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Sometimes the old school 'back in my day' soapboxes are dumb. The complaining from guys who had to bunt 85 mph fastballs in 1976 about guys today trying to bunt 100 with movement is ridiculous.

But Buck is exactly right here. It should literally be the easiest thing in the world to sprint 90 feet out of the batters box on the 2 or 3 occasions/night when you put a ball in play.

George Brett! *drink*
 
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The Nemesis said:
The fact that the Jays have only had 5 hits and 0 walks is the reason they're losing.
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I'm not going to blame Bichette for the dropped pop up (I think that's more on Springer) but that mistake cost the team a run and the baserunning mistakes in the last inning cost the team at least one run (Guerrero would have been on 2nd with one out).

Dumb mistakes have turned a 4-3 (or maybe 4-4) game into a 5-2 game.
 
Northernguy10 said:
Some of these young fellers have a lot of talent but unfortunately their mental approach to the game is lacking.
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yeah this is not a team of pros, unfortunately. pros win in the playoffs.
The Nemesis said:
You know what's more him beating you? hits and HRs. How many more runs would they have scored if he'd collected a homer and a couple of doubles?
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he's leading off tonight... his job is to get on base. we're playing right into their hand by not challenging him on a full count three times. IF is the operative word in your post. he's not a God that will crush every 3-2 fastball out of the park. Make him earn it, stop worrying about being the "answer to a trivia question", as Gausman put it.
 
Last night would have been a great time for Schneider to send a message to Teo (and the rest of the team). After he pimped that double off the wall..... send JBJ out there to pinch run.

The one thing players will understand is losing playing time.
 
The Nemesis said:
The fact that the Jays have only had 5 hits and 0 walks is the reason they're losing.
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Yet they're only down by 3 and Bichette cost the Jays a run with his running error and gave the Yankees at least 2 runs with his throwing and catching error in the field.

So, yes. You can definitely make the argument that the Jays are single handedly losing because of Bichette.
 
TIGERCOOL said:
yeah this is not a team of pros, unfortunately. pros win in the playoffs.

he's leading off tonight... his job is to get on base. we're playing right into their hand by not challenging him on a full count three times. IF is the operative word in your post. he's not a God that will crush every 3-2 fastball out of the park. Make him earn it, stop worrying about being the "answer to a trivia question", as Gausman put it.
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He's leading off because he's by far the best bat in the lineup and modern baseball ethos is to bat your best guys at the top of the lineup to get them as many plate appearances as possible. His job is to generate runs however he can, and the biggest way he's going to do that is if he gets hits that can drive guys in, especially HRs.

This is not the 1980s where you make a lineup with the goal of "leadoff guy gets on base, 2nd guy moves him over, #3 drives him in, and cleanup swings a big stick to go for the HR."

And they are making him earn it.

1st inning: lined out on a full count (6 pitches)
3rd inning: walked on a full count (6 pitches)
5th inning: walked on a full count (6 pitches)
6th inning: walked on a full count (8 pitches)
7th inning: walked on a full count (7 pitches)

There were no cheap walks in there. No instances of 4 pitches flipped up 3 feet from the zone because they wanted no part of him. They pitched him hard, tried to make him earn it, and he battled long enough to work the walk.

It's fine. They can't walk everyone and can't hand out walks like free candy, but when it's easily the single most dangerous part of their lineup, that's fine.
 
Another walk to Judge. Four on the night. He already scored two runs now bases are loaded. I'd wear a brown paper bag in the dugout as the whole world watches the Jays tremble against a guy they will get out 7 times out of 10 if they chwllenge him.

Call me old school, but I'm not going out like that if I am a pitcher or a franschise. It's Bush League to avoid a guy every at bat.
 
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mikeyz said:
Yet they're only down by 3 and Bichette cost the Jays a run with his running error and gave the Yankees at least 2 runs with his throwing and catching error in the field.

So, yes. You can definitely make the argument that the Jays are single handedly losing because of Bichette.
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Down by 3 runs.

Bichette has allegedly cost the team 2 runs

So.... they would still be losing if you got those runs back. Ergo it's not single-handedly Bichette's fault. It's absoultey partially his fault, but it's silly to try and conflate it with being all his fault except that people are angry and that's when it's popular to find a singular scapegoat because 1 person being responsible is better for shouldering blame than a complicated mess of moving parts.
 
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Langdon Alger said:
I’m sorry, what?
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Jeter was an awful defender. It was just mostly disguised by the fact that his awfulness mostly manifested as an extreme lack of range (so instead of getting to difficult balls and failing to make hte play, he'd just plain never get to it and it'd end up in shallow left-center) and that he had enough occasional highlight reel plays (some of which were hugely overrated) to make people think he was great. Plus he got all sorts of nonsense damning-with-faint-praise kudos like "he makes all the plays he should" which is just a nice way of saying "he makes the plays that no reasonable shortstop should ever screw up"
 
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