OT: 2021 Football Thread: Mock Draft SZN

[Barnaby]

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[NYSPORTS]

No one is trading a first rounder for Engram. I think you’re looking at a 3rd and maybe even a 4th depending on his contract situation.

one year left at six million. I’ll take whatever i can get for him.

 

[Bluto]

I'd give Engram away for free. Hes trash.

 

[RGY]

 

[Maximus]

Id be shocked if Joe took Etienne at 23. He’s been all about value picks and acquiring additional picks as well as value contracts. I think they’ll take a RB at some point, but would be floored if it was 23. I’d put smart money on a CB and wouldn’t be surprised if he traded down and/or went OL.

It's just a hunch about Joe taking Etienne or Harris there if either/or are starting at us. I know if I were the GM and saw potential difference making RB's like either or those two and I had a ton of draft picks in my pocket especially if I trade down from #2, I personally take the dive and take Etienne or Harris.

I get it's not convetional but Jets need to think outside of the box and either of those two RB's in a Mike Lafleur based offensive system I'm convinced would flourish. Besides since Curtis Martin left the scene, when was the last time the Jets had a RB that scared the crap out of an opposing defense? Exactly none. It's time...Jets need an explosive RB. I hope and pray Joe does. If he doesn't, I'll be OK with it but I do think it would be a mistake. Get Etienne or Harris...that would be fun and very exciting to look forward to.

 

[Maximus]

Ive never been a Davis guy. The guys I wanted were never available in Robinson or Goodwin. Juju is massively overrated. Is Golladay twice as good as Davis? He got twice as much money. I don’t think so. Am I psyched about Davis? Not really, but given the options, he was probably the best choice. If nothing else, he’s a far superior option to Perriman. I also think Cole could be a smart under the radar signing.

I'm not disagreeing with you on this. To be perfectly candid after seeing what the WR landscape was as like you said ARob and Godwin weren't available and Gollaway is getting paid like as if he's the Megatron, I'm starting to warm up a bit to the Davis signing.

There is certainly potential here and if Davis can stay healthy which is still a big question for me, he could possibly be just what the doctor ordered. I agree as well that the Cole signing is a solid one. For him to be our 4th WR is a huge upgrade from what we've had in the recent past.

 

[Maximus]

I think you’re reading too far into it. I’m not even sure Douglass knows what he’s doing at QB yet.

Those OL were never coming here. They would’ve had to be massively overpaid. Douglass hasn’t shown that he does that. He seems to like younger guys on shorter term deals. Those decisions had already been worked out with guy like Thuney to KC.

I’ll throw another angle at you. Maybe they hold Darnold to the draft. If no one pays up for 2 then they take Wilson. If someone ponies up with a Herculean offer then they take the capital and give Sam another opportunity. If you move Sam for a 2nd or 3rd today then you lock yourself into Wilson. The one thing I cant see them doing is trading Sam, then trading the pick, and selecting more of a project like Lance and/or going the journeyman route. I think they realize the fan base would riot and it would set the team further back.

Couple of things:

No way on gods green earth is Douglas taking a QB and sticking with Darnold as well. That just aint happening IMO. That would be a terrible move. If you draft a Wilson and stick at #2, you trade Darnold for whatever you can get and bring in a veteran I dunno like an Alex Smith type. But no way do you have both a stud rookie QB and Darnold at same time.

I don't think it's going to even matter cause I do think we are trading down...I'm feeling almost positive about it as I said, and I think we are sticking with Sam for one more "show me what you got with better weapons and and improved O-line and better coaching" year and if doesn't show mucho improvement...he's gone. What will be interesting is if and it's obviously a big if, if Sam does show to be the kind of QB we were all hoping he'd be, what kind of money would he command next year as his rookie contract is up.

I hope that would be the kind of problem Douglas would have cause that would mean the Jets are on the right track and were beginning to be a relevant football team again...here's to hoping.

 

[RGY]

Make this happen and its been an offseason for the ages. And we havent even reached the draft yet.

There were also some unconfirmed rumors of Giants interest in Clowney.

 

[Barnaby]

It's just a hunch about Joe taking Etienne or Harris there if either/or are starting at us. I know if I were the GM and saw potential difference making RB's like either or those two and I had a ton of draft picks in my pocket especially if I trade down from #2, I personally take the dive and take Etienne or Harris.

I get it's not convetional but Jets need to think outside of the box and either of those two RB's in a Mike Lafleur based offensive system I'm convinced would flourish. Besides since Curtis Martin left the scene, when was the last time the Jets had a RB that scared the crap out of an opposing defense? Exactly none. It's time...Jets need an explosive RB. I hope and pray Joe does. If he doesn't, I'll be OK with it but I do think it would be a mistake. Get Etienne or Harris...that would be fun and very exciting to look forward to.

Its generally considered a poor value taking a RB in round 1. Joe is all about value.

Add to that, the Shanahan system uses multiple RB’s and usually multiple cheaply acquired RB’s and I just don’t see it. That system doesn’t seem to go the old fashioned Curtis Martin bell cow way. I’d expect they have a few different RB’s with different styles who they deploy based on matchups.

To me a 1st round RB or TE is a luxury pick and the Jets still have a myriad of holes. Unless Etienne becomes a Kamara or a Christian McCaffrey then it’s poor value.

 

[Barnaby]

Couple of things:

No way on gods green earth is Douglas taking a QB and sticking with Darnold as well. That just aint happening IMO. That would be a terrible move. If you draft a Wilson and stick at #2, you trade Darnold for whatever you can get and bring in a veteran I dunno like an Alex Smith type. But no way do you have both a stud rookie QB and Darnold at same time.

I don't think it's going to even matter cause I do think we are trading down...I'm feeling almost positive about it as I said, and I think we are sticking with Sam for one more "show me what you got with better weapons and and improved O-line and better coaching" year and if doesn't show mucho improvement...he's gone. What will be interesting is if and it's obviously a big if, if Sam does show to be the kind of QB we were all hoping he'd be, what kind of money would he command next year as his rookie contract is up.

I hope that would be the kind of problem Douglas would have cause that would mean the Jets are on the right track and were beginning to be a relevant football team again...here's to hoping.

I wasn’t implying that they stick with both. I was saying that you hold Sam to the draft to have the largest amount of flexibility and leverage as possible. The most valuable piece that you have is the pick, not Sam. If you decide that the value isn’t there then you take Wilson if you love him. If you think it is, you deal it and give Sam a shot with an actual offense and actual coaching. You can make the argument that the best move is to hold Sam until the draft absent an absolute overpay no matter what you’re leaning towards. If you take Wilson then you have all draft to trade Sam. You can even push the return pick(s) off a year for full value if you must considering the Jets already have 9 picks this year.

 

[bbny]

Make this happen and its been an offseason for the ages. And we havent even reached the draft yet.

There were also some unconfirmed rumors of Giants interest in Clowney.

Too many Giants fans were worried needlessly about the cap situation. Gettleman has found plenty to do seriously good things this offseason.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Too many Giants fans were worried needlessly about the cap situation. Gettleman has found plenty to do seriously good things this offseason.

the cap issue is/was serious. Although there was plenty of 2022 space there wasn’t any room for 2021. So Gettleman lost Zeitler and couldn’t resign Tomlinson. Golladay’s number is less than $5 million for this year b/c the cap is too tight. Literally had no room to sign anybody until losing players to slightly open up 21 at the cost of 25% of the starting LOS.

Flash forward, if the 2022 cap rises approx $23 million for 22 that’s basically all the space the Giants have without flexing Barkley’s 5th year option. Add the 5th yr option come May and that’s approx $10 million. That’s w/o this potential CB Jackson and Jones on his rookie deal.

Doubt Gettleman doesn’t have a short leash with more looking over his shoulder or just doing some of his job for him, Zeitler is cut while Gettleman spoke about not backloading contracts with that smug giggle as if his audience is incompetent. Now all those signed have backloaded contracts.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Its generally considered a poor value taking a RB in round 1. Joe is all about value.

Add to that, the Shanahan system uses multiple RB’s and usually multiple cheaply acquired RB’s and I just don’t see it. That system doesn’t seem to go the old fashioned Curtis Martin bell cow way. I’d expect they have a few different RB’s with different styles who they deploy based on matchups.

To me a 1st round RB or TE is a luxury pick and the Jets still have a myriad of holes. Unless Etienne becomes a Kamara or a Christian McCaffrey then it’s poor value.

Yea they're absolutely not taking Etienne at 23. There's way too many holes in this roster.

Top 10 rushers in 2020 - Henry(2nd), Cook (1st), Taylor (2nd), Jones(5th), Robinson(undrafted), Montgomery(3rd), Chubb (2nd), Jacobs (1st), Gordon (1st), Zeke (1st).

Doesn't even include Kamara (3rd), Cam Akers (2nd), Chris Carson (7th), and Aaron Ekeler (undrafted)

you can get value plenty of places, plus as you mentioned SF gives 100+ carries to 2-3 guys per season. They never have a full time starter at RB

 

[sbjnyc]

It would have been so Jets if they traded for Watson right before the lawsuits.

 

[NYSPORTS]

It would have been so Jets if they traded for Watson right before the lawsuits.

So true

and is shaping up to be a humbling experience for Watson.

From a new contract and being disruptive to potentially having his contract canceled with no team touching him. We’re away from that yet time moves quickly.

 

[SRHRangers]

Id be shocked if Joe took Etienne at 23. He’s been all about value picks and acquiring additional picks as well as value contracts. I think they’ll take a RB at some point, but would be floored if it was 23. I’d put smart money on a CB and wouldn’t be surprised if he traded down and/or went OL.

Not at 23, but I wouldn't be shocked at 34.

 

[Maximus]

Not at 23, but I wouldn't be shocked at 34.

Etienne won't be there for us at 34. If Joe wants him and I hope he does as I said despite the conventional wisdom to not take a back in 1st round, he's going to have to use it at 23.

And do note, even if the Jets took Etienne, they would still employ a few other RB's as that is the kind of system the 49ers have employed in the past, so it's not like Etienne would be the bell cow as he's not built that way. He'd simply be the best RB the Jets have had since Curtis Martin which is good enough for me.

Jets have plenty of draft capital as I said to fill in all the holes they have and still take Etienne especially if they trade out of the 2 slot which I'm almost 100% convinced they will be doing. Take Etienne at 23 and don't look back!

 

[Taluss]

Gottem

 

[East Coast Bias]

Etienne isn’t even the consensus #1 RB. A lot of people have Harris there. It’s possible neither go 1st round.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Gettlemans computer guys are doing a helluva job. They can really do anything they want at the draft now.

I’m really intrigued by Rousseau.

 

[Adam Fox Time]

I just want to say that I love Joe Judge.

 

[Sayba]

Can anyone explain the Giants cap? I thought Golladay put them against the limit.

 

[NYRPat21]

Can anyone explain the Giants cap? I thought Golladay put them against the limit.

They structured the deal so that his cap hit this year is only 4.5 million and the last 3 years are about 21 million iirc. The cap is expected to jump up massively in 2022 post COVID on top of a brand new TV deal.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Gettlemans computer guys are doing a helluva job. They can really do anything they want at the draft now.

I’m really intrigued by Rousseau.

idk, he’s 21 and hasn’t played since he was 19 years old. That’s not much college experience.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Can anyone explain the Giants cap? I thought Golladay put them against the limit.

Giants are working on being like Dallas and Philly by backloading deals and facing a cap catastrophe if/when they resign Barkley and Jones lol.