trellaine201
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Berrios is like a number 3 pitcher. We need an upgrade during the playoffs. Assuming we make it.
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SDig14
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A lot of it seems to be poor fastball command. Not getting ahead of hitters and bit locating at all and getting hit really hard. His changeup and slider play well off a good fastball but it has only been there a couple times this season.
Combination of a drop in fastball Velo, command and way less swings and misses.
His fastball has fallen off which has led to him relying on his other pitches more which has led to the ball getting crushed.
Honestly hard to say who is wprse kikuchi or berrios. Both have negative war. But berrios makes 5 mil more. 51 million on 3 starters in ryu,berrios and kikuchi and each are negative value
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SDig14
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Management tied a lot into Berrios and Kikuchi and both have been horrendous this year.
At this stage, I almost have more confidence in Kikuchi figuring it out because at least his stuff misses bats.
At this stage, I almost have more confidence in Kikuchi figuring it out because at least his stuff misses bats.
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The Kikuchi deal was dumb from the outset. No one is going to argue that. 3 years for a guy who had a grand total of a half season of good pitching is just..no, man
The Berrios deal I won't blame Shatkins for. The guy was one of the most consistently reliable starters in the majors before he signed that deal and was even good for the Jays last year. His dropoff was essentially out of nowhere.
The Berrios deal I won't blame Shatkins for. The guy was one of the most consistently reliable starters in the majors before he signed that deal and was even good for the Jays last year. His dropoff was essentially out of nowhere.
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I'm worried we might see a visit to dr.andrews soon. Berrios has been solid for so long that this is definitely out of character to be this bad.
At the very least it might be wise to give him a few weeks off to make some adjustments.
I think I'd have more confidence in Ricky Tiedemann right now than Kikuchi or Berrios
At the very least it might be wise to give him a few weeks off to make some adjustments.
I think I'd have more confidence in Ricky Tiedemann right now than Kikuchi or Berrios
I had the same thought. People bagged on Ryu for his drop off but suddenly got real quiet once it came out he needed surgery.
Weirdly enough he had the same issues Berrios is having: drop in velo, loss of break and command in general
I am thinking this as well. He's been incredibly consistent throughout his career and he's been way off this year.
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I'd start with getting rid of Montoya and Walker first
When the Jays have to score 9 runs to win a road game they'll be hard pressed to grab a wild-card spot with the status quo coaching and managing
trellaine201
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Question: do you think we have underachieved so far? I think the hype was for this team to have more wins at this point. I sure thought we would have.
I think we have overachieved a bit, to be honest. If the pitching doesn't turn around quickly, I think the team will start to free fall.
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