Denver is desperate for a QB.
Question would be, who the Jets are targeting at 9.
Slater or perhaps one of the CBs
Lock is heinous.
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Denver is desperate for a QB.
Question would be, who the Jets are targeting at 9.
Slater or perhaps one of the CBs
Lock is heinous.
Doesn't seem likely but if legit I assume the jets would have to add (a lot) to that assuming Darnold is worth a 3rd rounder at best.
Maybe but it's hard for me to imagine the Jets not making that trade already if they were planning on drafting a QB. There are only so many teams who would be interested. Regardless, even a 2 and a 5 is not enough to jump from 23 to 9.
false assumption
So is a 2+.
It is all about supply + demand.
We are not selling a dozen or a half dozen of something.
We are selling one of Darnold and only need one taker.
Darnold is tarnished due to:
- 1. his record/production
- 2. this is his last cheap yr, raise kicks in after.
However, it is obvious and factually true Darnold NEVER had weapons or, more signif, protection.
That is a huge pushback vs #1 above.
The skill level equates to his ranking where selected, 3OA.
If you put him with high end protection, and high end weapons, he will likely do well. That is true to some extent across the board for most, but also logically, the more natural ability your QB has, the more so this is the extent.
DEN is not w/o its own problems, but a 3 OA value + 23 + a little somethin somethin, could be solid add and immediate solution. If it works [isn't Jeudy a Bronc?] what accommodation SD and DEN mutually do to keep a good thing remains to be seen.
But it could be win win good value.
Not ignoring the legit need at CB.
That said,
If we could somehow finagle our current and future resources to wind up with
Wilson at 2
Slater at 9
and somehow get sewell,
that would be ultimate.
Sewell added to OT
and either Becton to other T or as a G; Slater to C.
Improved O and signif, improved D from increased time of possession leading to less time for D on field, = fresher, more productive.
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Would have to offer something signif at 6/7/8
and then make it worth while for CIN to give up on Sewell at 5 by going that later pick a couple of slots down instead with a signif sweetener.
Not seeing it, but that would make my day, and then some.
It might be Sewell at 9.
Slater just had a MONSTER Pro Day and could leapfrog Sewell.
Would be bad for Denver as a bronco fan I wouldn’t mind giving Darnold a shot but not for that price
Not unfathomable.
I rank Sewell as better at the tougher position, but fact Slater is close and has versatility of any OL position is signif.
CINCY must get its young guy some protection. If they do not deal, then it is a ? of whether they feel that is better accomplished with the closest guy, a C, or the guy typically taking the most heat from the best rusher, the LT.
Only way I see they trade down is if they somehow get enuf added picks in 10-20 ish of this draft to = getting high enuf quality multiple OLs, pref like 2 best Ts after Sewell, etc.
Cincy and Miami will likely jump on protection.
How so? Don't you think the Jets would have made that trade already if there was a taker?
you said ^
I said, false assumption.
which brings us to...
Activity has been fast and fierce.
Those who paid top top $ to move up, everybody else is seeing who is left to draft.
Maybe 6 guys hit top 10.
Say first tier top 3, next tier over next 7.
Darnold could be cheap option instead of paying to join that 2nd tier.
Or the alternative to those second three, if you can't pay to crack that slotting.
Denver has watched and has to gauge.
The dust is only now starting to settle...
Sure I agree with that but the number of possible suitors is dropping and the draft is only a few weeks away. That tends to lower his trade value. That and the fact that he is a three year starter and not an unknown quantity like Josh Rosen was.
Maximus
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I dunno some of y'all are being a bit overzealous IMO in how much you think Darnold is worth on the open market.
If the Jets got a 2nd round pick even a late one, they should start dancing the Irish jig as it would be a huge coup.
Realistically the Jets should hope to get an early 3rd and walk away happy. There's only a few teams who I think would even be willing to give up that much for him....Denver, Washington and Carolina.
Those teams could also address the QB position in the draft so like I said, Darnold's 3 years of tape despite no O-line, terrible weaponry and horrible coaching will be held against him and Jets really have no leverage especially if they are telegraphing to everyone that they are taking Wilson at 2.
If the Jets got a 2nd round pick even a late one, they should start dancing the Irish jig as it would be a huge coup.
Realistically the Jets should hope to get an early 3rd and walk away happy. There's only a few teams who I think would even be willing to give up that much for him....Denver, Washington and Carolina.
Those teams could also address the QB position in the draft so like I said, Darnold's 3 years of tape despite no O-line, terrible weaponry and horrible coaching will be held against him and Jets really have no leverage especially if they are telegraphing to everyone that they are taking Wilson at 2.
Darnold nets a 3 after the season regardless.
If it's just a 3rd, they keep Darnold for the season imo since the 2022 draft is better and will have a real combine.
KirkAlbuquerque
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I’d take a 5th for Darnold. He’s done here. Just get him out and give him an fresh start. We’re obviously taking a QB at 2
Maximus
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I don't see anyway shape or form that the Jets keep Darnold after they pick Wilson. It's not like Sam is a Matt Ryan type and Atlanta picks Fields and Ryan who's gone anyways after the season proves to be a mentor of sorts.
Sam is almost the same age as Wilson. I think it would be bad for team harmony if both Darnold and Wilson are on the roster at same time. I doubt very highly it will happen so I don't think we have to worry. Get a 3rd for Sam and move on!
to put this politely, eff these guys who think SD is gonna be an el cheapo special.
Discounted yes, but not virtually free.
If they don't want to pay they can wait until his current deal expires, and risk not acquiring if whoever owns him at that time does not want to extend.
I acknowledge his poor record here, but again, it is factually true and obvious he had zero support and zero weapons pretty much that entire time.
That does not forgive everything, but it does substantially mitigate vs it.
In the same way Ryan Strome was 5OA and blossomed under correct circumstances, so by parallel analogy is it reasonable to think a 3OA talent + SEA's 20 something 1st is enough for like 9 or so; + or - as a ballpark.
And would DET give us their selection a couple of slots earlier for similar deal but a bit more?
Who knows?
It's competition, baby.
Maximus
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As I said the other day, I really don't believe Darnold is going to get us anything more than a 3
And to be honest, it's not like we'd be selling him cheap or giving him for free either. For whatever the reason and we know what they are, Darnold has earned this distinction of being an underachiever and he's need to be a reclamation project for someone else.
Keep in mind another team is going to have to decide if he's their future or not at end of the season and he's going to need to get paid if you go forward with him.
I like Sam...I really do. I wanted him to succeed so so badly here. It just wasn't in the cards. Shit happens and bad shit usually happens to this franchise way way to much. Douglas has no leverage here tho.
Let's get hopefully a high 3 give hugs and kisses and let's move on.
And to be honest, it's not like we'd be selling him cheap or giving him for free either. For whatever the reason and we know what they are, Darnold has earned this distinction of being an underachiever and he's need to be a reclamation project for someone else.
Keep in mind another team is going to have to decide if he's their future or not at end of the season and he's going to need to get paid if you go forward with him.
I like Sam...I really do. I wanted him to succeed so so badly here. It just wasn't in the cards. Shit happens and bad shit usually happens to this franchise way way to much. Douglas has no leverage here tho.
Let's get hopefully a high 3 give hugs and kisses and let's move on.
If you had a choice between the following 3 options - which would you choose? Is there another option?
A - Draft a QB @ 2 (say Zach Wilson), take what you can get for Sam
B - Swap picks with Denver/Carolina/WFT (gain 2 future 1sts plus), draft a QB (maybe Fields, Jones etc), take what you can get for Sam.
C - Swap picks with Denver/Carolina/WFT (gain 2 future 1sts plus) and keep Sam.
Maximus
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To answer your question, for the longest time, I would have done "C" and thought once Douglas didn't go for any of the available O-lineman in FA, he was tipping his hand and we were almost certainly trading down, getting a haul and bringing back Sam for one more year.
Once that trade with Miami, Philly and San Fran was made, it became obvious that Douglas had made up his mind and was taking Wilson at 2. And so I'm resigned to that. If Wilson is as good as we all hope, well than Douglas made the right call. If not however, besides Douglas likely losing his job in 2 years, the Jets will once again be another 5-6 years away from relevance.
Jets and Douglas need to be right about Wilson....VERY right. I do believe that Wilson will have a better chance to succeed here seeing no question he'll have a better O-line to play behind...he'll have much better weapons and he'll be receiving much better coaching than Darnold ever had.
So yeah I would have went with scenario C of yours followed by B and than A which is the way we are 99% going unless someone comes to Joe and does a "Don Corleone" and gives him an offer he can't refuse.
East Coast Bias
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I actually think B isn’t a reality which makes the price of C much higher. It seems like the top 8 might be 4 QB and 4 pass catchers (3 WR and Pitts).
so if you went with a trade you’d do so intent on keeping Darnold.
I’m personally struggling. I like the idea of Wilson. Clean slate, he looks great. This is the way I’ve leaned for awhile bc i really am unconvinced by Darnold. But wtf do I know really?
I’m also really intrigued by C. More so lately. Give Darnold another year. Load up on picks. Build the line. Take Sewell/Slater at 8/9. Take a C at 34. If Darnold sucks, you have all the pieces to make a move for your QB. I know people are saying next years draft sucks for QB but who knows. If I told you Wilson would be #2 last summer you’d call me insane.
Maximus
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It really is. We say this every year but this is a hugely important draft for the Jets. Douglas needs to do better than last year. He did pretty good don't get me wrong but he needs to do as well as the GM from the Colts Chris Ballard always does.
Colts were a horrible football team just 4-5 years ago. Under Ballard and his great drafting and FA pickups they are now one of the top teams in the AFC and have the kind of team that could knock off the Chiefs or Bills this coming year.
If Douglas can be just 85% of what Ballard is, the Jets will be a good football team in 2 years or so. I think Douglas has what it takes to be a solid GM...now he needs to prove it...this year is crucial as he needs to nail this draft and next year....we'll see. Can't wait till the draft as it will be sooner than we think.
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