2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[flyerslducks]

It doesn’t matter really.

I’m more annoyed this season because I felt we were close to finally getting the change needed. Rumors of Camillo taking more of a role, and Fletcher closer to the guillotine.

Tortorella is this organizations last ditch chance at digging into the trench, and I’m not naive enough to believe the “stability”, he provides will be looked at as success. They will look tougher, and win a few more games.

This is going to be shit for a while yet, because so far their approach is working in their eyes. Annoying for sure.

ya im right there with you. I just don't want this to continue to put chuck in a position where he potentially could trade future assets away for help right now. Hopefully we can start being shit again so we can be closer to getting rid of chuck and then looking to sell at the deadline.

Our goalies cant keep this up, even though I am happy for hart. Its just a matter of time and with jvr out now its just going o add to the offensive issues. Gotta fire the gm and go from here I guess, I have no idea what we can do about the rest of the management squad

 

[deadhead]

What future assets has Chuck traded for rentals here? A 4th and a 5th?
A 2nd and 3rd for Braun, who was dealt for a 3rd after resigning a low cost deal.
Risto, for good or evil, was a 26 year old D-man.
TDA is a 27 year old D-man
Hayes was signed as a 27 year old center.

That's the one good thing Fletcher has not done, the big TDL trades for rentals like Zito, where he gave up 2 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th and two prospects to get swept by TB and have both players then leave.

 

[flyersnorth]

It doesn’t matter really.

I’m more annoyed this season because I felt we were close to finally getting the change needed. Rumors of Camillo taking more of a role, and Fletcher closer to the guillotine.

Tortorella is this organizations last ditch chance at digging into the trench, and I’m not naive enough to believe the “stability”, he provides will be looked at as success. They will look tougher, and win a few more games.

This is going to be shit for a while yet, because so far their approach is working in their eyes. Annoying for sure.

I think they 100% now accept that "competing" is not in the cards with this roster. Not sure when they had that come-to-Jesus moment, but the apparent hard pass on Gaudreau is a big indicator that something just wasn't right inside the organization.

So, here we are, in a rebuild by accident. Too many good players out, too little talent across both the Flyers and Phantoms.

I think that we will ultimately get what most fans want, and that's doing things another way.

The caveat of course is it very much matters who's running the show.

Is there any possibility that the post-Fletch GM is *not* Briere? I'm all for giving the guy a shot, but given the state of the franchise, is it the right time?

 

[Magua]

What future assets has Chuck traded for rentals here? A 4th and a 5th?

 

[FlyerNutter]

I think they 100% now accept that "competing" is not in the cards with this roster. Not sure when they had that come-to-Jesus moment, but the apparent hard pass on Gaudreau is a big indicator that something just wasn't right inside the organization.

So, here we are, in a rebuild by accident. Too many good players out, too little talent across both the Flyers and Phantoms.

I think that we will ultimately get what most fans want, and that's doing things another way.

The caveat of course is it very much matters who's running the show.

Is there any possibility that the post-Fletch GM is *not* Briere? I'm all for giving the guy a shot, but given the state of the franchise, is it the right time?

Gaudreau is an interesting topic.

I’m in line with a very simply explanation. The optics of having to pay a random to move JVR was more than they were willing to deal with.

I don’t think it was some master plan that they weren’t in a spot to sign an elite talent to a long term deal. The Flyers under Fletcher have been extremely willing to throw around money/term for lesser players.

Also, love you man - but can’t agree they are rebuilding. A rebuilding team does not continue to hand out big contracts, scared of trading anyone outside of Braun/JVR for future assets.

 

[freakydallas13]

The audacity of contrarians to say the team isn't competing anymore after hand waving giving up a boatload of picks to get rid of ghost, and bring in Fisto/TDA. Not to mention resigning Fisto and Hayes.

These are inexcusable gm moves when the team is cap maxed and destined to miss the playoffs.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

DeAngelo is better than I thought he was.

I don't know if that is saying much, but I like his puck handling ability and edge work a lot. Still leaves a lot to desire defending though.

The audacity of contrarians to say the team isn't competing anymore after hand waving giving up a boatload of picks to get rid of ghost, and bring in Fisto/TDA. Not to mention resigning Fisto and Hayes.

These are inexcusable gm moves when the team is cap maxed and destined to miss the playoffs.

Yup.

Thankfully they get some much needed cap relief next year, maybe as early as this year if they can move JvR ASAP. I really think they can take advantage of some other teams who are up against it with guys with term.

 

[freakydallas13]

After Torts was hired, there was zero talk of competing this year

Fletcher has abdicated to Torts, probably b/c it allows him to avoid a direct confrontation with Scott, letting the new HC with the big contract be explicit.

After Torts was hired, there was zero talk of rebuilding this year. Does that mean they're trying to compete?

Was Torts in control of the Roster choices when Hodgson was in the opening night roster, after Torts said publically he didn't think Hodgson should be in the NHL?

 

[deadhead]

Gaudreau is an interesting topic.

I’m in line with a very simply explanation. The optics of having to pay a random to move JVR was more than they were willing to deal with.

I don’t think it was some master plan that they weren’t in a spot to sign an elite talent to a long term deal. The Flyers under Fletcher have been extremely willing to throw around money/term for lesser players.

That's simply not true. He's actually been very conservative.

Signing Hayes was driven by Patrick and the "win now" mandate, he had to find a top 6 center. Duchene was the other choice.
Provorov may be an overpay in a post-COVID cap world, but look at what young D-men get paid. And he plays 1st line minutes
Sanheim is a good deal, Farabee, TK. Core young players signed at reasonable rates.
Couts was a bargain before the back, a 1C at $7.5M. Crap happens.
Ellis was $6M for a legitimate 1st pair D-man, crap happens.
TDA is $5M for a top 4 D-man.

So the only questionable spend was Risto, and someone desperately wanted him, maybe Fletcher, maybe the PTB, maybe both.

 

[FlyerNutter]

DeAngelo is better than I thought he was.

I don't know if that is saying much, but I like his puck handling ability and edge work a lot. Still leaves a lot to desire defending though.


Yup.

Thankfully they get some much needed cap relief next year, maybe as early as this year if they can move JvR ASAP. I really think they can take advantage of some other teams who are up against it with guys with term.

Last post because I’m already going too much today.

Chuck Fletcher with an opening up of cap space, should scare the hell out of anyone. I have zero doubt this team will be first in line to blow any sort of future cap flexibility.

 

[Curufinwe]

DeAngelo is better than I thought he was.

I don't know if that is saying much, but I like his puck handling ability and edge work a lot. Still leaves a lot to desire defending though.

He just fell over last night in the DZ and had to be bailed out by Sandstrom.

Offensively, he does look good, though.

 

[deadhead]

TDA has been very inconsistent defensively, he's made some really good plays around the net, he's made some terrible turnovers.
Provorov and TDA seem to be struggling figuring out their respective roles.

 

[Magua]

This team getting cap relief is a concern honestly.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This team getting cap relief is a concern honestly.

An inability to make moves because of his own moves is the only thing saving us from Fletcher making things even worse.

 

[Chinatown88]

This team getting cap relief is a concern honestly.

But we could sign PLD Pog

 

[Magua]

But we could sign PLD Pog

Do you know who our coach is? That ship sailed.

 

[Chinatown88]

Do you know who our coach is? That ship sailed.

He can get fired after a year. I hope...

 

[Magua]

He can get fired after a year. I hope...

Tyler Bertuzzi 7 years x $8.5 mil.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

He just fell over last night in the DZ and had to be bailed out by Sandstrom.

Offensively, he does look good, though.

I laughed out loud when that happened haha

 

[Chinatown88]

Tyler Bertuzzi 7 years x $8 mil.

 

[flyersnorth]

Gaudreau is an interesting topic.

I’m in line with a very simply explanation. The optics of having to pay a random to move JVR was more than they were willing to deal with.

I don’t think it was some master plan that they weren’t in a spot to sign an elite talent to a long term deal. The Flyers under Fletcher have been extremely willing to throw around money/term for lesser players.

Also, love you man - but can’t agree they are rebuilding. A rebuilding team does not continue to hand out big contracts, scared of trading anyone outside of Braun/JVR for future assets.

That's what makes Fletcher so maddening. There are so many moves that just don't make sense in isolation, and even less sense when you look at the bigger picture.

By "rebuilding", I just meant that they're going to have to do it almost by default now because this is a weak roster that can't possibly fool them into believing otherwise... right?

They'll be a lottery team, and you gotta hope that they approach the deadline that way.

 

[Curufinwe]

Typical of that little wimp Frost to get badly injured on a routine play along the boards. That kind of thing just doesn't happen to big tough guys.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Magua]

By miles, Provorov is the Flyers best all-around Dman.

 

[Striiker]

That “PP 6%” stands for the success rate when he’s on it.