dahrougem2
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Again, no thanks to Adam Henrique. Not convinced he'd suit Bednar's system at all nor do I want that cap hit for another two seasons. Not with Nathan MacKinnon's contract extension looming.
Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed
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Bender
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Was there really anyone who truly thought that the Avs window was actually closing or did people talk about it more in a "mini-window prior to having to re-sign MacKinnon" sort of way?
In any case, to me it always seemed like the next MacKinnon contact was always going to be offset by the expiration of the EJ deal and a young D on an ELC. I still feel that way though I always imagined that young D to be Barron or Helleson. Maybe it will be Behrens.
After these playoffs, the next thing the Avs will need to decide is who they want to keep on the back-end. To me, it between Girard and Byram because I think they'll want to keep DT7 and he's going to want to stay.
Just as a stupid question, as Anaheim already has 3 players with retained salary, does that mean that e.g. during the Draft they cannot make another trade with retained salary? As that would exceed the maximum 3 until the start of Free Agency (and start of the next contractual year)?
Or is the system flexible enough to allow them to retain for the 22-23 season even if a trade is made before the end of the "contractual year".
If you catch my drift.
Or is the system flexible enough to allow them to retain for the 22-23 season even if a trade is made before the end of the "contractual year".
If you catch my drift.
Cousin Eddie
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I don’t think NAK is qualified. He just isn’t very good. I mean he’s a passable 12th/13th F but a passable 12th/13th forward needs to be making 750-850k. He just makes too much money for a guy who doesn’t really do anything.
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I think he’s been fine this year. I think he’s been better(at least equal) than LOC when he’s played, but his knack(pun very much intended) for committing penalties could very much push him out of the league.
John Mandalorian
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I don't see the point in swapping Johnson for Adam Henrique. The guy is playing better this year but he passed through waivers the year before, no? If the guy yo-yos or declines after this year, the Avs are better off riding it out with EJ.
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AvsGuy
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I feel like I've seen him do quite a few things since we picked him up for free. Considering the guys he plays with, he's really quite good at generating offense with minimal ice time. It's the penalties that will make or break his roster spot
I tend to agree that NAK won't be qualified. Too complicated of an arbitration case to take a chance on for a replacement level player.
I really don't see anybody taking on EJ that is on his no trade list without some nicer sweeteners. Dadonov was just attempted to be traded at a lower cap hit with a 2nd round sweetener. Dadonov may not be great, but he's a legit 25-25 2nd line wing on nearly every team in the league. EJ is a bottom pairing defensemen who is regressing hard.
Trading for a guy like Henrique just makes the situation worse for the Avs too.
"Scheme."
Sakic did parlay a buyout as part of the package to get Grubauer, and the cap hit from that was paltry, so I don't really count that. Just some savvy negotiation by the GM there.
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Vaslof
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It's fine, I'm guessing that was when he was struggling a little, probably no better time to see if he was willing to take a little security. I don't see any problem there.
Foppa2118
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No the mini window idea you mention was what those who disagreed with the window closing believed. Because there would be two windows of contention. Before the MacKinnon raise and then after. But both teams could compete. Those who thought the window would close disagreed with that idea and never acquiesced to the idea that the post MacKinnon raise team could still win.
If both sides thought the post MacKinnon raise team could still win, there would never have been any disagreement. Since both sides would have been saying the same thing. But that was the main reason there was a disagreement on the subject.
EscapedGoat
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It was always a "mini window". Or "this year is going to be out best chance at a cup" argument. I can't remember reading anyone that said this year is it and the Avs are toast next year.
Obviously that poster just wanted to pat himself/herself on the back for something that was never really said around here so they had to misrepresent the argument.
Foppa2118
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You don't know what you're talking about. How were there multiple disagreements involving multiple people over a year or two, if everyone thought the team could win after MacKinnon's raise? That doesn't make any sense.
It was backed up by claims that MacKinnon would walk if they didn’t win and that justified the all in moves some wanted. It was also backed up by comparisons to other Cup contenders only contending a few years, but those examples were always flawed IMO, because most of those teams weren’t as young as the Avs core.
And since some doubted how good Byram and Makar could be, they underestimated that the Avs talented young blueline would be a big part of why they could remain competitive for a long time. Which has since become more apparent.
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That's correct. The real obstacle to the success of this core will be Rants' contract.
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For the bulk of the past 4 years, the Avs have been a one line team. Before this year, yes they had secondary scoring but it was really streaky from some one-dimensional players. Maybe, instead of a 2nd and a third line, they'll have two super-sized third lines?
If they can figure at ways to get consistent contributions from players without overspending, maybe that will be enough or even an improvement?
Foppa2118
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Agreed. But hopefully the cap will have gone up by then and make it easier to fill out the roster.
Mikko's gonna cost a pretty penny at 29, but he might also be a guy that could still play at a high level later in his career, so maybe they can keep the AAV down with a long term deal.
GoNordiquesGo
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Obviously no one was saying that it was now or toast... people need to leave the extremes aside in those discussions...
But there was definitely a big group last year saying that Sakic needed to go all in last year because it was gonna be their best chance, that afterward it was going to be a downhill trajectory and that the window was going to start closing. Winnipeg was used a lot as an example.
But no one was saying that in 21-22 the Avs would miss the playoffs either... its all nuances and shades of grey...
But there was definitely a big group last year saying that Sakic needed to go all in last year because it was gonna be their best chance, that afterward it was going to be a downhill trajectory and that the window was going to start closing. Winnipeg was used a lot as an example.
But no one was saying that in 21-22 the Avs would miss the playoffs either... its all nuances and shades of grey...
Foppa2118
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This conversation wasn't a year ago. This conversation started about three years ago.
It was before Kevin Hayes was traded to Philly, because that was a big part of it. That Joe was blowing it by not going all in, because the contention window was only a few years after that, and that Nate would walk if they didn't win.
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