Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

[Alienblood]

It’s a shame Giroux was so deadset on Florida. That return is hot garbage.

He went for nothing
.Avs never offered much ..what a load of hype crap.

 

[JoeSakic13]

He went for nothing
.Avs never offered much ..what a load of hype crap.

I read the offers from Colorado and Boston were better than Florida, but they simply used those offers to try to increase Florida’s offer. Gotta wonder if this is an increased offer, what the **** did they offer before?

 

[Alienblood]

This is crazy talk… Giroux is objectively the more impactful player. And Helleson will get NHL games real soon

And he went for peanuts. Nothing substantial was even offered

When is Barron getting traded ?

 

[Alienblood]

This is crazy talk… Giroux is objectively the more impactful player. And Helleson will get NHL games real soon

 

[JoeSakic13]

And he went for peanuts. Nothing substantial was even offered

When is Barron getting traded ?

I believe Barron and a 1st was offered for Giroux

 

[Richard88]

Brendan Dillon? Can't see that at all.

Firstly Avs don't really need a LHD. Maybe if they're looking to upgrade the PK or something, but Winnipeg paid 2 2nd's to acquire him so won't give him up cheap. It would cost a lot for a very minor upgrade.

Secondly he has a $3.9m caphit for another 3 years so there's no chance of retention. We would need to send a significant amount of money the other way, at least $2.72m as shown below.

Copp $1.82m (50%)
Dillon $3.9m
----> $5.72m ($2.72m over our $3m deadline capspace).

Presumably Murray ($2m) would go Winnipeg's way as it's a bit overkill to carry 9 NHL Dmen, so there's $2m. Then add NAK to cover the rest. And then add a boatload of futures to actually start to pay for the value of Copp and Dillon

Copp (50%) + Dillon for Murray + NAK + 1st + .... Barron? I don't like it.

Other ways it could work money wise is if it's something like Copp + Dillon for Girard, but that's not happening. Or if EJ is included, but presumably Winnipeg would be on EJ's 12 team no-trade list.

All-in-all, I don't see this at all. Sounds completely made up.

 

[BKarchitect]

Do you think with Vegas recovering and Vancouver crapping their pants that Miller might be available?

For Newhook+ or Byram sure, he’s absolutely available.

 

[BKarchitect]

I like Copp a lot guys but if you guys think on this Avs team he’s anything more than a rental with Nuke needing a contract and a 2C hole to look at, your crazy. And I’m not giving up our last great readily tradable assets (2023 1st, Barron, OO) for somebody who can walk right into an overpriced contract this summer. Copp is not the guy to spend $4.5-5 million on a really long term deal as a middle six player. And he can easily get that this summer.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I like Copp a lot guys but if you guys think on this Avs team he’s anything more than a rental with Nuke needing a contract and a 2C hole to look at, your crazy. And I’m not giving up our last great readily tradable assets (2023 1st, Barron, OO) for somebody who can walk right into an overpriced contract this summer. Copp is not the guy to spend $4.5-5 million on a really long term deal as a middle six player. And he can easily get that this summer.

Why wouldn't we want to re sign Copp? If Newhook isn't ready for 2C duties he can fill in there and if Newhook is ready than we have a high end 3C who can spot as a 2C in case of injury. He would upgrade the middle 6 C spot a ton.

 

[Richard88]

I like Copp a lot guys but if you guys think on this Avs team he’s anything more than a rental with Nuke needing a contract and a 2C hole to look at, your crazy. And I’m not giving up our last great readily tradable assets (2023 1st, Barron, OO) for somebody who can walk right into an overpriced contract this summer. Copp is not the guy to spend $4.5-5 million on a really long term deal as a middle six player. And he can easily get that this summer.

Olausson
Foudy
Kaut
Ranta
Bowers
Beaucage
Ambrosio
Buyalski
Weiss (if signed)

The Avs are going to have to rely on some of those guys to step into NHL roles at some point in the near future, and with the notable exceptions of Bowers, Kaut, and maybe Weiss, most of them are downright terrible defensively.

With that in mind, whilst it might not be glamorous, Colorado are going to have to be heavily reliant on two-way forwards like Copp and Nichuskin to insulate those rookies when they make the jump, and given their importance it might make sense to pay market value for Nichuskin and Copp to ensure that they sign with the Avs in UFA.

 

[Gruyeriev]

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I seem to remember we were rumored to want Brendan Dillon the last time he was available but lost out. It wouldn’t hurt to get another D especially with G out.

 

[Avs44]

Do you think with Vegas recovering and Vancouver crapping their pants that Miller might be available?

The Canucks *should* be realizing that both cap-wise and in terms of prospect pool quality they’re in an awfully similar position to the Avs while being significantly worse. And they should be retooling accordingly. But nothing out of Vancouver so far has really indicated they’ve come to terms with that yet. Seems they’re kicking the Miller decision to the off-season…and then probably selling him for a lesser return when his agent demands the moon for the 98 point season he’s carrying the team with.

 

[JoeSakic13]

The Canucks *should* be realizing that both cap-wise and in terms of prospect pool quality they’re in an awfully similar position to the Avs while being significantly worse. And they should be retooling accordingly. But nothing out of Vancouver so far has really indicated they’ve come to terms with that yet. Seems they’re kicking the Miller decision to the off-season…and then probably selling him for a lesser return when his agent demands the moon for the 98 point season he’s carrying the team with.

Well luckily for us they play Buffalo tommorrow. If they blow that game (which they could cuz Buffalo has been playing solid lately) there’s an outside shot they sell before the deadline.

 

[forsbergavs32]

If we’re going to Vancouver for anything, I’d like Horvat. He’s got another year on his contract, so he could slot in as 3C this year and 2C next year, giving Newhook another year to grow.

 

[JoeSakic13]

If we’re going to Vancouver for anything, I’d like Horvat. He’s got another year on his contract, so he could slot in as 3C this year and 2C next year, giving Newhook another year to grow.

I’m not against that. I mean I’d prefer Miller, but Horvat makes a lot of sense too and would likely be cheaper.

 

[MacKaRtin]

I like Copp a lot guys but if you guys think on this Avs team he’s anything more than a rental with Nuke needing a contract and a 2C hole to look at, your crazy. And I’m not giving up our last great readily tradable assets (2023 1st, Barron, OO) for somebody who can walk right into an overpriced contract this summer. Copp is not the guy to spend $4.5-5 million on a really long term deal as a middle six player. And he can easily get that this summer.

I agree with this. I'd rather use the 1st to help pry away a cost-controlled top 6 option this off-season (preferably this trade deadline, but that ship has probably sailed) from some unsuspecting team. If we want Copp as an UFA, we don't necessarily have to trade for him now.

In terms of percentages, how much more likely does having Copp for this playoff run (assuming he can stay healthy) make us to win the Cup?

And how much more likely does saving the first rounder for either a later transaction or a pick increase our changes in the following seasons?

 

[Pokecheque]

6.5 is cheap for Lindholm.

Oh no it is not. Especially after the next two years or so.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Alright, I'm calling it right now :

To Colorado:
A. Copp, C

To Winnipeg:
J.T. Compher, RW
2nd Round Pick, 2024
Kaut, RW

...and there will be much rejoicing!

Until he inevitably gets concussed.

 

[Pokecheque]

Yeah I think Fletcher is lying. But whatever the case the Flyers just traded Giroux and the return was for a prospect I think has already busted. Good for Florida I guess.

Joe probably already knew something was up so I’m hoping he’s got another ace up his sleeve.

 

[Avaholic29]

I agree with this. I'd rather use the 1st to help pry away a cost-controlled top 6 option this off-season (preferably this trade deadline, but that ship has probably sailed) from some unsuspecting team. If we want Copp as an UFA, we don't necessarily have to trade for him now.

In terms of percentages, how much more likely does having Copp for this playoff run (assuming he can stay healthy) make us to win the Cup?

And how much more likely does saving the first rounder for either a later transaction or a pick increase our changes in the following seasons?

Firsts rarely work out when the pick is late, especially with the avs. Tampa has back to back cups as evidence how much trading your firsts can help a run.

 

[Richard88]

Just playing around with the Lehkonen + Dvorak idea to see how it could unfold next season...

Note that I've assumed for the purpose of simplicity that EJ doesn't get bought out or traded, but that's of course a legit possibility.

With the additions of Dvorak and Lehkonen, along with the re-signing of Nichuskin and Sturm, the forward group wouldn't be short of defensively-sound players who can insulate a couple of younger forwards.

Newhook would ideally take the 2C job to push Dvorak and Sturm down one spot. If he can that by the daedline, the main deadline target would be a 2RW; but if he can't, then it would be a 2C/3C at the deadline. Either way the plan would be to add a top 6 forward add the deadline.

Obviously Olausson will be a bit raw and it might be a bit too early for him, but the Avs are either going to have to give him a shot or give an opportunity to Kaut or Foudy instead unless they can find a cheap 3rd line forward in UFA.

In 2023 EJ's money slides over to Mackinnon. Newhook and Byram will need raises so you'd at that point have to choose which LHD to move in the off-season to make room (that seems like an inevitable cross-roads in most roster projections, especially with Behrens in the pipeline).

 

[PAZ]

Do not want anything to do with Dvorak.

 

[MacKaRtin]

Firsts rarely work out when the pick is late, especially with the avs. Tampa has back to back cups as evidence how much trading your firsts can help a run.

And Toronto and NY Islanders last year, and dozens of other teams over the last few years are evidence that trading your firsts can turn out to not to do anything for you.

I think Tampa's cups had more to do with Vasilevskiy (best playoff goalie in today's NHL), their top of the lineup talent, and their stacked defensive corps as opposed to, for example, trading for Savard last year.

Adding Savard last year (and Coleman and Goodrow in previous years) certainly helped, but I wouldn't call them the main differentiator between the Lightning and other teams.

 

[Avaholic29]

And Toronto and NY Islanders last year, and dozens of other teams over the last few years are evidence that trading your firsts can turn out to not to do anything for you.

I think Tampa's cups had more to do with Vasilevskiy (best playoff goalie in today's NHL), their top of the lineup talent, and their stacked defensive corps as opposed to, for example, trading for Savard last year.

Adding Savard last year (and Coleman and Goodrow in previous years) certainly helped, but I wouldn't call them the main differentiator between the Lightning and other teams.

You said it yourself. Tampa had goaltending, defence and a solid scoring core. They shored up the bottom 6 with firsts and went for it. Coleman and goodrow were huge parts of that run and doing something like adding two stud bottom 6 guys can most certainly push a team
Over the top in comparison to the competition.

 

[Richard88]

I agree with this. I'd rather use the 1st to help pry away a cost-controlled top 6 option this off-season (preferably this trade deadline, but that ship has probably sailed) from some unsuspecting team. If we want Copp as an UFA, we don't necessarily have to trade for him now.

In terms of percentages, how much more likely does having Copp for this playoff run (assuming he can stay healthy) make us to win the Cup?

And how much more likely does saving the first rounder for either a later transaction or a pick increase our changes in the following seasons?

The Avs have an entire 2nd line, 2nd pair RHD, and starting goalie all hitting UFA this offseason. They need to be going for it, not worrying about tomorrow. Make the moves you have to make to feel confident that this roster is complete. Don't look back in 5 years and wonder what could have been if only you'd traded for _____.