Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Lol it didn't take 6+ weeks to make that move.

You're kidding yourself if you think that is the case.

Maybe a week or two tops.

This screams Calgary came in after NYI was closing in and offered a better deal. Then figured it how to make it quickly happen.

If anything Lou waited to long and Kadri moved on.

Now you're just doing baseless speculation.



Fact is, the moment Kadri signed, within a matter of minutes Monahan was dumped. Whether it took 2 days or 6 weeks for the trade to come together it is absolutely a fact that Calgary had to make a trade to dump salary before signing Kadri.


Quite frankly, look at the conditions on the Monahan trade and then try and tell me with a straight face that trade didn't take quite a while to hammer out those fine details.

 

[Avs_19]

Friedman said Kadri was hoping and waiting on the Avs for some time. If that's true then it wasn't Lou, a lack of offers, or anything else. Once the Avs wouldn't give him the term he wanted, he moved on and things came together with the Flames. He also said they knew he was coming a few days ago and then it was just a matter of getting the Monahan deal done.

BTW, that makes me like Kadri even more now. Too bad they couldn't make it work when he clearly wanted to be back. Just not bad enough to take a lot less, which is what it would've taken to return and I don't blame him for moving on. He got a great contract.

 

[chet1926]

Now you're just doing baseless speculation.



Fact is, the moment Kadri signed, within a matter of minutes Monahan was dumped. Whether it took 2 days or 6 weeks for the trade to come together it is absolutely a fact that Calgary had to make a trade to dump salary before signing Kadri.


Quite frankly, look at the conditions on the Monahan trade and then try and tell me with a straight face that trade didn't take quite a while to hammer out those fine details.

Had the deal been with NYI I'd believe the waiting on a trade to make it work narrative. As this was actually semi reported on.

Calgary hasn't really been discussed other than back burner until today really. Doubt they were trying to hammer out that stinker of a deal for 6+ weeks to get Kadri. And if it did take that long then they should be fired as that was a terrible deal.

 

[chet1926]

Friedman said Kadri was hoping and waiting on the Avs for some time. If that's true then it wasn't Lou, a lack of offers, or anything else. Once the Avs wouldn't give him the term he wanted, he moved on and things came together with the Flames. He also said they knew he was coming a few days ago and then it was just a matter of getting the Monahan deal done.

BTW, that makes me like Kadri even more now. Too bad they couldn't make it work when he clearly wanted to be back. Just not bad enough to take a lot less, which is what it would've taken to return and I don't blame him for moving on. He got a great contract.

This makes the most sense. Not a trade waiting to happen for 6+ weeks.

 

[AvsMakar08]

So Lou couldn't pull that off?

Lou is waiting to sign players in September.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Had the deal been with NYI I'd believe the waiting on a trade to make it work narrative. As this was actually semi reported on.

Calgary hasn't really been discussed other than back burner until today really. Doubt they were trying to hammer out that stinker of a deal for 6+ weeks to get Kadri. And if it did take that long then they should be fired as that was a terrible deal.

Alright, moving on from the other stuff, how was it a terrible trade?


That is quite literally the cost to move a $6M player and we have ther perfect precedent for it before in Patrick Marleau.


It cost the Leafs a 1st round pick to dump Marleau who had 1 year left on his deal at $6M. And it cost the Flames the exact same 1st round pick to move Monahan.


That's a very fair deal and lines up exactly with past precedent. It also reaffirms the idea Colorado would have had to move the 2023 1st to trade EJ if they wanted to re-sign Kadri.


I suspect from the Avs perspective they probably decided they were better off holding onto the pick and using it at the deadline to add to the team rather then using the pick to dump a guy. Just remains to be seen now whether they can actually use the 2023 1st to get a good 2C or not.

 

[hockeyfish]

We're still getting Barzel, right?

 

[Metallo]

Kadri couldn't agree to be clean shaven all the time so he didn't become an Isles.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

We're still getting Barzel, right?

Don’t need him, got Bowers re-upped

 

[Chiarelli]

Still be a waste of 8 days for Calgary. Not scurred.

 

[JH21]

Alright, moving on from the other stuff, how was it a terrible trade?


That is quite literally the cost to move a $6M player and we have ther perfect precedent for it before in Patrick Marleau.


It cost the Leafs a 1st round pick to dump Marleau who had 1 year left on his deal at $6M. And it cost the Flames the exact same 1st round pick to move Monahan.


That's a very fair deal and lines up exactly with past precedent. It also reaffirms the idea Colorado would have had to move the 2023 1st to trade EJ if they wanted to re-sign Kadri.


I suspect from the Avs perspective they probably decided they were better off holding onto the pick and using it at the deadline to add to the team rather then using the pick to dump a guy. Just remains to be seen now whether they can actually use the 2023 1st to get a good 2C or not.

Girard would have been the one to go. Not EJ.

We aren't run by morons like Vegas who treats their guys like crap. We reward loyalty. And the rest of the players in the league take note.

There was literally zero chance we would trade EJ who is the heart and soul of this team after a Cup win and all the emotions that went along with it.

 

[JH21]

Last 2 years

Out
Kadri
Burakovsky
Saad
Grubauer
Graves
Donskoi
Zadorov
Cole
Kuemper
Bellmare
Sturm
Timmins
Barron
Helleson
Aube Kubel
J. Johnson
Nieto
Namestnikov

In
Toews
Manson
Lehkonen
Georgiev
Helm
Cogliano
Meyers
MacDermid

Imagine this team Sakic built if there was no cap.

 

[The Pwnerer]

If we hadn't won the Cup this year, I think we'd all be in a full blown panic. The depth of this team has taken a hit over course of two years. At least the strength (our defense) is still intact. Kadri will be missed dearly from the forward group. What a hero. It sucks to know that that both side really wanted to get a deal done but the flat cap ruined things.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Girard would have been the one to go. Not EJ.

We aren't run by morons like Vegas who treats their guys like crap. We reward loyalty. And the rest of the players in the league take note.

There was literally zero chance we would trade EJ who is the heart and soul of this team after a Cup win and all the emotions that went along with it.

So it’s a requirement to show loyalty by holding on to EJ.

But the rest of the league would definitely not care that Colorado targets a dman in a trade, plays him immediately for 3 seasons, then signs him to a 7 year extension as a 21 year old, and trades him 3 years in.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I think we need to accept the fact that the Avs basically had Kadri as the least priority to re-sign, along with Burakovsky and Kuemper.

They came into the offseason with LOADS of cap space. They simply chose to move on from him.

It never needed to get to a point where they needed to move money out to sign him.

 

[Ararana]

I think we need to accept the fact that the Avs basically had Kadri as the least priority to re-sign, along with Burakovsky and Kuemper.

They came into the offseason with LOADS of cap space. They simply chose to move on from him.

It never needed to get to a point where they needed to move money out to sign him.

It was probably the plan all along going into the offseason. Offer Kadri what they could but realistically they knew he was gone. I don't blame them at all for prioritizing Nuke over Kadri. Assuming Nuke doesn't fall off, he's makes much more sense long term.

We kinda went 4-1 without Kadri in the playoffs. But that doesnt matter. Winning a handful of games with a injury or 2 is one thing. Winning large samples changes everything.

And let's not forget those two games came against an Edmonton team that had no business being in the conference final (and getting swept showed that), and a Tampa team who matched Kadri's injury with a completely hobbled Point.

I don't know if they necessarily have to have a legit 2c to start the season, I think Sastny could hold that fort down for a while, but they absolutely need to get one for the postseason if they want a realistic shot at competing for another cup.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

So, who is the slingshot on PP2 with Burky gone? Wasn't it JTC for a bit in the playoffs? Ew.

 

[Bender]

It was probably the plan all along going into the offseason. Offer Kadri what they could but realistically they knew he was gone. I don't blame them at all for prioritizing Nuke over Kadri. Assuming Nuke doesn't fall off, he's makes much more sense long term.



And let's not forget those two games came against an Edmonton team that had no business being in the conference final (and getting swept showed that), and a Tampa team who matched Kadri's injury with a completely hobbled Point.

I don't know if they necessarily have to have a legit 2c to start the season, I think Sastny could hold that fort down for a while, but they absolutely need to get one for the postseason if they want a realistic shot at competing for another cup.

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Kind of surprised what I keep reading some think the plan is going forward. I'll be floored if it's not this :

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Nichushkin-Newhook-Lekhonen

...and try to find some good deals for the middle-6 in free agency on day 2 and beyond.

Called it on April 11th no less.

Stastny would be a good add at this point for cheap for added depth and I think he could help on the 2nd line PP and in the middle-6. Newhook gets a chance as the #2C and you re-evaluate as the season goes. If he does well then great... If he's still too green then you might have to make a move but I believe he'll be given a real chance there.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Girard would have been the one to go. Not EJ.

We aren't run by morons like Vegas who treats their guys like crap. We reward loyalty. And the rest of the players in the league take note.

There was literally zero chance we would trade EJ who is the heart and soul of this team after a Cup win and all the emotions that went along with it.

Yet we were ready to throw him in the expansion draft. Sakic sees EJ having value around the team, otherwise he would be gone..

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

So it’s a requirement to show loyalty by holding on to EJ.

But the rest of the league would definitely not care that Colorado targets a dman in a trade, plays him immediately for 3 seasons, then signs him to a 7 year extension as a 21 year old, and trades him 3 years in.

Good point too. We have been very loyal to EJ. It's harsh business in the end. When you stop performing, you need to be replaced.. Teams can't have cap anchors taking down the team. Especially if you want to be a top team.

 

[EdAVSfan]

It was probably the plan all along going into the offseason. Offer Kadri what they could but realistically they knew he was gone. I don't blame them at all for prioritizing Nuke over Kadri. Assuming Nuke doesn't fall off, he's makes much more sense long term.



And let's not forget those two games came against an Edmonton team that had no business being in the conference final (and getting swept showed that), and a Tampa team who matched Kadri's injury with a completely hobbled Point.

I don't know if they necessarily have to have a legit 2c to start the season, I think Sastny could hold that fort down for a while, but they absolutely need to get one for the postseason if they want a realistic shot at competing for another cup.

Personally, I see the Avs moves going forward as quite simple.

First, they need to add one more top 9 forward. Stastny, ERod or anyone other guy willing to take short term and low cap hit should be signed.

At this point, I have to believe the Avs know what Compher is. He’s ideally the 3C or 3RW who can provide emergency 2C support in short term situations. There’s no evaluation of Compher at 2C to be done.

So that leaves the 2 remaining internal options for 2C, Newhook and Rantanen. If either can pass the adequacy test of a 2C, then it opens up different trade options.

In the mean time, bank cap space for trade targets while also keeping an eye on bonus overages over the course of the season. I have to imagine the Avs aren’t thrilled with all the depth they’re lost over the past couple of years. Not planning for the overages will put further pressure on the depth.

So, add another forward, evaluate Newhook and Rantanen at 2C, then decide if you still need to trade for a 2C or if you can get away with just adding another winger like Kane.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Personally, I see the Avs moves going forward as quite simple.

First, they need to add one more top 9 forward. Stastny, ERod or anyone other guy willing to take short term and low cap hit should be signed.

At this point, I have to believe the Avs know what Compher is. He’s ideally the 3C or 3RW who can provide emergency 2C support in short term situations. There’s no evaluation of Compher at 2C to be done.

So that leaves the 2 remaining internal options for 2C, Newhook and Rantanen. If either can pass the adequacy test of a 2C, then it opens up different trade options.

In the mean time, bank cap space for trade targets while also keeping an eye on bonus overages over the course of the season. I have to imagine the Avs aren’t thrilled with all the depth they’re lost over the past couple of years. Not planning for the overages will put further pressure on the depth.

So, add another forward, evaluate Newhook and Rantanen at 2C, then decide if you still need to trade for a 2C or if you can get away with just adding another winger like Kane.

It seems like it will be a 2C by committee with the hope Newhook makes that next step. But Bednar likes playing with lines so, similar to what you're saying, Newhook, Rantaneen, and Compher seem likely to be the 2C.

Since Rantanen has playmaking ability, they can maybe not require that from the 2C as much but they'd need to be able to finish around the net. That's more Newhook than Compher. But time will tell and Compher is in a contract year.

 

[Balthazar]

I think we need to accept the fact that the Avs basically had Kadri as the least priority to re-sign, along with Burakovsky and Kuemper.

Same thing will happen with Toews at the end of his current contract.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Same thing will happen with Toews at the end of his current contract.

I think many of us have outlined that as well. We’ll see if people are still caught off guard.

 

[Balthazar]

Assuming the core is Mack, Makar, Landy, Rants and (possibly) Byram, I'm not even sure we'll be able to keep Rants long term. This very well could be his last contract with us, especially if he wants 11M+.

Avs will have tough decisions to make. Keep the elite winger or get two middle-of-the-road top 6ers for the same cap hit. Depth is so friggin' important.