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Blue Jays GDT: 2022 v2 | Thu, Apr 21 | @ BOS | 1:30pm ET/10:30am PT | Gausman vs Houck

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Bluelines said:
A manager can identify when the pitcher has lost control of the game and get him out of the game way before it gets to 6 - 6, stop the other teams momentum. Some managers think its better for the pitcher to work through his problems so he becomes self reliant vs the manager coming in and pulling the pitcher when the other team is on a rallye. Personally I think it damages a pitchers confidence when you leave him in there too long.
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Ryu has been around a long time. I don't think damaging his confidence is a priority there.

Also, once they pulled Ryu, the pen proceeded to allow 6 more runs. You think if Ryu had allowed just 3-4 runs and been pulled earlier the pen somehow would have done better?
Bluelines said:
I agree there is no guarantee that Tapia puts down a successful bunt, no guarantee that if he did and the runners advance to 2nd and 3rd that they would score. What it does do is it changes the mindset of the pitcher and catcher, that catcher BTW is Boston's 3rd stringer just called up, their top 2 are on Covid protocol.
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If it's about "changing the mindset", then just showing bunt accomplishes the same thing. Not sure how Boston having a third stringer in changes anything unless he's a defensive liability.
Bluelines said:
If you believe that Charlie was letting a guy with a .200 BA and a .200 OBP just swing away at the plate, is that not a bit of incompetence? You let a guy who has proven to you he cannot get on base , swing away?
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I haven't been impressed with Tapia either, but if you think he's "proven" anything so far with the Jays, we're just never going to agree. I would be far more concerned about a manager who makes up his mind about a player based on the first 25 plate appearances he sees.
Bluelines said:
How did his AB help the team? For marginal players, managers should be able to manage them better than what we witnessed last night.
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It didn't help the team, obviously. How did Espinal striking out in the next AB help the team? How did Springer flying out after that help the team? Should they have done something different?

As a manager, you play the odds. It's possible that just trying to get a run there would have worked out, but playing for one run in the 4th inning of a tie game on the road strikes me as a particularly awful strategy, even if one of your weaker hitters is at the plate.
 
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Discoverer said:
Ryu has been around a long time. I don't think damaging his confidence is a priority there.

Also, once they pulled Ryu, the pen proceeded to allow 6 more runs. You think if Ryu had allowed just 3-4 runs and been pulled earlier the pen somehow would have done better?

If it's about "changing the mindset", then just showing bunt accomplishes the same thing. Not sure how Boston having a third stringer in changes anything unless he's a defensive liability.

I haven't been impressed with Tapia either, but if you think he's "proven" anything so far with the Jays, we're just never going to agree. I would be far more concerned about a manager who makes up his mind about a player based on the first 25 plate appearances he sees.

It didn't help the team, obviously. How did Espinal striking out in the next AB help the team? How did Springer flying out after that help the team? Should they have done something different?

As a manager, you play the odds. It's possible that just trying to get a run there would have worked out, but playing for one run in the 4th inning of a tie game on the road strikes me as a particularly awful strategy, even if one of your weaker hitters is at the plate.
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Why leave Ryu in? Why allow the pen to stay in for 6 runs?

What do you think the emotions running through a the head of a guy just called up were? Catching a guy who has that much movement?

If Tapia has not proven anything 7 games in, then why is Biggio riding the bench because of his poor batting? you can make conclusions off a small subset.

How did Espinal help the team, every pitcher in the league is on a pitch count, I think they said one guy has gone more than 100 pitches. everyone else less than 100 pitches, Espinal had 11 pitches, do you think taking up 1/10th of a pitches pitch count is not helping the team?

Why bring up Springer? Do you think Springer and Tapia are equals in the batters box? Has Springer not shown enough for you to think him taking a swing is the right thing to do?

You think in a game where its cold and the ball is not flying its a poor decisions to try to manufacture runs?
 
Bluelines said:
Why leave Ryu in? Why allow the pen to stay in for 6 runs?

What do you think the emotions running through a the head of a guy just called up were? Catching a guy who has that much movement?

If Tapia has not proven anything 7 games in, then why is Biggio riding the bench because of his poor batting? you can make conclusions off a small subset.

How did Espinal help the team, every pitcher in the league is on a pitch count, I think they said one guy has gone more than 100 pitches. everyone else less than 100 pitches, Espinal had 11 pitches, do you think taking up 1/10th of a pitches pitch count is not helping the team?

Why bring up Springer? Do you think Springer and Tapia are equals in the batters box? Has Springer not shown enough for you to think him taking a swing is the right thing to do?

You think in a game where its cold and the ball is not flying its a poor decisions to try to manufacture runs?
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- I don't know what you're arguing about Ryu anymore. Ryu sucked and the pen sucked in that game. It didn't matter what Montoyo did... it wasn't going to change the result unless it magically made the bullpen better, and they had already used their top arms in the previous two games.

- Wong caught Eovaldi multiple times last year. Meh.

- I don't like how little playing time Biggio has had so far. I think that's a bad decision by Montoyo.

- At what point does an at bat go long enough to provide "value"? Because Tapia faced 7 pitches in his at bat (also a good at bat and taxing on the pitcher) and the result was the same.

- I brought up Springer because you asked what Tapia accomplished in his at bat as if that's evidence that he should have done something different. And he accomplished the same thing as Espinal and Springer that inning, so I'm curious if they should have done something different as well.

- In general, I love manufacturing runs as long as it doesn't involve giving away outs to a struggling pitcher in the 4th inning of a tied game.

A lot of this strikes me as you having already decided it was a bad decision (and that's fine, I just disagree) and then looking for points to back it up. But whatever, it ultimately doesn't matter because, as I mentioned, the team (including Tapia, but also including a lot of more important players) failing to convert on several scoring chances and then Bo throwing away what ultimately became the winning run had WAY more impact than anything Montoyo could have done short of bringing in Zimmer to pitch or something.
 
Gurriel Bo and Kirk need to step up
Tapia - not fomd of guys who jog down to first especially when trying to make an impression
Rootin for Cavan
 
Tuttle said:
Gurriel Bo and Kirk need to step up
Tapia - not fomd of guys who jog down to first especially when trying to make an impression
Rootin for Cavan
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Yeah I was surprised to see a depth outfielder slowly trot to first on ground balls. Those types of guys especially should be busting their you know what's down the line. Especially when speed is their biggest weapon.
 
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I almost don't hate that lineup because separating Kirk and Tapia means the Sox get 3 less double plays per game.

Charlie's got no options even if that lineup is stupid. Tapia sucks, Biggio is scared of swinging and I'm not even sure why they bothered trading for Zimmer.

Once Teoscar is back (which I imagine had to be soon-ish) things should be better
 
SedintoHorvat said:
People missing Grich yet I am. Tapia hasn't done anything expected more from him but not playing this much more in defensive and base threat role.
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No because Grichuk will revert to being below average once the calender says its June.

Can't wait for the people to rave about his great season after he puts up 30 home runs while batting .220 with an OPS of 720 because Coors
 
Blitzkrug said:
I almost don't hate that lineup because separating Kirk and Tapia means the Sox get 3 less double plays per game.

Charlie's got no options even if that lineup is stupid. Tapia sucks, Biggio is scared of swinging and I'm not even sure why they bothered trading for Zimmer.

Once Teoscar is back (which I imagine had to be soon-ish) things should be better
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Zimmer is essentially Dyson (speed and D). The problem is that Tapia is a worse version of that but is playing every day.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
No because Grichuk will revert to being below average once the calender says its June.

Can't wait for the people to rave about his great season after he puts up 30 home runs while batting .220 with an OPS of 720 because Coors
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Considering that were paying the difference in salary between him and Tapia I believe? I'd rather have Grich and yes he'd probably be around 700 again in Toronto but Tapia will be 600 if were lucky and I doubt he gets that.
 
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Considering that were paying the difference in salary between him and Tapia I believe? I'd rather have Grich and yes he'd probably be around 700 again in Toronto but Tapia will be 600 if were lucky and I doubt he gets that.
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The Jays pay the difference this year, save a bit of money next year, and get an interesting prospect out of it.

I still have no problem with the trade, even though Tapia has looked awful so far.
 
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Discoverer said:
The Jays pay the difference this year, save a bit of money next year, and get an interesting prospect out of it.

I still have no problem with the trade, even though Tapia has looked awful so far.
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Forgot about the prospect oh well hopefully Hernandez back soon enough and Biggio finds his confidence. Then the rest can go back to the bench for odd games.
 
I’m just gonna say it:

Re-signing Berrios to that contract may be a huge mistake. Spins a lot of balls right into the hitting plane.
 
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