2022 NHL Draft Grade - Winnipeg Jets
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2022 NHL Draft Grades: Analyzing All 32 Teams' Draft Classes - FloHockey
Chris Peters hands out his draft grades for all 32 NHL teams.
A-
I'm giving it a B. I generally liked most of our picks but there are some things I didn't agree with.
- I thought we played it a bit safe with McGroarty.
- Took a big swing with Lambert which is a good risk to take at 30
- Thought we really wasted the a pick with Brown
-The rest were good picks where they were made imo.
- I thought we played it a bit safe with McGroarty.
- Took a big swing with Lambert which is a good risk to take at 30
- Thought we really wasted the a pick with Brown
-The rest were good picks where they were made imo.
WolfHouse
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I would have taken Miroschienko but McGroarty is fine... the picks after us are nothing that blows my mind
Would have rather seen Chevy package a pick or picks and make a trade
Aside from Miro there wasn't a whole lot in this draft that made me go wow for any team
Would have rather seen Chevy package a pick or picks and make a trade
Aside from Miro there wasn't a whole lot in this draft that made me go wow for any team
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I'll go with an A, admittedly I'd never heard of Rutger McGroarty but the more I watch him play and read everything people say about him I see shades of Shane Doan (fingers crossed). Great offensive numbers, not the most fleet of foot but a guy that competes and is loved in the dressing room.
Lambert I love, I remember watching the WJC and saying many times he was the best player on the ice in many of his games while being one of the youngest players. The way he commands the wall on the power play and always skates with his head up while at top speed is a pleasure to watch. No wasted movements.
Salomonsson is a good right-shot puck-moving defenceman and even if there isn't a ton of offensive upside, it sounds like he is reasonably responsible in his own end which may mean we see him at some point in the NHL.
Overall I am very happy with this draft, much happier than the last few.
Lambert I love, I remember watching the WJC and saying many times he was the best player on the ice in many of his games while being one of the youngest players. The way he commands the wall on the power play and always skates with his head up while at top speed is a pleasure to watch. No wasted movements.
Salomonsson is a good right-shot puck-moving defenceman and even if there isn't a ton of offensive upside, it sounds like he is reasonably responsible in his own end which may mean we see him at some point in the NHL.
Overall I am very happy with this draft, much happier than the last few.
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I give them a B.
Had they taken Hutson in the second round, they would have received an A.
If Hutson has a small late growth spurt, which has happened in his family apparently, he’s a top 5 talent. Definitely worth the risk in the second round.
Still overall, our prospect pool has rounded out a bit.
Had they taken Hutson in the second round, they would have received an A.
If Hutson has a small late growth spurt, which has happened in his family apparently, he’s a top 5 talent. Definitely worth the risk in the second round.
Still overall, our prospect pool has rounded out a bit.
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Here's my simpleton review:
Jets picked: Rutger McGroarty (LH, C)
Chief would've picked: Joakim Kemell (RH, RW) or Jonathan Lekkerimaki (RH, RW)
I think the team left the "BPA value" on the board by not selecting the two extremely talented European RWs I would've taken, but McGroarty has already won me over with his character and appetite to get better. I hope he gets a ton of time with Barb Underhill and that the Jets development duo and coaching staff stays very far away until his skating has improved. My only issue is that his ceiling looks to be rather low, but represents a very high floor if he can become a better skater - which he has the attitude to do.
Jets picked: Brad Lambert (RH, C/RW)
Chief would've picked: Isaac Howard (LH, LW)
Jets picked a safer floor in McGroarty, and then aimed for extreme upside with Brad Lambert. There's no mistake that this past year for Lambert was pretty bad, and the team change from Jyvaskyla to Lahti was maybe worse. But, there's also no doubt that this guy's skating and speed are literally crazy. I'll be excited to watch him a little more closely in the delayed World Juniour's, and hope that maybe a move over to the WHL (or even AHL?) could get him adjusted to the smaller ice that would necessitate him to expand on his skill set a bit more than just his speed and puck handling to help him with making better decisions with/without the puck - playing against men is usually a good thing, but I think in this case it's better to be in North America sooner than later. If Jets can insulate him in an environment that pumps up his confidence and gets him used to smaller ice, this could be a real gem - but it could just as easily go kaput.
Jets picked: Elias Salomonsson (RH, D)
Chief would've picked: Gleb Trikozov (RH, F), Lane Hutson (LH, D), Adam Sykora (LH, W), Ty Nelson (RH, D), Dave Goyette (LH, C)
I think the team really missed on this pick here, though it follows the pattern of the last two players picked: a solid foundation with pretty-to-real good technical ability(s) with decent room for upside, IF their obvious flaws can be fixed. But I think Salomonsson needs a little more fixing than the last two picks - it's not his technical abilities, but rather his positioning and decision-making, which is always a harder fix to make. Trikozov would've been tremendous value here, Hutson produces despite his size, Sykora's style of game works much better than other picks in this range, and while Nelson slipped down many scouting boards during the season, he still was favoured highly by a lot of projections. Oh - and I almost forgot another faller in Goyette who dropped nearly an entire round in comparison to where most scouts and projection models had him (~pick 32). Either of those five are much more intriguing to me here than what they ended up with.
Jets picked: Danny Zhilkin (LH, C), then Garrett Brown (RH, D)
Chief would've picked: Adam Ingram (LH, F), then Tyler Brennan (LH, G) or Cruz Lucius (RH, RW) or Brandon Lisowsky (LH, F)
Most scouts loved this pick for the Jets as Zhilkin was one of the last few remaining centres on their lists that looked like the foundation was already there for him to remain a centre throughout his career, but I think Adam Ingram had a bit more value, though most of that value might have come from being on the power play earlier on in the season and then plateaued later on - although, maybe you bank on that early season production and hope that he gets used to longer length seasons as he develops. Would've been a cool story to pick a local kid too.
Meanwhile - Garrett Brown doesn't really stand out in any way and seems like a bit of an unknown to both scouts and projections, so at this point I would've aimed for Tyler Brennan who was a faller (and another local story), or even take Chaz's brother who had a respectable season of his own, or Liskowsky as a forward that had interesting-enough production to get noticed highly by the projections, though ranked in this range by the scouts.
Haven't looked into the rest of the picks - overall, I think I'd give the Jets something like a B- or a B? I don't have an issue with the Jets first round even though I don't think they went obvious BPA as they typically do, but their later rounds felt more like relying on scouts going to bat for players who didn't have as-expected draft seasons versus their D-1's - maybe even a bit of drafting for positional need, too. That doesn't hurt all the time, especially in a draft still afflicted by the pandemic where things are a bit more of a crapshoot, but to me it seemed somewhat obvious that there were better bets to be made in the later rounds.
Jets picked: Rutger McGroarty (LH, C)
Chief would've picked: Joakim Kemell (RH, RW) or Jonathan Lekkerimaki (RH, RW)
I think the team left the "BPA value" on the board by not selecting the two extremely talented European RWs I would've taken, but McGroarty has already won me over with his character and appetite to get better. I hope he gets a ton of time with Barb Underhill and that the Jets development duo and coaching staff stays very far away until his skating has improved. My only issue is that his ceiling looks to be rather low, but represents a very high floor if he can become a better skater - which he has the attitude to do.
Jets picked: Brad Lambert (RH, C/RW)
Chief would've picked: Isaac Howard (LH, LW)
Jets picked a safer floor in McGroarty, and then aimed for extreme upside with Brad Lambert. There's no mistake that this past year for Lambert was pretty bad, and the team change from Jyvaskyla to Lahti was maybe worse. But, there's also no doubt that this guy's skating and speed are literally crazy. I'll be excited to watch him a little more closely in the delayed World Juniour's, and hope that maybe a move over to the WHL (or even AHL?) could get him adjusted to the smaller ice that would necessitate him to expand on his skill set a bit more than just his speed and puck handling to help him with making better decisions with/without the puck - playing against men is usually a good thing, but I think in this case it's better to be in North America sooner than later. If Jets can insulate him in an environment that pumps up his confidence and gets him used to smaller ice, this could be a real gem - but it could just as easily go kaput.
Jets picked: Elias Salomonsson (RH, D)
Chief would've picked: Gleb Trikozov (RH, F), Lane Hutson (LH, D), Adam Sykora (LH, W), Ty Nelson (RH, D), Dave Goyette (LH, C)
I think the team really missed on this pick here, though it follows the pattern of the last two players picked: a solid foundation with pretty-to-real good technical ability(s) with decent room for upside, IF their obvious flaws can be fixed. But I think Salomonsson needs a little more fixing than the last two picks - it's not his technical abilities, but rather his positioning and decision-making, which is always a harder fix to make. Trikozov would've been tremendous value here, Hutson produces despite his size, Sykora's style of game works much better than other picks in this range, and while Nelson slipped down many scouting boards during the season, he still was favoured highly by a lot of projections. Oh - and I almost forgot another faller in Goyette who dropped nearly an entire round in comparison to where most scouts and projection models had him (~pick 32). Either of those five are much more intriguing to me here than what they ended up with.
Jets picked: Danny Zhilkin (LH, C), then Garrett Brown (RH, D)
Chief would've picked: Adam Ingram (LH, F), then Tyler Brennan (LH, G) or Cruz Lucius (RH, RW) or Brandon Lisowsky (LH, F)
Most scouts loved this pick for the Jets as Zhilkin was one of the last few remaining centres on their lists that looked like the foundation was already there for him to remain a centre throughout his career, but I think Adam Ingram had a bit more value, though most of that value might have come from being on the power play earlier on in the season and then plateaued later on - although, maybe you bank on that early season production and hope that he gets used to longer length seasons as he develops. Would've been a cool story to pick a local kid too.
Meanwhile - Garrett Brown doesn't really stand out in any way and seems like a bit of an unknown to both scouts and projections, so at this point I would've aimed for Tyler Brennan who was a faller (and another local story), or even take Chaz's brother who had a respectable season of his own, or Liskowsky as a forward that had interesting-enough production to get noticed highly by the projections, though ranked in this range by the scouts.
Haven't looked into the rest of the picks - overall, I think I'd give the Jets something like a B- or a B? I don't have an issue with the Jets first round even though I don't think they went obvious BPA as they typically do, but their later rounds felt more like relying on scouts going to bat for players who didn't have as-expected draft seasons versus their D-1's - maybe even a bit of drafting for positional need, too. That doesn't hurt all the time, especially in a draft still afflicted by the pandemic where things are a bit more of a crapshoot, but to me it seemed somewhat obvious that there were better bets to be made in the later rounds.
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I gave the draft a B, check back in 2-3 years to see if it becomes an A or a D.
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I'd say a B+.
McGroarty wasn't who I expected at 14. I would have went with Lekkerimaki, but can't fault them for trying to get a C.
I would have preferred Hutson at 55. I don't mind Salomonsson at 55, as he could turn into a top 4 D.
I understand the logic of taking Lambert at 30, since he did fall hard, but I still feel they should have taken Chelsey. I knew he'd go early in the 2nd. Rinzel went earlier than I expected, which is whom I would have liked, but Chelsey would have been a nice consolation prize.
I'm expecting there to be issues with Lambert, and wouldn't be surprised if he winds up getting traded at some point in the future. Just kind of a gut instinct. I didn't know much about his dad's meddling until after the selection, and that could bite us big time.
The rest of the picks seemed okay, but I don't know much about them.
McGroarty wasn't who I expected at 14. I would have went with Lekkerimaki, but can't fault them for trying to get a C.
I would have preferred Hutson at 55. I don't mind Salomonsson at 55, as he could turn into a top 4 D.
I understand the logic of taking Lambert at 30, since he did fall hard, but I still feel they should have taken Chelsey. I knew he'd go early in the 2nd. Rinzel went earlier than I expected, which is whom I would have liked, but Chelsey would have been a nice consolation prize.
I'm expecting there to be issues with Lambert, and wouldn't be surprised if he winds up getting traded at some point in the future. Just kind of a gut instinct. I didn't know much about his dad's meddling until after the selection, and that could bite us big time.
The rest of the picks seemed okay, but I don't know much about them.
Seems to me that Chevy moved slightly away from his basic BPA approach to drafting this year. It`s almost like he was focussed on larger bodied C; larger bodied wingers who play the aggressive forecheck game so as to compliment the existing youthful quick but smaller wingers; and of course defenders who were natural RHD. Actually, I think he did very well in his selections the way the draft unfolded.
He seems to always look for players with one or two elite qualities, with maybe a flaw that would potentially work itself out in further development. He is constantly focussing on the player with a higher potential ceiling, rather than one with a more certain higher floor. I like that approach.
Overall, not outstanding, but a very good draft i think.
He seems to always look for players with one or two elite qualities, with maybe a flaw that would potentially work itself out in further development. He is constantly focussing on the player with a higher potential ceiling, rather than one with a more certain higher floor. I like that approach.
Overall, not outstanding, but a very good draft i think.
raideralex99
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I’m not going to grade it because I have not seen them play.
All I got to say because of the last two “Covid”years we are truly going to find out who has the the good scouting teams. Obviously the top 10 don’t count since everybody has them rated high but from 11 to round 7 I’m pretty sure there are some gems in there … let’s hope the Jets found a couple of them.
All I got to say because of the last two “Covid”years we are truly going to find out who has the the good scouting teams. Obviously the top 10 don’t count since everybody has them rated high but from 11 to round 7 I’m pretty sure there are some gems in there … let’s hope the Jets found a couple of them.
Without commenting on your specific choices, I do agree wholeheartedly with the way you characterize Chevy`s approach to the draft. The bolded is especially interesting, altho I would broaden this out to cover the entire draft - not simply the later picks.
I t`s definitely interesting to note that the first four picks this year were all ranked very high in Bob MacKenzies Pre-Season 2022 Rankings.... . Lambert at #3; McGroarty @ 12; Salomonsson@ 14: and Zhilkin @ !7. We basically selected players who fell during their D year for one reason or another.
Will be interesting to see how this turns out.
MardyBum
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Went with A. Was kind of between B and A. Would've went with Kemell but Rutger's personality won me over, and the fact he's already working on his skating with Barb Underhill gives me hope he can turn it into a strength. As Scott Wheeler said just some mechanics and explosiveness he needs to work on iirc.
Lambert could be the best player from this draft in 5 years. Supremely talented. I think if the WJC wasn't cancelled he's gone way before 30 even with his season in Liiga. Scouching did a good job breaking down some of his games and numbers, I don't think it was all on him, a lot seems to be the Pelicans were just an awful fit for him and he also had some bad luck. Some stuff to work on but if he goes to the WHL he's going to destroy it. I wonder if they move him back to C if he goes to the dub.
Salomonsson and Zhilkin were both rated higher than where we picked them, both have some good upside from what I've read/watched so far. Wagner seems to to have some solid upside too. Brown was a head scratcher but I know nothing about him, and a goalie is a goalie.
An A for me mostly because of Lambert.
Lambert could be the best player from this draft in 5 years. Supremely talented. I think if the WJC wasn't cancelled he's gone way before 30 even with his season in Liiga. Scouching did a good job breaking down some of his games and numbers, I don't think it was all on him, a lot seems to be the Pelicans were just an awful fit for him and he also had some bad luck. Some stuff to work on but if he goes to the WHL he's going to destroy it. I wonder if they move him back to C if he goes to the dub.
Salomonsson and Zhilkin were both rated higher than where we picked them, both have some good upside from what I've read/watched so far. Wagner seems to to have some solid upside too. Brown was a head scratcher but I know nothing about him, and a goalie is a goalie.
An A for me mostly because of Lambert.
broc
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i give it a C… not great not bad
I’m not blown away by any of the picks, didnt seem like any steals were made by us
do like the McGroarty pick cuz he seems like a guy with character. Like above I too would’ve picked Isaac with our 2nd first though. hopefully Lambert comes and plays in the CHL and show some dominance to bring some excitement.
2nd rd pick is ho-hum. After that it’s largely a crapshoot.
I’m not blown away by any of the picks, didnt seem like any steals were made by us
do like the McGroarty pick cuz he seems like a guy with character. Like above I too would’ve picked Isaac with our 2nd first though. hopefully Lambert comes and plays in the CHL and show some dominance to bring some excitement.
2nd rd pick is ho-hum. After that it’s largely a crapshoot.
Gave it an 'A' because:
McGroarty addresses a unique need in a power forward player. Wheeler and PLD currently hold that in the top 6 and one or both may on the way out. This is a hot commodity, especially if he has a 'Tkachuk' side to him.
Love the Lambert pick because this is a fertile ground for a player like him to explode; I feel he will flourish in our draft/develop.
Zhilkin is a sneaky good pick. Smooth skater and poised with the puck. He stood out in the game I saw the Storm play and I didn't know who he was. Play centre or defence, that is some nice versatility in a player.
Salomonsson addresses a need in an offensive RHD and if he has a mean steak that is just a real nice add-on. Again, the org's development program is pretty good so if he has a top 4 projection, this is the right place to help him get there.
The rest I do not know about much about but the above address some needs that are going to be up for grabs quite soon. Add in a guy like Lambert has elite level skill....well, the draft turned out pretty nice
McGroarty addresses a unique need in a power forward player. Wheeler and PLD currently hold that in the top 6 and one or both may on the way out. This is a hot commodity, especially if he has a 'Tkachuk' side to him.
Love the Lambert pick because this is a fertile ground for a player like him to explode; I feel he will flourish in our draft/develop.
Zhilkin is a sneaky good pick. Smooth skater and poised with the puck. He stood out in the game I saw the Storm play and I didn't know who he was. Play centre or defence, that is some nice versatility in a player.
Salomonsson addresses a need in an offensive RHD and if he has a mean steak that is just a real nice add-on. Again, the org's development program is pretty good so if he has a top 4 projection, this is the right place to help him get there.
The rest I do not know about much about but the above address some needs that are going to be up for grabs quite soon. Add in a guy like Lambert has elite level skill....well, the draft turned out pretty nice
Joe Hallenback
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I always vote high as possible. These guys are ours now and its up to us to develop them into the quality players that they could possibly become
Tough to rate for any number or reasons. I'm not the biggest follower of prospects so my analysis is pretty simplistic compared to most of those on hear that basically shepherd my knowledge through the draft (thanks to those people immensely). Gave them a B on this as I think there were potentially better picks with the 1st pick and the second round.
McGroarty was pretty much a surprise for sure. But back before I was really on the board a lot the pick of Morrissey was kind of wild too. Scheifele for that matter was also a surprise. If McGroarty hits anywhere near those guys this is a pretty darn good pick. Jets record with the first round pick is pretty good with only really Vesa missing.
I sure did like the kid's enthusiasm though and he seems like quite a character. Natural leader and if he's going to play like a Tkachuk for us then that would be really nice as we haven't had an agitator since Buff retired. Not sure where he'll land up the road. He doesn't really feel like top line at this point based on all the opinions on here, but maybe that's groupthink and disappointment rolled into one. If he rounds into a 50 point 2C with grit and agitation it's a massive win.
Lambert was a swing for the fences no question. Big faller and maybe a big win for the Jets. I will tell ya I was watching him come down and there were echoes of Trouba's face in my mind. The kid was not happy. I'm telling myself, rightly or wrongly, that's a response to the lateness of the draft position more than being taken by the Jets. He definitely seemed better in interviews and during his media stuff. Hope is he bounces back to his early projections but the dad being a meddler is concerning - deja Trouba family again? Once again, letting hope prevail - I don't think the Jets ever gave two poops about daddy Trouba, but the bug can be placed in junior's ear no question. My hope is Lambert works his ass off to prove everyone wrong and then develops some faith to the org. It's a lot of wishful thinking, but a second first late in the round why not?
Salomonssen and Zhilkin I liked both picks, though I think the 2nd round pick could have had more upside, less potential if you get my meaning. I do like Salomonssen after reading about him and if he gets it going then great, if not I see him as equivalent to Stanley but drafted some 30+ picks later. I don't count on him being a top pairing guy ever and if he hits 3rd pairing that's ok based on draft pick. Wasn't Adam Pardy a 1st rounder?
Zhilkin I like and really you're pretty much swinging wildly at that point in the draft. Odds are incredible from him on down on any of them having a substantial NHL career.
I think this will prove to be one of the most interesting drafts of all time based on the impact of Covid on these kids development. I think the Jets patience in the development department will serve them well for this year and next for the kids hit hard by lockdowns. It's basically an anti-Thrasher approach so these kids should have time to simmer on the burner. I'm not expecting any of these kids on the roster for two years absolute bare minimum, probably three for the first rounders and a little longer for the rest so it will be a while.
McGroarty was pretty much a surprise for sure. But back before I was really on the board a lot the pick of Morrissey was kind of wild too. Scheifele for that matter was also a surprise. If McGroarty hits anywhere near those guys this is a pretty darn good pick. Jets record with the first round pick is pretty good with only really Vesa missing.
I sure did like the kid's enthusiasm though and he seems like quite a character. Natural leader and if he's going to play like a Tkachuk for us then that would be really nice as we haven't had an agitator since Buff retired. Not sure where he'll land up the road. He doesn't really feel like top line at this point based on all the opinions on here, but maybe that's groupthink and disappointment rolled into one. If he rounds into a 50 point 2C with grit and agitation it's a massive win.
Lambert was a swing for the fences no question. Big faller and maybe a big win for the Jets. I will tell ya I was watching him come down and there were echoes of Trouba's face in my mind. The kid was not happy. I'm telling myself, rightly or wrongly, that's a response to the lateness of the draft position more than being taken by the Jets. He definitely seemed better in interviews and during his media stuff. Hope is he bounces back to his early projections but the dad being a meddler is concerning - deja Trouba family again? Once again, letting hope prevail - I don't think the Jets ever gave two poops about daddy Trouba, but the bug can be placed in junior's ear no question. My hope is Lambert works his ass off to prove everyone wrong and then develops some faith to the org. It's a lot of wishful thinking, but a second first late in the round why not?
Salomonssen and Zhilkin I liked both picks, though I think the 2nd round pick could have had more upside, less potential if you get my meaning. I do like Salomonssen after reading about him and if he gets it going then great, if not I see him as equivalent to Stanley but drafted some 30+ picks later. I don't count on him being a top pairing guy ever and if he hits 3rd pairing that's ok based on draft pick. Wasn't Adam Pardy a 1st rounder?
Zhilkin I like and really you're pretty much swinging wildly at that point in the draft. Odds are incredible from him on down on any of them having a substantial NHL career.
I think this will prove to be one of the most interesting drafts of all time based on the impact of Covid on these kids development. I think the Jets patience in the development department will serve them well for this year and next for the kids hit hard by lockdowns. It's basically an anti-Thrasher approach so these kids should have time to simmer on the burner. I'm not expecting any of these kids on the roster for two years absolute bare minimum, probably three for the first rounders and a little longer for the rest so it will be a while.
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Who needs a scouting staff. Just send a guy with Bob MacKenzie’s list.
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Perhaps the scouting staff is comprised of a bunch of folks who have McKenzie's list and just shuffle a few names around?
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