Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[tiburon12]

I would bet the house on Quinn playing Zetterlund over Gushchin again next year, and that is the very example of blocking someone's path. I still just find it so odd that Zetterlund needs time to find chemistry but Peterson, Gushchin, Kaut (whose path is also blocked, lol), etc. didn't. I of course have personal beef with him, /s.

Gregor shouldn't be qualified either. Has had enough time to find his chemistry and received an F from the teacher. Clearly was available at the deadline and will get league minimum or a contract in Europe if he isn't QO'd similar to Dahlen and every other single AHL forward that the Sharks have not qo'd even though fans think they'll be superstars. Lindblom needs to go, but he's stuck for another year. Even though they won't be good and don't need to worry about cap, it is of course a better idea to use that cap on younger, already clearly better players that most importantly have already shown improvement and chemistry.

I don't see it that way at all. Gushchin is a scoring winger, Zetterlund is a forechecking 3rd/4th line guy. We don't want Guschin toiling for 8 mins on the 4th line, we want him contributing on the top 2 lines. Similarly, we want Zetterlund in the bottom 6 and definitely not in the top 6. Just because they play the same position doesnt mean they play the same way or fit on lines to the same degree.

I'm beginning to think you're just another "i hate everything about the Sharks" poster who is posting to vent rather than using critical thinking to properly evaluate the situation.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

I don't see it that way at all. Gushchin is a scoring winger, Zetterlund is a forechecking 3rd/4th line guy. We don't want Guschin toiling for 8 mins on the 4th line, we want him contributing on the top 2 lines. Similarly, we want Zetterlund in the bottom 6 and definitely not in the top 6. Just because they play the same position doesnt mean they play the same way or fit on lines to the same degree.

I'm beginning to think you're just another "i hate everything about the Sharks" poster who is posting to vent rather than using critical thinking to properly evaluate the situation.

Don't worry, it isn't me who isn't properly evaluating the situation. If you had happened to use critical thinking before saying this, you'd realize it's all a chain event anyways. Different spots or even positions doesn't mean you can't block players path (saw this with the oilers and the cap situation they had before the playoffs). During his 22 games, Zetterlund did not show a single NHL quality skill. I do not care what he did with the Devils, or what he did in the World Championships. He'll be 24 before the season, and by that point an NHL player has at least one thing noticeable about them. He has nothing. Peterson, for example, only ONE MONTH!!! older, in only 12(!!) games, not only was noticeable almost every single game, but also displayed multiple NHL level qualities already. THAT who is you want on your 3rd/4th line. Sharks had no one good this season, so he was on the 1st/2nd when he should be on the 3rd/4th, but wouldn't have been able to since Zetterlund was there. By keeping Peterson on the 1st/2nd line, obviously, you are taking a spot away from Gushchin. It's like I'm talking to walls with some of you lol.

There's so much discussion about how most of the Barracuda players are 3rd/4th liners, Weisblatt for example, who would be league minimum ELCers for a few years and haven't had a chance to show anything yet but it always gets forgotten in discussions like this. Just so so so odd. Zetterlund is not a Clutterbuck nor will become one, he's a Lane Pederson.

 

[tiburon12]

Don't worry, it isn't me who isn't properly evaluating the situation. If you had happened to use critical thinking before saying this, you'd realize it's all a chain event anyways. Different spots or even positions doesn't mean you can't block players path (saw this with the oilers and the cap situation they had before the playoffs). During his 22 games, Zetterlund did not show a single NHL quality skill. I do not care what he did with the Devils, or what he did in the World Championships. He'll be 24 before the season, and by that point an NHL player has at least one thing noticeable about them. He has nothing. Peterson, for example, only ONE MONTH!!! older, in only 12(!!) games, not only was noticeable almost every single game, but also displayed multiple NHL level qualities already. THAT who is you want on your 3rd/4th line. Sharks had no one good this season, so he was on the 1st/2nd when he should be on the 3rd/4th, but wouldn't have been able to since Zetterlund was there. By keeping Peterson on the 1st/2nd line, obviously, you are taking a spot away from Gushchin. It's like I'm talking to walls with some of you lol.

There's so much discussion about how most of the Barracuda players are 3rd/4th liners, Weisblatt for example, who would be league minimum ELCers for a few years and haven't had a chance to show anything yet but it always gets forgotten in discussions like this. Just so so so odd. Zetterlund is not a Clutterbuck nor will become one, he's a Lane Pederson.

you can continue talking to walls if you want to change the topic to fit your narrative. But yea, let's boast about our critical thinking skills while also saying lines like "I do not care what he did with the Devils, or what he did in the World Championships".

I bet by the start of the season you'll have determined that we are all idiots and you'll stop posting here.

 

[STL Shark]

I bet by the start of the season you'll have determined that we are all idiots and you'll stop posting here.

We can only hope.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Don't worry, it isn't me who isn't properly evaluating the situation. If you had happened to use critical thinking before saying this, you'd realize it's all a chain event anyways. Different spots or even positions doesn't mean you can't block players path (saw this with the oilers and the cap situation they had before the playoffs). During his 22 games, Zetterlund did not show a single NHL quality skill. I do not care what he did with the Devils, or what he did in the World Championships. He'll be 24 before the season, and by that point an NHL player has at least one thing noticeable about them. He has nothing. Peterson, for example, only ONE MONTH!!! older, in only 12(!!) games, not only was noticeable almost every single game, but also displayed multiple NHL level qualities already. THAT who is you want on your 3rd/4th line. Sharks had no one good this season, so he was on the 1st/2nd when he should be on the 3rd/4th, but wouldn't have been able to since Zetterlund was there. By keeping Peterson on the 1st/2nd line, obviously, you are taking a spot away from Gushchin. It's like I'm talking to walls with some of you lol.

There's so much discussion about how most of the Barracuda players are 3rd/4th liners, Weisblatt for example, who would be league minimum ELCers for a few years and haven't had a chance to show anything yet but it always gets forgotten in discussions like this. Just so so so odd. Zetterlund is not a Clutterbuck nor will become one, he's a Lane Pederson.

You were just on the last page complaining about the lack of right-handed shooters on the team and you're wanting to get rid of one who will be cheap based on 22 games here. Some players do poorly relative to their capabilities when changing teams initially. Karlsson had 12 points in his first 22 games as a Shark. I disagree that Zetterlund didn't show a single NHL skill. He just hasn't figured out how he fits here yet. He has NHL speed and an NHL level shot. But I don't think he's in any real way a standout so if they traded him that would be fine but letting him go for nothing is pointless. The Sharks don't need cap space and won't be hurting if they paid him 2 mil a year for two years though that's over what I expect he'll get. None of the guys in the AHL except for Kaut really deserve a look next year until they show a lot more with the Barracuda. Wiesblatt and Coe are still way off from being NHL'ers. Even Kaut has less impact on the game if he's not scoring.

To me, you're just not being patient considering our situation doesn't require anyone we have to be rushed.

 

[Gecklund]

You were just on the last page complaining about the lack of right-handed shooters on the team and you're wanting to get rid of one who will be cheap based on 22 games here. Some players do poorly relative to their capabilities when changing teams initially. Karlsson had 12 points in his first 22 games as a Shark. I disagree that Zetterlund didn't show a single NHL skill. He just hasn't figured out how he fits here yet. He has NHL speed and an NHL level shot. But I don't think he's in any real way a standout so if they traded him that would be fine but letting him go for nothing is pointless. The Sharks don't need cap space and won't be hurting if they paid him 2 mil a year for two years though that's over what I expect he'll get. None of the guys in the AHL except for Kaut really deserve a look next year until they show a lot more with the Barracuda. Wiesblatt and Coe are still way off from being NHL'ers. Even Kaut has less impact on the game if he's not scoring.

To me, you're just not being patient considering our situation doesn't require anyone we have to be rushed.

Hell Wiesblatt and Coe haven’t shown anything to suggest they have a future as NHLers. Both still young so patience and whatnot.

Wiesblatt had 15 points in 45 games last year, Coe 16 in 56. In comparison Robins had 38 in 64, Gushchin had 45 in 67, and Bordeleau had 41 in 65. All of these guys drafted same year. All of them first full year in the AHL. All of these guys should be relatively similar development tracks.

In other words, there’s a lot to be unhappy about with the Sharks last few years. Not giving Coe or Ozzy a chance in the NHL should be pretty close to the bottom of the list.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Skeksis25]

People get too enamoured with high draft picks and look at them with rose coloured glasses. Only natural I guess. You are supposed to be hyped about your first round picks. But once the pick is made, the player is just another piece in your system. Weisblatt has shown nothing to deserve a "lets see what he's got" opportunity. Only reason anyone wants that for him is because he was a 1st round pick.

Everyone wants all their picks to hit and to have a team comprised mainly of homegrown talent. But you can't force it. A player who doesn't show NHL capability isn't going to magically turn into one just because your team drafted him high. If he shows that kinda ability in the future, he should be considered for a call up. But not simply because he was a 1st round pick.

 

[one2gamble]

Nobody thought weisblat was a good pick though

 

[Gecklund]

Nobody thought weisblat was a good pick though

I don’t think that’s true

 

[Levie]

I don’t think that’s true

I think most thought he was at best a reach.

 

[Gecklund]

I think most thought he was at best a reach.

I think everyone thought it was a small reach but Ozzy was considered a very good prospect.

The reason why I remember is because I hated the pick and got criticized for it.

 

[Internazionale]

I would absolutely love to get Tyler Bertuzzi.

 

[one2gamble]

I don’t think that’s true

Nobody thought he should go within 20 picks of where the sharks grabbed him

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think most thought he was at best a reach.

Yep there was a big hype of JJ Peterka, and it was pretty spot on in hindsight.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Ideally, you'd like prospects like Gushchin and Bordeleau to have a breakout AHL season (where they just destroy the league) before being called up.

 

[themelkman]

Nobody thought weisblat was a good pick though

Yup, everyone got a little too excited about the Doug Jr using sign langauge and forgot that the guy was probably a late second rounder.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I remember the immediate response to the Ozwaldo pick was a lot of who? Who?

Then a twitter post came out about how he was one of the top zone-entry guys in the draft and we were like ooooooh. Man "zone-entries" was a such buzz word that year.

And then the next day we drafted Bordeleau and everyone was stoked about getting him that we were generally alright with reaching on Ozzy.

 

[Cas]

I remember the immediate response to the Ozwaldo pick was a lot of who? Who?

Then a twitter post came out about how he was one of the top zone-entry guys in the draft and we were like ooooooh. Man "zone-entries" was a such buzz word that year.

And then the next day we drafted Bordeleau and everyone was stoked about getting him that we were generally alright with reaching on Ozzy.

That's how I remember it, too.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I remember the immediate response to the Ozwaldo pick was a lot of who? Who?

Then a twitter post came out about how he was one of the top zone-entry guys in the draft and we were like ooooooh. Man "zone-entries" was a such buzz word that year.

And then the next day we drafted Bordeleau and everyone was stoked about getting him that we were generally alright with reaching on Ozzy.

I think this is a great example of why microstats in scouting (especially against teenagers) aren’t quite as important as some internet scouts believe. It’s all about projection, not basics.

 

[Alaskanice]

Yup, everyone got a little too excited about the Doug Jr using sign langauge and forgot that the guy was probably a late second rounder.

I was excited that he used sign language. My parents are deaf and that small gesture in no certain terms was amazing to his family. His mother is deaf.
Maybe, it’s having deaf parents that I can understand the elation.

 

[Kcoyote3]

I think this is a great example of why microstats in scouting (especially against teenagers) aren’t quite as important as some internet scouts believe. It’s all about projection, not basics.

Ever since his draft year I never doubted that Ozzy could carry the puck into the zone. He's a good skater, has some good hands, and at least in juniors was able to use both to make zone entries. The issue was he just had no damn idea what to do with it once he got there, and would either hold onto the puck for too long and take a low percentage option, or lose the puck, or lob a muffin shot. He also never improved his shot from his draft year which was a clear weakness. His last junior year he beat a goaltender at even strength ONCE with an actual shot the whole year. The rest were ENs, PP goals, tips, rebounds or behind the net bank shots.

It was definitely a DWJr thing, finding dudes who are good skaters who can enter the zone. There was/is just too much with Ozzy that needs to improve to become an offensive player in the NHL. He luckily does have some fallback strengths like his peskiness and physicality, that with a few more years and some careful coaching could turn him into an energy guy. One that won't put up many points but could be useful.

 

[Alaskanice]

Ever since his draft year I never doubted that Ozzy could carry the puck into the zone. He's a good skater, has some good hands, and at least in juniors was able to use both to make zone entries. The issue was he just had no damn idea what to do with it once he got there, and would either hold onto the puck for too long and take a low percentage option, or lose the puck, or lob a muffin shot. He also never improved his shot from his draft year which was a clear weakness. His last junior year he beat a goaltender at even strength ONCE with an actual shot the whole year. The rest were ENs, PP goals, tips, rebounds or behind the net bank shots.

It was definitely a DWJr thing, finding dudes who are good skaters who can enter the zone. There was/is just too much with Ozzy that needs to improve to become an offensive player in the NHL. He luckily does have some fallback strengths like his peskiness and physicality, that with a few more years and some careful coaching could turn him into an energy guy. One that won't put up many points but could be useful.

One only needs to see Sam Bennett. It took him a long time but he is doing well now.

 

[NiWa]

Ever since his draft year I never doubted that Ozzy could carry the puck into the zone. He's a good skater, has some good hands, and at least in juniors was able to use both to make zone entries. The issue was he just had no damn idea what to do with it once he got there, and would either hold onto the puck for too long and take a low percentage option, or lose the puck, or lob a muffin shot. He also never improved his shot from his draft year which was a clear weakness. His last junior year he beat a goaltender at even strength ONCE with an actual shot the whole year. The rest were ENs, PP goals, tips, rebounds or behind the net bank shots.

It was definitely a DWJr thing, finding dudes who are good skaters who can enter the zone. There was/is just too much with Ozzy that needs to improve to become an offensive player in the NHL. He luckily does have some fallback strengths like his peskiness and physicality, that with a few more years and some careful coaching could turn him into an energy guy. One that won't put up many points but could be useful.

Gregor 2.0 ?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Ever since his draft year I never doubted that Ozzy could carry the puck into the zone. He's a good skater, has some good hands, and at least in juniors was able to use both to make zone entries. The issue was he just had no damn idea what to do with it once he got there, and would either hold onto the puck for too long and take a low percentage option, or lose the puck, or lob a muffin shot. He also never improved his shot from his draft year which was a clear weakness. His last junior year he beat a goaltender at even strength ONCE with an actual shot the whole year. The rest were ENs, PP goals, tips, rebounds or behind the net bank shots.

It was definitely a DWJr thing, finding dudes who are good skaters who can enter the zone. There was/is just too much with Ozzy that needs to improve to become an offensive player in the NHL. He luckily does have some fallback strengths like his peskiness and physicality, that with a few more years and some careful coaching could turn him into an energy guy. One that won't put up many points but could be useful.

Right, that’s sort of what I mean. It’s useless to have a single distilled positive attribute when the connecting skills aren’t there.