2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Hollywood Cannon]

Where did Fletch publicly admit that the Flyers are rebuilding? I have only heard an explicit denial of a rebuild ("it's a retool, Charlie"), and then eventually, a "stabilizing" year.

That sounds more like a man who ran out of options and misplayed his cards rather than a deliberate and decisive rebuild.

I know that what we're looking at in reality is a rebuild - largely due to injuries to key players - but that seems to be more by accident than by design.

I'll take a rebuild no matter how it happens because the whole hockey world can plainly see this is a bottom 10 roster with a thin pipeline.

He hasn't. It's pure fantasy. Just like the idea that Dave Scott going radio quiet means something.

 

[FlyerNutter]

There is no rebuild.

You can bet your asses that if they were even within a sniff of the playoffs he would try to buy more 4th line try hards at the deadline.

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher was talking about the need to add top players under 25 in January, when Scott was talking about an aggressive "retool" and competing in 2022-23. After Torts was hired, there was zero talk of competing this year, and Torts was explicit that he wasn't trying to win this season, but to evaluate players and install his philosophy and schemes. He said it was too early to think about competing for the playoffs.

Fletcher has abdicated to Torts, probably b/c it allows him to avoid a direct confrontation with Scott, letting the new HC with the big contract be explicit.

I think Torts wants players like Sedlak (especially with Atkinson out) not to win, but to set the tone. He wants the team on the same page before he starts bringing up and auditioning younger prospects. When you have structure and a clubhouse that buys in, it's a much better environment to develop young players.

 

[Nizzle]

Sedlak setting the tone for an NHL team

 

[deadhead]

Sedlak setting the tone for an NHL team

What's so funny about that?

He's played for Torts, he knows what the coach wants, and he can be a conduit to the other players with Atkinson out.
And so far, Sedlak has looked pretty good, definitely an upgrade over J Cates or Brown/Thompson/Bunnaman last season.

 

[Rebels57]

Why is anyone even talking about these bums right now?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Why is anyone even talking about these bums right now?

^ Boob guy

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher was talking about the need to add top players under 25 in January, when Scott was talking about an aggressive "retool" and competing in 2022-23. After Torts was hired, there was zero talk of competing this year, and Torts was explicit that he wasn't trying to win this season, but to evaluate players and install his philosophy and schemes. He said it was too early to think about competing for the playoffs.

Fletcher has abdicated to Torts, probably b/c it allows him to avoid a direct confrontation with Scott, letting the new HC with the big contract be explicit.

I think Torts wants players like Sedlak (especially with Atkinson out) not to win, but to set the tone. He wants the team on the same page before he starts bringing up and auditioning younger prospects. When you have structure and a clubhouse that buys in, it's a much better environment to develop young players.

If Fletcher wanted a rebuild and to finally give youth a chance in January he wouldn't have extended Risto, traded a truckload of draft picks for two years of TDA, signed Deslauriers longterm, or brought back Braun and Seeler both. After only playing young players out of necessity to finish last season and ditching them for the slops the second they were healthy.

If Tortorella is more concerned with "setting the tone" while admitting to letting details slip because he doesn't feel like learning how to communicate then hiring him was a massive mistake. He's already half retired.

 

[Nizzle]

What's so funny about that?

He's played for Torts, he knows what the coach wants, and he can be a conduit to the other players with Atkinson out.
And so far, Sedlak has looked pretty good, definitely an upgrade over J Cates or Brown/Thompson/Bunnaman last season.

What's so funny about that?

He's played for Torts, he knows what the coach wants, and he can be a conduit to the other players with Atkinson out.
And so far, Sedlak has looked pretty good, definitely an upgrade over J Cates or Brown/Thompson/Bunnaman last season.

He is 29 and his career high is 13 points six years ago.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Made me chuckle a little. Listed completely at the bottom of their staff. Not near any of the other advisors.

 

[Curufinwe]

What's so funny about that?

He's played for Torts, he knows what the coach wants, and he can be a conduit to the other players with Atkinson out.
And so far, Sedlak has looked pretty good, definitely an upgrade over J Cates or Brown/Thompson/Bunnaman last season.

I love this narrative that Torts is such a special snowflake of a coach that he needs a former player on the roster to interpret his genius for the other players.

 

[FlyerNutter]

If Fletcher wanted a rebuild and to finally give youth a chance in January he wouldn't have extended Risto, traded a truckload of draft picks for two years of TDA, signed Deslauriers longterm, or brought back Braun and Seeler both. After only playing young players out of necessity to finish last season and ditching them for the slops the second they were healthy.

If Tortorella is more concerned with "setting the tone" while admitting to letting details slip because he doesn't feel like learning how to communicate then hiring him was a massive mistake. He's already half retired.

Management based on protecting jobs, and an identity. Not on success.

 

[deadhead]

I love this narrative that Torts is such a special snowflake of a coach that he needs a former player on the roster to interpret his genius for the other players.

That's pretty standard for new HCs, bring in a former player or two.

Sedlak may have upped his game with 3 years in the KHL, he was 7th in scoring there last season, and that's a tough league to score.

I mean he's a 4th line guy, no one is expecting him to carry the team, but if he can be a competent center for guys like Laczynski (and Allison or Tippett when Atkinson returns), he serves a purpose. After watching the stiffs they've rolled out at 4C, it's nice to see someone who can skate and actually complete a pass.

 

[TCTC]

Where did Fletch publicly admit that the Flyers are rebuilding? I have only heard an explicit denial of a rebuild ("it's a retool, Charlie"), and then eventually, a "stabilizing" year.

That sounds more like a man who ran out of options and misplayed his cards rather than a deliberate and decisive rebuild.

I know that what we're looking at in reality is a rebuild - largely due to injuries to key players - but that seems to be more by accident than by design.

I'll take a rebuild no matter how it happens because the whole hockey world can plainly see this is a bottom 10 roster with a thin pipeline.

The only move Fletcher has made that can be called a deliberate rebuilding move was trading Giroux. If that's a rebuild, then even Holmgren did a better job at rebuilding when he traded Richards and Carter.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's pretty standard for new HCs, bring in a former player or two.

It isn't.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The only move Fletcher has made that can be called a deliberate rebuilding move was trading Giroux. If that's a rebuild, then even Holmgren did a better job at rebuilding when he traded Richards and Carter.

Drooling over the chance at resigning Couturier, Laughton, Sanheim, and Risto.

There is no rebuild when you retain damn well any player with some sort of actual value.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sedlak over J Cates is fine. Little bro is not an NHL player.

But anything that involves Allison or Laczynski getting sent down while Deslauriers and MacKewen stay in the lineup is not.

 

[deadhead]

Farabee, JVR, Laughton, Deslauriers
TK, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison, Laczynski.
Couts, Hayes, Cates, Frost, Sedlak

MacEwen is 26, Laczynski and Allison 25, so it's not a question of blocking a younger player.

Allison is more skilled, but he's not playing up to the level he did two years ago, did injuries take a toll or is he trying to find a balance between reckless and relentless.
Laczynski is playing a solid game in a sheltered 4th line role.
MacEwen brings energy to any line he plays on, but the effort exceeds the skill.

 

[flyerslducks]

Already down 8 starters.

Atkinson
Brink
Brown
Couturier
Ellis
Ristolainen
Tippett
Van Reimsdyk

they just don't want to play for the flyers lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

Farabee, JVR, Laughton, Deslauriers
TK, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison, Laczynski.
Couts, Hayes, Cates, Frost, Sedlak

MacEwen is 26, Laczynski and Allison 25, so it's not a question of blocking a younger player.

Allison is more skilled, but he's not playing up to the level he did two years ago, did injuries take a toll or is he trying to find a balance between reckless and relentless.
Laczynski is playing a solid game in a sheltered 4th line role.
MacEwen brings energy to any line he plays on, but the effort exceeds the skill.

"Energy" is useless without skill.

 

[FlyerNutter]

"Energy" is useless without skill.

Care to guess where the obsession with effort comes from? The obvious shift we saw this off season toward “Flyer hockey”, and making the players more uncomfortable?

Who in their rational mind thinks that’s Chuck Fletcher.

There are other evil forces very much at work here.

 

[Striiker]

Sedlak played more than TK, Laczynski, and Hayes last night.

Torts actually values that trash player because he's unskilled.

Deslauriers played over 15 minutes too.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Sedlak over J Cates is fine. Little bro is not an NHL player.

But anything that involves Allison or Laczynski getting sent down while Deslauriers and MacKewen stay in the lineup is not.

J Cates is the older bro...

 

[flyerslducks]

There is no rebuild.

You can bet your asses that if they were even within a sniff of the playoffs he would try to buy more 4th line try hards at the deadline.

and he would probably try to acquire talent if we are close to the playoffs come the deadline. I would be so pissed if he traded his 1st (this or next year) for help

 

[FlyerNutter]

and he would probably try to acquire talent if we are close to the playoffs come the deadline. I would be so pissed if he traded his 1st (this or next year) for help

It doesn’t matter really.

I’m more annoyed this season because I felt we were close to finally getting the change needed. Rumors of Camillo taking more of a role, and Fletcher closer to the guillotine.

Tortorella is this organizations last ditch chance at digging into the trench, and I’m not naive enough to believe the “stability”, he provides will be looked at as success. They will look tougher, and win a few more games.

This is going to be shit for a while yet, because so far their approach is working in their eyes. Annoying for sure.