John Mandalorian
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Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed
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Avs won't need a defensemen. Could argue a wing or goalie, but Avs actually have some comparable strength on the wing.
Foppa2118
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Three years out and the only wingers and defenseman the Avs have under contract are Landy, Makar, Girard, and Byram. Girard could be traded and we don't know for sure what Bo's long term health will be.
They should just draft BPA on their list like always. The only position they should draft for need is in goal.
They also seem to have done better at finding defenseman than forwards outside the middle of the 1st round. If they like a defenseman, they can just do what they did last time. Load up on them and then trade them if needed. If they didn't have Helleson and Barron they wouldn't have been able to make the deadline deals they made this year.
Gatorbait19
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Listen after they get bounced in the 1st round again this year, itll be 4 1st round exits in 5 years and they could panic. If Dubas doesn’t get fired, he may feel like he’s got to make some drastic move. Whether that’s Willy or something else who knows.
I still would be surprised if G is moved myself, but with us likely losing Kadri and Bura we’re gonna have to make some tough choices.
They’re not gonna panic. In fact I think they’re fully prepared for another first round exit. They made moves to bolster the roster but they didn’t make any “all in” moves. No way are they expecting a long playoff run with the goaltending they currently have.
Bone Breaker
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I think when all is said and done, having won the Cup or not, they are going to re-sign Bura, Kuemper, JJ, Nuke and although they are going to try to keep Kadri, he will walk. unless the team completely blows in the playoffs, in which case I think not even Bednar would be kept, I dont see Sakic making drastic changes. the biggest one being Kadri, but because Kadri will want more money, not because of their will. after that, losing Manson, Murray, Helm, Cogliano... shouldnt be too hard to replace, even with the tight cap space. I do think though that a tough decision will have to be made regarding EJ. thats arguably 4M (or more) there that could be better spent elsewhere.
expatriatedtexan
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That really is a worse case situation. I'd almost rather lose them both than have Bura stick around eating up cap space and floating while Nuke leaves. At least then we have the cap space to at least shop smartly.
It is interesting after a pretty hot start to the year, Bura has really cooled off the 2nd half and has pretty pedestrian numbers for playing on the 2nd best offensive team in the league.
He might not even hit 60 points at this point. I think he's maybe played himself out of big money in free agency and honestly if the Avs can get him for ~5M I think its fine. He likely gets 5.5-6M on the open market and I hope the Avs dont go that high but if he's willing to take a small discount to stay here(He seems to like it here by all accounts) and sign for similar to what he's making now its fine IMO. Really no matter who you get in that 5M range, whether its Bura or someone else, you're going to get a guy who fights consistency issues.
If the Avs could sign Bura at say 5M, Nuke at say 4.5M.... they would have some cap space to work with for a 2C still, either via trade(Where they could dangle Girard to get a really good 2C) or go after Trocheck in free agency.
Bone Breaker
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I think that for a player like him, Bura around 5M is pretty standard business. people may hate him all they want, but fact is if they were going to replace him in the market, it would cost just too much (money and assets wise) that it would be better to just keep him. unless he asks for too much, I think he will be kept.
I think though that Nuke and Kuemper will be due to significant raises (not entering here in the discussion if its worth or not), so they wont have too much money to work. theyll have to bump Newhook up and search for some cheap pieces to put in the bottom six. unless, as I wrote before, they get rid of EJ. I dont see them trading Girard or dumping Compher, in both cases it wouldnt open much space anyways, after you sign their respective replacements. EJ on the other hand, could easily be replaced by a 1.5M-2M bottom pairing guy.
I only see them trading Girard if 1-Behrens is ready or 2-Manson is re-signed. and even then, I think the management values G more than most around here, apparently.
I think though that Nuke and Kuemper will be due to significant raises (not entering here in the discussion if its worth or not), so they wont have too much money to work. theyll have to bump Newhook up and search for some cheap pieces to put in the bottom six. unless, as I wrote before, they get rid of EJ. I dont see them trading Girard or dumping Compher, in both cases it wouldnt open much space anyways, after you sign their respective replacements. EJ on the other hand, could easily be replaced by a 1.5M-2M bottom pairing guy.
I only see them trading Girard if 1-Behrens is ready or 2-Manson is re-signed. and even then, I think the management values G more than most around here, apparently.
dahrougem2
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I doubt that's the plan. The Avs have their Burakovsky replacement in Olausson. Sakic has shown he's willing to spend money on guys if they're deemed worthy and irreplaceable. Burakovsky is a guy that's replaceable even though I do like him more than most and I think he takes a lot more flak than he deserves.
If Bednar has any say, there is zero chance Burakovsky is staying over Nuke.
Pretty much, ya.
Bura has his flaws, no question about it. But he's proven over the last 3 years with us that he can be relied upon for secondary scoring and from a 2nd line role he can produce ~55 points.
If you sign him for 5M I dont think that's a problem at all. The problem will happen if he asks for 6+ IMO, at that point I think we're better off moving on and targeting a guy like Rakell in free agency instead.
Gonna be interesting to see what they do though. Parting ways with EJ gives them some nice wiggle room to build a top tier contender next year, but they do really need to move on from him or else it's going to be incredibly difficult to construct a quality middle 6 next season.
Bone Breaker
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its bittersweet but I think that decision has to be made in the offseason. even if you decide on having Newhook replace Kadri and re-sign both Bura and Nuke, you still need at least two bottom sixers to replace Helm, Cogliano, Sturm... even more if they move on from Compher... NAK... those 4M+ will be huge in addressing this, specially since I dont see Ranta, Maltsev, Kaut or whatever being able to handle more than, perhaps, a 4th line role. only OO could imo play a bigger role but is he ready? IF (a big if here) so, then Sakics life would be a lot easier, could move on from Bura with no remorse and have another 4M to play with.
Ya, I mean Helm/Cogliano/Sturm won't be hard to replace and likely won't cost more then $1M for either guy.
But even still they'll need space I think.
OO isn't ready. People here seem to be afraid to talk about it but the reality is he just had a really bad D+1 years and his stock took a significant hit IMO. Still early and thing can change for the better but not even going PPG in the OHL as a 1st round pick isn't good. He need quite a bit more time.
Which is also part of why I'm fine with bringing Bura back so long as it's for around the same money he's making now. If you sign him to say a 5x5M deal, and if 2 years from now OO actually does make the NHL for us and is an impact guy, you can trade Bura at that point and likely get a decent return still.
But OO really hasn't shown any signs of being able or ready to replace Bura.
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Not a good UFA year to not have a 2nd line or assets to trade for players. Sakic's summer won't be easy.
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List of potential top 6 UFA's (not all of them will make it).
Gaudreau
Kadri (C)
Forsberg
Rust
Bergeron (C)
Giroux (C)
Burakovsky
Perron
Trocheck (C)
Ryan Strome (C)
Nichushkin
Reilly Smith
Palat
Malkin (C)
Domi
Rackell
E. Kane
Gaudreau
Kadri (C)
Forsberg
Rust
Bergeron (C)
Giroux (C)
Burakovsky
Perron
Trocheck (C)
Ryan Strome (C)
Nichushkin
Reilly Smith
Palat
Malkin (C)
Domi
Rackell
E. Kane
Freaky Styley
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I'd be shocked if the Avs didn't make a run at Trocheck. He (tro)checks all the boxes.
And Obv. resign Nuke
Trocheck, Rust, Nuke off that list would be a dream. Reilly Smith too, if he's looking for a Cup
John Mandalorian
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He's from Pittsburgh. If Malkin walks, you have to think Pittsburgh has the upper hand to sign him.
Freaky Styley
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if Malkin walks, let's hope it's towards Denver
John Mandalorian
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Trocheck will be in high demand and I don't see us outbidding Seattle, Montreal, Columbus, Ottawa and all the other teams with a ton of cap space desperate for a top 6 C. I think the loser of the Kadri sweepstake is getting Trocheck.
inb4: what if he wants to win a cup
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