OT: 2021 Football Thread: Mock Draft SZN

[NYSPORTS]

Let's assume we are taking ZW at 2OA. Yay!

Now, what is our parlay to get a high enuf pick to still ALSO snag Sewell?

It would likely have to be SF or ATL although I would listen to CIN at 5, but I doubt they pass on Sewell as they need protection for their guy too.

Let's assume most offers are in play, but we are not moving Becton. Whole pt is to add to get signif result, not do pepsi for lesser coke.

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Worth considering:
Darnold is a fit for either SF or ATL.
I don't think they don't want to pursue a high end QB prospect, but if there is enuf on the table, I could see them trading from top 5 to second 5 [using their swag + what they get from us] and go w/that QB in that slot.

Consider:
Ryan is 36 yrs old. He can help mentor Darnold + draftee for half a yr then go to an SB contending team w/an injury later half of the year.
If Darnold fulfills potential in new environment w/real protection, great.
If that happens and the draftee is the real deal, that (Darnold) is another trade possibility for a pick.

He also is a fit for SF.
If SD can play well enough w/a good enuf team, Garropolo can go for a pick.

SF did not trade away all those picks to move up then trade for Darnold.

 

[bernmeister]

SF did not trade away all those picks to move up then trade for Darnold.

Hence my ?: what would NY have to add?

We have our own 2022 + SEA 2021 1st.
We have roster assets.

If Darnold works out, there is still likely to be a big contract hit for Niners NEXT season, but they have bought a yr til then. That gives them ability, for right deal, to move Garoppolo if they go w/cheaper mentor.

It depends who would take less for us to ADD a 3 or 4OA.
Grab Sewell
Then what's left over, look at Slater if he isn't grabbed by Bengals at 5.
I also like Slater, but want him for C or G.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Hence my ?: what would NY have to add?

We have our own 2022 + SEA 2021 1st.
We have roster assets.

If Darnold works out, there is still likely to be a big contract hit for Niners NEXT season, but they have bought a yr til then. That gives them ability, for right deal, to move Garoppolo if they go w/cheaper mentor.

It depends who would take less for us to ADD a 3 or 4OA.
Grab Sewell
Then what's left over, look at Slater if he isn't grabbed by Bengals at 5.
I also like Slater, but want him for C or G.

not sure where you are going yet it seems to be Part XXX of you want Sewell.

The 49ers are going QB and trading Jimmy G. They moved up a QB and not Darnold.

IMO, the Jets had better trade out or go QB. They will get smoked by this AFC if they walk away with Sewell at #2. That’s as bad as Barkley to the Giants at #2.

The Pats are loading up. The Dolphins are loading up and with these picks are going to be a threat. Buffalo is already loaded. If the Jets walk away with Sewell, you’re picking to 5/6 for a long while. This AFC East will smoke your team.

 

[Maximus]

After the events of the past few days...Jets are taking Wilson....Niners are taking Fields....Sewell isn't even in the conversation...period end of story.

 

[SRHRangers]

After the events of the past few days...Jets are taking Wilson....Niners are taking Fields....Sewell isn't even in the conversation...period end of story.

Think SF is taking Trey Lance.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I don’t like the idea of Wilson at 2. He’s a lesser prospect than Darnold was. Maybe our team and coaches are better now but we still lack a lot pieces to put around a rookie qb

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don’t like the idea of Wilson at 2. He’s a lesser prospect than Darnold was. Maybe our team and coaches are better now but we still lack a lot pieces to put around a rookie qb

I didn't watch Darnold in college but never got the hype from everything I heard. He didn't seem to be particularly great at anything and had a lot of turnovers. A lot of Giants wanted him because he reminded them of Eli, but frankly I don't think Eli was that great of a quarterback. He was clutch and had two great runs but outside of that he's not what I want at #3 (or for the Giants, #2) overall.

 

[sbjnyc]

Speaking of Wilson, I watched last night when my girlfriend finally fell asleep, the Kyle Wilson pro day on YT and needless to say I was uber impressed.

The Jets have sucked for so long it's like the car with the BO from Seinfeld.

 

[bernmeister]

Wilson types are not a dime a dozen but there are guys who can let it fly 50, 60, even almost 80 yards.

It is about intangibles.
The one good thing about taking Wilson is we reset on cheap QB cap for 3 yrs, which helps at other positions.

But I very much want us to parlay other assets to also wind up w/Sewell, and after him if possible Slater, who could be our C.

I am willing to take from other assets -- picks, some of the few good players we have --- and finally get a decent effin O Line.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Think SF is taking Trey Lance.

Lance is definitely a high-risk vs reward type pick, especially at 3. SF is really gambling if they do pick him at 3, but if they do, they must think he can succeed big time in their offense.

 

[Barnaby]

The strong rumor is that SF loves Trey Lance.

 

[Barnaby]

I know it’s not a sexy pick, but I’d have no problem with the Jets taking Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. He’s tough, smart, and will probably be a ten year starter at center. I wouldn’t be upset if they nabbed him at 34 although they might be able to dip down a bit, get him, and acquire an extra pick. It looks like Wilson is the pick at 2, and I assume they go CB at 23 unless they think someone is a much better value.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'd take Lance over Fields as well. Fields is not overly different than the rest of the hyped OSU QBs of recent memory.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I don’t like the idea of Wilson at 2. He’s a lesser prospect than Darnold was. Maybe our team and coaches are better now but we still lack a lot pieces to put around a rookie qb

Lesser prospect by who? McShay and Kiper? And really, does it matter?

At this point it seems to be the people who were in love with Darnold (after his draft season was so bad and everyone just obsessed over his tools) and rated him top of that draft are doubling down and blaming it all on the Jets. There's plenty of criticism for the Jets, but maybe they were wrong? Darnold is turnover prone, doesn't read the 2nd+option well, doesn't seem to feel pressure in the pocket though he's very mobile. Maybe some of that's coaching but a lot of that was known about him.

I'm not going to claim to be the QB expert and maybe Wilson doesn't pan out. But a whole lot of experts that were so high on Darnold are just willing to completely write off 3 years in the pros as nothing (even though his college red flags haven't gone away), and just choose to constantly ignore the cap situation surrounding when they say "well he was rated as well as Wilson is rated so just keep him"

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Lesser prospect by who? McShay and Kiper? And really, does it matter?

At this point it seems to be the people who were in love with Darnold (after his draft season was so bad and everyone just obsessed over his tools) and rated him top of that draft are doubling down and blaming it all on the Jets. There's plenty of criticism for the Jets, but maybe they were wrong? Darnold is turnover prone, doesn't read the 2nd+option well, doesn't seem to feel pressure in the pocket though he's very mobile. Maybe some of that's coaching but a lot of that was known about him.

I'm not going to claim to be the QB expert and maybe Wilson doesn't pan out. But a whole lot of experts that were so high on Darnold are just willing to completely write off 3 years in the pros as nothing (even though his college red flags haven't gone away), and just choose to constantly ignore the cap situation surrounding when they say "well he was rated as well as Wilson is rated so just keep him"

I still blame the Jets for Darnold's failure. There was zero fit and the team not only gave him no weapons, but also no protection. I don't see how a QB succeeds in that environment.

 

[bernmeister]

I still blame the Jets for Darnold's failure. There was zero fit and the team not only gave him no weapons, but also no protection. I don't see how a QB succeeds in that environment.

This is why the OL has to be top top priority.
Drafting Wilson gives us a cap reset at QB for 3 yrs and while Darnold is available anyway, makes his exit more palatable.

But that said, we must see if we can somehow use Darnold as a sweetener along with other assets which are primo [picks, Mimms, etc], and get another guy -- pref 2 -- to go with Becton.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I love how many QBs will be taken before the Giants pick.

 

[nyr2k2]

I still blame the Jets for Darnold's failure. There was zero fit and the team not only gave him no weapons, but also no protection. I don't see how a QB succeeds in that environment.

Yes, he was Mark Sanchez all over again.

 

[Maximus]

Think SF is taking Trey Lance.

I didn't think Lance would go that high hence Fields. That would be quite the bump for Lance. Niners must love love love Lance if they gave up so much to get him....we'll see

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I didn't think Lance would go that high hence Fields. That would be quite the bump for Lance. Niners must love love love Lance if they gave up so much to get him....we'll see

Lance would be out of left Fields.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Yes, he was Mark Sanchez all over again.

Precisely why I am not a big fan of the Jets taking yet another QB in this draft. I think Wilson will have more tools around him, but I am very wary.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I love how many QBs will be taken before the Giants pick.

4.

Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.

Mac Jones will go in the 15-25 range, IMO.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

4.

Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.

Mac Jones will go in the 15-25 range, IMO.

Bodes well for the Giants, I feel like.

 

[nyr2k2]

Precisely why I am not a big fan of the Jets taking yet another QB in this draft. I think Wilson will have more tools around him, but I am very wary.

The Sanchez thing was such a shame--it started out so well. He had weapons: Tomlinson, Greene, Leon Washington. Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Cotchery, Keller. Ferguson, Mangold, Woody, Moore, even Slauson was not terrible. Like they were doing a good job. Then by year four, it was Greene, Powell, Tebow (LOL), McKnight. Kerley, Cumberland, Schilens (LOL), Stephen Hill (double LOL). How Tannenbaum let that deteriorate the way he did, was criminal. Probably ruined Geno's chances of ever being decent, too. When your top targets are Kerley and David Nelson you're f***ed.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The Sanchez thing was such a shame--it started out so well. He had weapons: Tomlinson, Greene, Leon Washington. Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Cotchery, Keller. Ferguson, Mangold, Woody, Moore, even Slauson was not terrible. Like they were doing a good job. Then by year four, it was Greene, Powell, Tebow (LOL), McKnight. Kerley, Cumberland, Schilens (LOL), Stephen Hill (double LOL). How Tannenbaum let that deteriorate the way he did, was criminal. Probably ruined Geno's chances of ever being decent, too. When your top targets are Kerley and David Nelson you're f***ed.

100% that the Jets ruined Geno.