn't made the playoffs in 3 seasons. And before season 2 even happened he was being called out for being a bad GM with no direction. But yet GM's of the Sabres (the dozen or so they have had in the past 20 years of there rebuild) has never once been called out about being bad and the rebuild being a failure.

The Sabres' GMs are notorious for being terrible