2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Magua]

Will Deslauriers chip out and in every single puck touch still?

Frost works best with space. No one will give him more space than Nic.

I know these players are drastically different in height, but I think a lot about what Buffalo did to unlock Tage Thompson. Instead of pretending he's a power forward eating checks on the wall, they moved him to the middle and let him play away from the walls and in space to utilize his real strengths. Now, we know the Flyers would never get past the 6'6 PWF part -- and Frost is actually a pretty good forechecker and play is fluid -- but his development and utilization should be about how to constantly be in space. All I see is him fighting for pucks that, when won, amount to little. (I know this is DOA.)

Some smaller players are naturally elusive along the walls (Stankoven, Garland, etc.), but that's not really Frost. He also excels at diagramming multi-pass plays, which obviously goes to shit with guys who can't pass. Frost is sneaky good as an off-puck shooter too. Types like Cates and Foerster are tailor-made for him.

 

[Curufinwe]

"Any update on Cam Atkinson?"

"Status quo. Trying to find his way".

 

[Beef Invictus]

"Any update on Cam Atkinson?"

"Status quo. Trying to find his way".

He's on a vision quest with Ellis.

 

[ajgoal]

 

[Strawberry Fields]

If they gotta have a tough guy on the roster, let's at least make a trade.

To (2022):

Brashear


To (2002):

Deslauriers

 

[Angry Hockey Dad]

LOL

How the f*** are we at the cap hahaha

 

[deadhead]

So in a rebuilding year they try a LW who played center in college at center. And that's a problem?

At worst Cates got some experience at center, something to build on to add versatility going forward (like this team never suffers from a string of injuries?) They tried it, it didn't look good, maybe they try again in a few months.

The litany of excuses for Frost gets a bit tiresome. Just Do It.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So in a rebuilding year they try a LW who played center in college at center. And that's a problem?

At worst Cates got some experience at center, something to build on to add versatility going forward (like this team never suffers from a string of injuries?) They tried it, it didn't look good, maybe they try again in a few months.

The litany of excuses for Frost gets a bit tiresome. Just Do It.

Yes. It is a problem. Let him play his actual position. This is more developmental malpractice.

The litany of unwarranted blame for a young Frost not turning Fletcher's piles of shit into mountains of gold is tiresome.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Anisimov is still here apparently.

 

[Striiker]

Speaking of players needing to earn their spots and get results, anyone want to take a guess who Forward 1 and Forward 2 are?

Which would you expect to see in the top six and which would you expect to see in the bottom six?

Here's a huge clue: Tort/Fletcher fanboys hate F1 and F2 has been praised constantly and never criticized. And although that description applies to both, F2 is neither MacEwen nor Deslauriers.

Spoiler: Answer

F1 = Frost

F2 = N. Cates

 

[DancingPanther]

Speaking of players needing to earn their spots and get results, anyone want to take a guess who Forward 1 and Forward 2 are?

Which would you expect to see in the top six and which would you expect to see in the bottom six?

Here's a huge clue: Tort/Fletcher fanboys hate F1 and F2 has been praised constantly and never criticized. And although that description applies to both, F2 is neither MacEwen nor Deslauriers.

Spoiler: Answer

F1 = Frost

F2 = N. Cates

Frost and Cates!

I promise I didn't look at the spoiler

 

[renberg]

One of the few good things that came out of last year was the play of N Cates-Frost-Tippett. I don’t get why that combo isn’t getting a chance. Granted Tippett can’t finish, then put Allison with Frost and Cates. Sure Torts is fooling around with personnel but some of it has to fit. Just flipping guys around for the sake of it is a waste.

 

[deadhead]

Will Deslauriers chip out and in every single puck touch still?



I know these players are drastically different in height, but I think a lot about what Buffalo did to unlock Tage Thompson. Instead of pretending he's a power forward eating checks on the wall, they moved him to the middle and let him play away from the walls and in space to utilize his real strengths. Now, we know the Flyers would never get past the 6'6 PWF part -- and Frost is actually a pretty good forechecker and play is fluid -- but his development and utilization should be about how to constantly be in space. All I see is him fighting for pucks that, when won, amount to little. (I know this is DOA.)

Some smaller players are naturally elusive along the walls (Stankoven, Garland, etc.), but that's not really Frost. He also excels at diagramming multi-pass plays, which obviously goes to shit with guys who can't pass. Frost is sneaky good as an off-puck shooter too. Types like Cates and Foerster are tailor-made for him.

Thompson also bounced between the AHL and NHL for three seasons, struggled for a while, and then the light went on.

That lost season has set Frost back, but he also has trouble playing fast, he skates fast, but doesn't play as fast as he skates, and that often comes with experience. He's not as elusive as the top smurfs, so he's needed to add strength to deal with contact.

He needs to play in space, but part of that is learning how to create space, G did it instinctively, Frost is still learning how to set defenders up.

I wanted to see him back with Cates and Tippett, but with JVR and Atkinson out, that's going to be on hold.
Hopefully, Lycksell won't need too long to get acclimated to NA hockey, b/c Lycksell - Frost - Allison would be worth watching down the road.

 

[Curufinwe]

So in a rebuilding year they try a LW who played center in college at center. And that's a problem?

At worst Cates got some experience at center, something to build on to add versatility going forward (like this team never suffers from a string of injuries?) They tried it, it didn't look good, maybe they try again in a few months.

The litany of excuses for Frost gets a bit tiresome. Just Do It.

You were the one who claimed Cates was already a better player than Frost, but he has 1 point in 6 game and couldn't hang at center. They're the same age, in case you had forgotten.

 

[flyerslducks]

Yes. It is a problem. Let him play his actual position. This is more developmental malpractice.

The litany of unwarranted blame for a young Frost not turning Fletcher's piles of shit into mountains of gold is tiresome.

I don’t think we brought up any excuses for frost in the recent posts....some want 40 points out of him and most of us just want to put him in a position to succeed to get those 40+ points that he could be capable of. That simply really.

I’d also want frost to be on the top pp now that jvr is gone but of course laughton gets the honor. Rather have cates on it than laughton too. Allison or tippet might even be better as a net front

 

[deadhead]

You were the one who claimed Cates was already a better player than Frost, but he has 1 point in 6 game and couldn't hang at center. They're the same age, in case you had forgotten.

I didn't say he was a better center, but I'd take Cates over Frost as a player.

It's a rebuilding year, so why not try players in different roles?

 

[Magua]

Put Deslauriers back on defense; that's his natural position.

 

[deadhead]

Put Deslauriers back on defense; that's his natural position.

It's been done, but he's a little long in the tooth for that role.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Imagine believing that it's a good idea to play a player out of position because it's a rebuilding year and that there isn't any harm in doing so. Oh wait......

 

[Striiker]

Don’t worry guys. York will be better than Ghost this year, just like Yandle was "a better fit" than Ghost last year.

This team is on the way up. They know how to develop prospects.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

glad to hear Torts is gunna watch Risto so he doesnt chase big hits...

Anisimov is still here apparently.

tweet no existy..

what it said ??

 

[Strawberry Fields]

glad to hear Torts is gunna watch Risto so he doesnt chase big hits...




tweet no existy..

what it said ??

Didn't see the tweet either but the Facebook page posted this so I imagine it was along the same lines.

 

[bennysflyers16]

So in a rebuilding year they try a LW who played center in college at center. And that's a problem?

At worst Cates got some experience at center, something to build on to add versatility going forward (like this team never suffers from a string of injuries?) They tried it, it didn't look good, maybe they try again in a few months.

The litany of excuses for Frost gets a bit tiresome. Just Do It.

Everyone here said it was a dumb idea less two of you.

 

[Curufinwe]

Eventually trying Cates at center would have been fine. Starting the season with him doing that was dumb.

 

[Striiker]

How long until we see Tippett at center?