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No, he doesn't. Hitting .251 (OBPing .331, which is the stat that actually matters as a leadoff hitter), OPSing .795, 18 HRs (3rd on the team behind Vlad and Chapman) 2.4 accumulated fWAR (4th among Jays hitters behind Vladdy, Kirk, and Chapman), plays excellent defence.

He's not having a great season by his usual offensive standards, but a subpar Springer is still a very good player. You just flat out suck as an analyst. Not everything can be expressed as a stupid barstool hot take. "OMG his batting average sucks because he's a leadoff hitter!" is the most reductively meaningless bad faith argument you could muster.
You know what I mean though. Bang for the buck, he sucks. Injuries on top of poor numbers on top of a disgusting about of money he makes. I don’t see anything positive at all. His defense has been solid yes.

Shatkins should have done more to upgrade the pen at the deadline.

Just not good enough to compete for the WS.
Rinse and repeat for 2 years now: Sad.
 
Honestly no one should be shocked that our BP not only lacks depth, we have an injury, and it’s now killing us in games… who’s to blame? Atkins.


The BP sure isn’t keeping us in games though
It did yesterday, the bad defense late and inability to score runs with the bases loaded with 1 out was why we lost.
 
You know what I mean though. Bang for the buck, he sucks. Injuries on top of poor numbers on top of a disgusting about of money he makes. I don’t see anything positive at all. His defense has been solid yes.

:laugh: You can't even stay consistent with your own argument. "you don't see anything positive at all" then immediately say he's been solid defensively.

And good god, you have to be purposefully, willfully, intentionally oblivious to say that he's had "poor numbers."

Last year he was probably at top 20 OF and top 2-3 CF in all of baseball. This year, yes he's not as good. But "not as good" George Springer is still very good. Like still top 20 OF and probably top 7-8 in CF. I swear your entire argument about his offence sucking is based on the fact that he has a low(ish) batting average while he hits leadoff, which ignores that a) If you're going to pick one stat to hitch your wagon to when evaluating a player's impactful ability, batting average is probably the worst one not named "RBIs" and b) the idea that your leadoff man exists entirely to get on base (which you should be evaluating via OBP and not batting average since that's explicitly what OBP is.) is narrow and misses the fact that players provide value in a lot of ways. Springer has been an MVP candidate almost exclusively hitting leadoff for his career. And that's fine. He's not less than simply for not being someone like the massively overrated Ben Revere.

Watching you argue a point is like listening to every random person that calls into Jays Talk after the game, 12 sheets to the wind, screaming that the day this franchise ruined its future FOREVER was the time they traded Hank Blalock to the Rangers for Esteban Loaiza (for those of you following along, I know exactly what I wrote regarding this trade and the thing you're most likely looking at regarding it was, in fact, intentional) and that this team needs to just make a bunch of random lopsided trades because he did them on his roster-updated copy of Ken Griffey Jr Baseball for the SNES and has won 10 world series in a row because of them.

You don't make cogent points. You don't even appear to try to make cogent points. And I'm not even sure if you're aware of how completely awful your arguments are because most of them look for all the world like they're little more than (possibly) drunken angry tantrums with all the self-awareness of a kid having a meltdown in the aisle of a Toys R Us because your mom promised you could have a toy after your doctor's appointment and you don't want the GI Joe figure. You want the 5,000 piece Lego police station and don't care that it costs $200 because you want it in the screechiest way possible.

Or... tl;dr

 
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You know what I mean though. Bang for the buck, he sucks. Injuries on top of poor numbers on top of a disgusting about of money he makes. I don’t see anything positive at all. His defense has been solid yes.


Rinse and repeat for 2 years now: Sad.
Incorrect but that won't stop you
 
This game legit was disappointing. They let f***ing Bundy carve them up with his damn breaking ball stuff. They looked clueless. Today, Archer is not that good they have to f***ing pummel him and give Gaus some support.
 
This series has really left a sour taste in my mouth. Hope we can leave with a split.

Looking at the schedule it looks like a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way depending on how you view Baltimore.

Other than 2 Yankees series and one at the Trop it’s basically all Baltimore and bottom feeders
 
The excessive defensive shift bites them in the ass again. Stop with that especially against guys that handle the bat well.
 
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The excessive defensive shift bites them in the ass again. Stop with that especially against guys that handle the bat well.

The Jays have one of the best infield defences in baseball even with Bichette's inconsistency. What's likely happening is that you don't notice the 8/10 times the shift works to their advantage, but since you seemingly don't like shifts the 2/10 times it doesn't work stand out.
 
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So what is Cavan's problem? He looks like he has a nice swing but he can't never put it all together. That was a beautiful double, my question is why can't he do that more often?
 
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So what is Cavan's problem? He looks like he has a nice swing but he can't never put it all together. That was a beautiful double, my question is why can't he do that more often?

His biggest issue seems to be a lack of aggressiveness at the plate. He's basically too patient, allowing pitchers to throw him strikes he doesn't swing at and get ahead of him because he's waiting for the perfect/specific pitch. And because he doesn't have elite bat-to-ball skills like, say, Kirk, he can't make the most of the few times he does swing, leading to him striking out a lot.

Seriously, his profile is weird:

Lowest swing rate of any regular/semi-regular on the team (excluding Zimmer and Collins). The only person close to him is Kirk

Bottom 3-5 contact rate (once again excluding Zimmer and Collins). Teoscar, Springer, and Chapman are below him, but they are all more "threatening" hitters.

Highest rate of pitches in the zone outside of Moreno's brief audition.

Highest rate of called strikes on the team (again outside of Moreno)

Top 5 fly ball rate with the lowest HR/FB.

4th best OBP on the team. Best walk rate on the team. 4th worst K rate.

He swings like a patient, bat control guy but he doesn't have great bat control/contact skill. He makes contact like a power hitter but he has good, not great power.

He gets attacked by pitchers who know he doesn't swing/doesn't make tons of contact, but he continues to not swing or adjust his approach.

Obviously you can't change too much about what he does or it'll hurt him (his value is that he takes a boatload of walks and is generally very good at not getting himself out in spite of the big strikeout numbers) but it likely means he's always going to be a bit frustrating when he teases with good doubles and the occasional dinger before he goes hitless in his next 20 PAs with 5 walks scattered in there.
 
This Minny team reminds me of KC in 2015. No major stars and pedestrian starters, but elite BP and lots of pesky hitters.
 
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i want to see biggio put on 20 lbs of weight he looks like he's getting thinner each game. extra muscele mass might make his warning track shots go a extra couple feet. if he's going to continue to try and hit like bagwell and his uppercut swing he needs to bulk up
 
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