Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

[BoxOfChocolates]

What about Blackwood?

 

[Pokecheque]

What about Blackwood?

Are you f***ing kidding?

 

[dahrougem2]

All the options suck though.

Varly (lol)
Fleury (nothing left in the tank)
Kuemper @ 6M X many years
Campbell @ 6M X many years
Gibson with horrible numbers @ 6.4M X many years (+ will cost assets to acquire).

Gibson with horrible numbers on Anaheim*

I have no doubts about him being great if he was on the Avs.

 

[Balthazar]

At least we agree the pining for Varly is absolutely ridiculous.

IMO the idea of Fleury for one year is equally ridiculous.

 

[Avsboy]

IMO the idea of Fleury for one year is equally ridiculous.

The ridiculous might become real. I think it's Sakic's plan: 1A-B Fleury-Francouz

 

[Pokecheque]

IMO the idea of Fleury for one year is equally ridiculous.

I don't know if I'd go that far but he's probably not a viable starter anymore.

Avs need something better than a 1A-type goalie anyway because I don't think Frankie is a 1B-type at all.

The ridiculous might become real. I think it's Sakic's plan: 1A-B Fleury-Francouz

Nope. Frankie ain't a 1B-type. He's a clear #2 and I wouldn't rank him terribly high in that department either. He's a decent backup...that's it.

 

[shadow1]

Are you f***ing kidding?

When I saw that post, I was waiting for your reply.

 

[Pokecheque]

When I saw that post, I was waiting for your reply.

I cannot believe anyone seriously thinks he's even worth getting as a backup at this point. Dude is a f***ing waste of time both on and off the ice. AND he's injury prone in addition to sucking donkey balls. Like, he's the worst possible candidate to bring forth. Worse than Miska--at least I believe HM is a decent person.

 

[Avsboy]

Nope. Frankie ain't a 1B-type. He's a clear #2 and I wouldn't rank him terribly high in that department either. He's a decent backup...that's it.

On this Avs team he can make enough saves

 

[shadow1]

I read a few weeks ago that Dubas was rumored to have offered Campbell $2.75 x 3 sometime in the season, but Campbell wanted at least $5M. Now I'm reading Campbell wants $6M, which I don't think is realistic at all. Maybe I'm off my rocker.

Based on the tax rate between Colorado and Toronto, Campbell's take-home on a $5M AAV contract with the Leafs would be $2.36M. To get that same take home in Colorado, he'd only need to have a $4M AAV ($2.37M take home). This is according to Tax Calculator | Gavin Group

If Colorado could realistically offer Campbell something like $4.5M, I think that would be a solid signing. That would still be a market value discount, but he'd be going to a team with championship potential. And the take home ($2.67M) would still be higher than what he was willing to settle for with the Leafs (previously mentioned $2.36M).

 

[Pokecheque]

On this Avs team he can make enough saves

Not as a starter he can't.

I read a few weeks ago that Dubas was rumored to have offered Campbell $2.75 x 3 sometime in the season, but Campbell wanted at least $5M. Now I'm reading Campbell wants $6M, which I don't think is realistic at all. Maybe I'm off my rocker.

Based on the tax rate between Colorado and Toronto, Campbell's take-home on a $5M AAV contract with the Leafs would be $2.36M. To get that same take home in Colorado, he'd only need to have a $4M AAV ($2.37M take home). This is according to Tax Calculator | Gavin Group

If Colorado could realistically offer Campbell something like $4.5M, I think that would be a solid signing. That would still be a market value discount, but he'd be going to a team with championship potential. And the take home ($2.67M) would still be higher than what he was willing to settle for with the Leafs (previously mentioned $2.36M).

I would not give Campbell that much. He basically had one good month, maybe two, and then fell apart. He's never been able to prove he can take on a full workload as a starter. He's never played more than 31 games in an NHL season. I could totally see him as a 1B type, but not 1A.

 

[shadow1]

Not as a starter he can't.



I would not give Campbell that much. He basically had one good month, maybe two, and then fell apart. He's never been able to prove he can take on a full workload as a starter. He's never played more than 31 games in an NHL season. I could totally see him as a 1B type, but not 1A.

Campbell won 31 games this year actually (47 starts). But I get your point that he doesn't have a long track record.

He had a hot start this year (15-5-2, .937 SV%), but then struggled after returning from injury in mid-December (16-4-4, .893 SV%) before getting injured again in March.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

The Avs brass like Samsonov so I think that’s a real possibility. Personally id see what you can get Campbell for on a 1-2 year deal. He’d be smart to try to get a year of inflated stats so he can cash in.

Gibson will just cost too much in assets.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Barzal would be a sick add and I think he'd thrive at 2C here behind Mack.


Girard + Newhook + 1st is probably too much though IMO. At thay point you're undervaluing Girard I think.



Trading for Barzal, re-signing Nuke at $5M and then signing Forsberg in free agency would be cool though:



Nuke - Mack - Mikko
Landy- Barzal - Forsberg




f*** the salary cap.

 

[The Pwnerer]

Colorado is one win away from the cup with really shaky goaltending, so I don't think Sakic needs to overthink it this summer.

The Avalanche are so strong everywhere else and remind me of the late-2000's Red Wings, who had multiple deep playoffs runs (and a cup) with the corpses of Hasek and Osgood in net.

To be fair, Osgood was really good in the playoffs, but he was facing like 20 shots a night. But that's pretty much my point. The Avs just need someone who can sit back there and not allow some terrible matzo ball goal because they haven't faced a shot in 10 minutes.

Agree with all of this. If we go the distance with <.900 save percentage, I think Sakic has the option to allocate the potential caphit of DK and invest it back to the forwards/defense. We could potentially keep an additional ufa like Kadri or Burakovsky. If the options for a long term solution don't look good, I think we'd be perfectly fine running a 1a/1b with Frankie and say Fleury/Husso/Varly.

Personally, I am excited for the prospect of potentially getting ufas on a "contender discount". Hoping this run shows players that this teams window is wide open and make them want to play here.

 

[Foppa2118]

Are you f***ing kidding?

What he meant to say was, "What about Blackwood and Patrick Kane?"

 

[Balthazar]

The Avs brass like Samsonov so I think that’s a real possibility. Personally id see what you can get Campbell for on a 1-2 year deal. He’d be smart to try to get a year of inflated stats so he can cash in.

Gibson will just cost too much in assets.

There's no way Campbell signs for 1 or 2 years. He's 30 and this is his only chance for term and money. Gru kinda threw a wrench into any "inflated stats" plan anyway.

He'll be looking for starter term and money and the market is starving for goalies. I think he gets 5 X 5 somewhere.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Gibson with horrible numbers on Anaheim*

I have no doubts about him being great if he was on the Avs.

It's a fair concern. He has not posted a better sv% than .904 in three years. Goalies post good numbers on bad teams all the time but Gibson simply doesn't.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

There's no way Campbell signs for 1 or 2 years. He's 30 and this is his only chance for term and money. Gru kinda threw a wrench into any "inflated stats" plan anyway.

He'll be looking for starter term and money and the market is starving for goalies. I think he gets 5 X 5 somewhere.

Who’s going to give him that? Obviously that’s the type of deal he wants but I’d bet he has to decide between either starter term or starter AAV. I don’t think he’s proven enough to get both at this point but he could in a year.

 

[The Abusement Park]

It's a fair concern. He has not posted a better sv% than .904 in three years. Goalies post good numbers on bad teams all the time but Gibson simply doesn't.

If there’s anything that this team has proven, it’s that average goalies can and will post good numbers here. Gibson would be the best goalie to play here in some time, I’m sure he’d be fine here.

Who’s going to give him that? Obviously that’s the type of deal he wants but I’d bet he has to decide between either starter term or starter AAV. I don’t think he’s proven enough to get both at this point but he could in a year.

There’s a lot of team desperate for a starter. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he got that.

 

[Balthazar]

Who’s going to give him that? Obviously that’s the type of deal he wants but I’d bet he has to decide between either starter term or starter AAV. I don’t think he’s proven enough to get both at this point but he could in a year.

One of the teams that will lose the Kuemper sweepstake. Could be Edmonton, NJ, Buffalo, Montreal, Colorado?

Won't be the Leafs but they are also looking for someone.

Plenty of teams looking for a starter. Demand is sky high but the supply is at rock bottom.

 

[McMetal]

Who’s going to give him that? Obviously that’s the type of deal he wants but I’d bet he has to decide between either starter term or starter AAV. I don’t think he’s proven enough to get both at this point but he could in a year.

Edmonton is desperate and will throw big money and term at somebody. Campbell could very well be the beneficiary of Holland's grasping at straws.

 

[Balthazar]

Edmonton is desperate and will throw big money and term at somebody. Campbell could very well be the beneficiary of Holland's grasping at straws.

Honestly he'd be a good fit there

 

[Pokecheque]

Honestly he'd be a good fit there

Ohhhhhhhhhh no he wouldn't. Leafs were at least twice as good defensively as the Oilers (and I wouldn't call Toronto elite defensively). Personally I think he'd get eviscerated with the Oilers' defense in front of him, especially with Nurse likely starting the year late due to hip surgery and guys like Barrie most definitely on the decline.

Also, people don't want to hear it but defensively, Matthews>>>>>>>>McDavid/Draisaitl.

 

[redacted]

I read a few weeks ago that Dubas was rumored to have offered Campbell $2.75 x 3 sometime in the season, but Campbell wanted at least $5M. Now I'm reading Campbell wants $6M, which I don't think is realistic at all. Maybe I'm off my rocker.

Based on the tax rate between Colorado and Toronto, Campbell's take-home on a $5M AAV contract with the Leafs would be $2.36M. To get that same take home in Colorado, he'd only need to have a $4M AAV ($2.37M take home). This is according to Tax Calculator | Gavin Group

If Colorado could realistically offer Campbell something like $4.5M, I think that would be a solid signing. That would still be a market value discount, but he'd be going to a team with championship potential. And the take home ($2.67M) would still be higher than what he was willing to settle for with the Leafs (previously mentioned $2.36M).

$6m is going rate for starters… Campbell is in the range.

Taxes are complicated and those basic calculators are far from accurate.