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Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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mogambomoroo said:
I feel like Mike Grier has started a pretty under the radar way of building a solid foundation for the future by betting on players like Thrun, Peterson, Kaut that didn't have space on their respective teams that drafted them but have potential. I feel like there will be a lot of these kind of moves ahead, and he will go to teams that are loaded with prospects and pay lower price rather than trading for picks. I mean i already feel like Thrun and Peterson could become important players that only needed a good chance to showcase their talent.
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Sneaky. Finding those players who will work harder for spots.
 
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mogambomoroo said:
I feel like Mike Grier has started a pretty under the radar way of building a solid foundation for the future by betting on players like Thrun, Peterson, Kaut that didn't have space on their respective teams that drafted them but have potential. I feel like there will be a lot of these kind of moves ahead, and he will go to teams that are loaded with prospects and pay lower price rather than trading for picks. I mean i already feel like Thrun and Peterson could become important players that only needed a good chance to showcase their talent.
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Yea, I like the low cost acquisitions. It’s almost like Vegas and Seattle have done by giving decent players more opportunities and watching them take off.

I do wish Grier would’ve picked up Tolvanen on waivers. That’s the type of guy you take a flyer on and it’s working great for Seattle.
 
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Probably next year (if it's a total tank show):
Eklund - Hertl - Gushchin/Labanc (Gusch deserves a good look, Labanc is there if Gusch gets send down)
Peterson - Couture - Barabanov (This could be the best line all around, if Peterson plays the same way as he played at the end of last season)
Lorentz - Bordeleau - Kunin (I would to try Bordeleau playing 3C from the start)
Lindblom - Sturm - Zetterlund

Thrun - Karlsson (anti tank pairing)
Ferraro - Knyzhov (Knyzhov listed as LD/RD, so better him than any other player at 2RD)
Vlasic - Benning (this looks super bad, but it's a tanking season)

Kähkönen
Mäkiniemi (I don't know if there is free agent goalie here, probably someone on 2 year deal)

Are these lines super off?
Do you guys see what kind of changes? Is there changes?
 
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mogambomoroo said:
Probably next year (if it's a total tank show):
Eklund - Hertl - Gushchin/Labanc (Gusch deserves a good look, Labanc is there if Gusch gets send down)
Peterson - Couture - Barabanov (This could be the best line all around, if Peterson plays the same way as he played at the end of last season)
Lorentz - Bordeleau - Kunin (I would to try Bordeleau playing 3C from the start)
Lindblom - Sturm - Zetterlund

Thrun - Karlsson (anti tank pairing)
Ferraro - Knyzhov (Knyzhov listed as LD/RD, so better him than any other player at 2RD)
Vlasic - Benning (this looks super bad, but it's a tanking season)

Kähkönen
Mäkiniemi (I don't know if there is free agent goalie here, probably someone on 2 year deal)

Are these lines super off?
Do you guys see what kind of changes? Is there changes?
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On the forward side, I reckon Bordeleau and Gushchin get to start in the AHL, but will earn spots as the season progresses. Kaut I could also see in the mix, he looked quite good on the Sharks.

Main idea being to giving some of the currently overpaid players (Labanc, Lindblom, Kunin) in their last contract year a last chance to raise their value.
This may very well backfire and start the tank strong. :)

With Bonino and Nieto gone (2nd and 3rd highest relative PK ice time), main PK ice time would go to Couture (1st), Sturm (4th), Kunin (5th) and Lorentz (6th). Peterson (7th) & Lindblom (8th) would provide relieve.

With Meier gone, (4th highest relative PP ice time), main PP ice time for forwards would go to Eklund (1st), Hertl (2nd), Peterson (3rd), Couture (5th) and Barabanov (6th). Kunin, Labanc in the mix for PP2.
Gushchin/Bordeleau didn't play many games, but did well on the PP so they will take over the 2nd PP once they get called up. I'd hope they'd gain chemistry on the Cuda PP1 to start the year.

With the D group, I would probably play Vlasic on his off-side, he can also play RD.

Ferraro-Karlsson (I don't like Ferraro there, but he's the minute muncher on LD)
Thrun-Benning (Thrun could provide some offense here to balance the pairings).
Knyzhov-Vlasic (Knyzhov just needs to stay healthy, would start him on reduced minutes on 3rd pairing).
Simek/Okhotyuk in the mix for a physical element. And Macdonald is the offensive D option.
 
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Grier has made it very clear he isn’t going to skip any steps in order to make this franchise stanley cup caliber. I love that. MG comes across as a guy who’s strictly business and really has a solid game plan and he won’t waiver on it. Gives every one around him and me as a fan confidence and belief in where this team is going. We may not see it now, but maybe 2-3 years from now the fruits of the labor will start to bear fruit. I can’t say for sure, but it seems like Edmonton getting Mcdavid and Drai was a gift and a curse.
 
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Benjamin Gaudreau refuses to sign, will go back to the draft. So there goes some of the depth that people were wondering about earlier this offseason.
 
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FishRFriendz86 said:
Grier has made it very clear he isn’t going to skip any steps in order to make this franchise stanley cup caliber. I love that. MG comes across as a guy who’s strictly business and really has a solid game plan and he won’t waiver on it. Gives every one around him and me as a fan confidence and belief in where this team is going. We may not see it now, but maybe 2-3 years from now the fruits of the labor will start to bear fruit. I can’t say for sure, but it seems like Edmonton getting Mcdavid and Drai was a gift and a curse.
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I agree that over the course of the year, Grier has given me a lot of confidence in his plan. I think as a GM, he still needs to keep growing and evolving with his trades. I don’t necessarily think he lost a ton (other than the Burns trade) but I also think after years of DW fleecing people, you want to see him win a trade once or twice, but there’s time.

I think this summer is a big one for him, I actually think he plans to do more than we think (he’s mentioned a couple times how he sees it as a big summer) and I’m curious to see what steps he takes, what FA looks like, who he drafts, etc.

But right now, I’m really happy with him and feel optimistic about the future of the team. It makes knowing that we’re going to suck for at least 2-3 more years more palatable.
 
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landshark said:
I do think it is. I meant comical in that Tavares was nearly a Shark when Toronto signed him. I remember being super stoked about getting Tavares for awhile then he signed with the Leafs... and now the contract is an anchor.
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I find it very hard to call a point per game center to be an anchor. Maybe he's a million or so overpaid, but that is more to do with the cap being flat than that being a bad contract. We have a Cup right now if we signed Tavares instead of having to trade for Karlsson. Heck, we probably haven't missed the playoffs 4 straight years with Tavares either.
 
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LadyStanley said:
theathletic.com

NHL offseason trade board: What we're hearing about the Jets' stars, the Leafs' Core Four and other targets

Connor Hellebuyck, Mark Scheifele, William Nylander and Erik Karlsson are among the buzziest names who could be moved this summer.
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Athletic trade board 1.0.

EK65 is the only Shark listed at #4. But have to think one or more UFAs might be signed this offseason.
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Labanc also included at 15th.

Washington isn't going to be looking to rebuild with Ovi's final years on the horizon. I see Barabanov as a great fit there with his Russian comrade Ovi. Mantha is out of favor there and would be a nice buy low cap dump that you can turn into value at the TDL potentially. What would Washington need to add to Mantha in a deal for Barabanov?
 
landshark said:
Wow. 9 million a year for a goalie...
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Some intriguing names on that Big Board.

Calen Adison shocked me - didn't realise his star had fallen so heavily. Would probably cost more than makes sense to acquire him, but he'd be a good bet to be a productive PP option off the right wouldn't he?

Also, 'Darth' Vladar from Calgary - worth a punt in a pair I'd say, especially if the Flames are committed to Wolf/Markstrom.
 
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Le Rosbeef said:
Some intriguing names on that Big Board.

Calen Adison shocked me - didn't realise his star had fallen so heavily. Would probably cost more than makes sense to acquire him, but he'd be a good bet to be a productive PP option off the right wouldn't he?

Also, 'Darth' Vladar from Calgary - worth a punt in a pair I'd say, especially if the Flames are committed to Wolf/Markstrom.
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Calen Adison: he's kinda young to be given up on... But sure I'd take a look at a young right handed shot D, need to have righty for all the lefty Sharks have currently.

All goalies that don't require a big-ass cap hit and long ass contract that have potential should be looked at. Missing Strelow more and more...
 
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STL Shark said:
I find it very hard to call a point per game center to be an anchor. Maybe he's a million or so overpaid, but that is more to do with the cap being flat than that being a bad contract. We have a Cup right now if we signed Tavares instead of having to trade for Karlsson. Heck, we probably haven't missed the playoffs 4 straight years with Tavares either.
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Yah, I thought a bit about that. No Karl but Sharks have John Tavares... Hard to be definitive about how things would have turned out considering Jone5er in goal. I think assuming a cup would be a bit over the top tho. I didn't feel like playing all the "what if".

I got used to the flatcap, I can see where it would be less anchor-y had the cap gone up a bit each of the last few years.

This whole rotting-of-long-contract thing will be an issue going forward until there's a pay-for-performace scale brought about. The whole thing is damned to nonsense because teams are always paying for what you did in previous years. Forcing players to earn salary through bonuses and salary-for-performance structure would be a boon to the entertainment value of the NHL I think.
 
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STL Shark said:
I find it very hard to call a point per game center to be an anchor. Maybe he's a million or so overpaid, but that is more to do with the cap being flat than that being a bad contract. We have a Cup right now if we signed Tavares instead of having to trade for Karlsson. Heck, we probably haven't missed the playoffs 4 straight years with Tavares either.
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Toronto hasn't won shit since signing Tavares. You seriously think the Sharks would've fared any better with him?
 
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