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East Coast Bias said:
I would have rather gone with Samuel if we were adding a slot WR and moving on from Crowder. I just love his versatility.

I like JuJu. But I don’t know with his personality I like him plus the guaranteed money over Crowder and his money due.
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My top 3 WRs going in to free agency were Golladay, Samuel, and Davis. JuJu would be 4th or 5th, but I wouldn't have seen much of an upgrade over Crowder in him. If the Jets are going to add him and not move on from Crowder, it's going to get a little busy at the WR position. One thing with LaFleur coming from San Fran was that they used a lot of receivers in game, so maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
 
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RGY said:


I like this signing
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Gettleman having a solid offseason again so far. He brought in some real good players last year too.

I'd like to see him land Golladay so they don't feel pressured to take best available WR in the draft, and can focus on best available player instead. I've seen so many mocks with the Giants taking whatever WR is there.
 
bbny said:
Gettleman having a solid offseason again so far. He brought in some real good players last year too.

I'd like to see him land Golladay so they don't feel pressured to take best available WR in the draft, and can focus on best available player instead. I've seen so many mocks with the Giants taking whatever WR is there.
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I want Golladay AND Waddle/Smith. I an greedy to have the weapons for Jones so that there are no more excuses if this is the QB we are going to roll with the next 5 years or more.

I am not sure what would shake out with the TE situation. I don’t want them to cut Smith, I like him a lot and feel like he is a good player with talent and ability. He made things happen in his limited amount of targets last year. But lets just say they sign KG and draft Waddle:

WR1 - Golladay
WR2 - Waddle
WR3 - Shepard
WR4 - Slayton
WR5 - Ross

TE1 - Engram
TE2 - Rudolph
TE3 - Smith
TE4 - Toilolo

RB1 - Saquan
RB2 - Booker


I didn’t like the Booker signing, felt like they rushed there. Think they couldve waited out getting a proven vet on a reasonable deal. But either way that would be a REALLY deep group on offense. Golladay and Waddle give you a lot of pure talent. Shep in the slot where he does best. Ross as a mix slot threat that can turn into big plays. And then Slayton can go under the radar more with his speed.
 
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RGY said:
We need the big Receiver target and obviously a clear #1 for us. Jones needs it.

What are your guys thoughts on still taking Smith/Waddle/Chase at #11 if we sign KG? I think they should. Shepard’s contract is for 3 more years with a possible out in 2 years that would carry $4 million in dead cap. I am not saying to get rid of Shep but he wont be here forever. Ross is likely short term piece. KG may only sign for 3-4 years too. Slayton is a UFA in 2 years too and may never peak with his potential. A talent like Waddle or Smith could be here for the next 7-8 years during Jones’ prime years.
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great question imo. The Giants need lineman but that’s kinda boring. WR is the position i would likely target. I like Slayton, who knows what Ross brings although he reminds me of Mike Sherrard. Never been much of a Shep fan as his hands aren’t as trustworthy as a Welker and he doesn’t do anything special.

Big picture, wide receivers are pretty costly and that new TV contract starting in 2023 ( i think) will allow everybody to resign their players. Probably a good idea to stock up on them now b/c the market could be bare in a few years.
 
NYSPORTS said:
great question imo. The Giants need lineman but that’s kinda boring. WR is the position i would likely target. I like Slayton, who knows what Ross brings although he reminds me of Mike Sherrard. Never been much of a Shep fan as his hands aren’t as trustworthy as a Welker and he doesn’t do anything special.

Big picture, wide receivers are pretty costly and that new TV contract starting in 2023 ( i think) will allow everybody to resign their players. Probably a good idea to stock up on them now b/c the market could be bare in a few years.
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I think the O-Line is slightly above average right now. I have it currently as:

Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Solder-????

Peart, Hernandez

I know I am missing some names on the OLine that are slipping my mind right now. But I think you can still find a good O-Line player in the 2nd round. Maybe you trade Engram for a 1st rounder to get an O-Line there. And then go with an OLB/Edge rusher in the 3rd round. CB or another Edge rusher in round 4. And this is me not knowing all the picks we have or if we even have a pick in every round.

But I agree, I would stock up on WRs. You are likely walking away from Ross after this season and Slayton in 2 seasons. Golladay and Waddle are a high end 1-2 punch for the foreseeable future as Jones career starts to take shape.
 
RGY said:
I think the O-Line is slightly above average right now. I have it currently as:

Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Solder-????

Peart, Hernandez

I know I am missing some names on the OLine that are slipping my mind right now. But I think you can still find a good O-Line player in the 2nd round. Maybe you trade Engram for a 1st rounder to get an O-Line there. And then go with an OLB/Edge rusher in the 3rd round. CB or another Edge rusher in round 4. And this is me not knowing all the picks we have or if we even have a pick in every round.

But I agree, I would stock up on WRs. You are likely walking away from Ross after this season and Slayton in 2 seasons. Golladay and Waddle are a high end 1-2 punch for the foreseeable future as Jones career starts to take shape.
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Yeah, i have to think about the OL names too and feel i’m missing somebody. That’s kinda shaky. The right side is questionable and, well, Thomas was apparently injured last season and Hernandez has Covid. Not sure about the right side, hoping the left side is better and no depth. Hmm, not sure

Not sure what Engram is worth. Dropped balls hurt while the tip drill may have cost games last season. That highlight video (sound of silence) is pretty telling lol.

The Giants need a lot imo. I don’t trust Gettleman yet trust Judge simply b/c he’s not Gettleman. Will they go WR in Round 1 or trade back the Pats way?

WR with Golladay could be enough yet going WR at #1 is a huge weapons upgrsde and depth

OL - it’s a struggle to name players b/c i don’t think there are many. I like Lemiuex yet he didn’t play very well and Peartd, idk

The DL got worse although i like Hill. He’s more pass rusher than run stopper like Tomlinson

LB appears better ok and now add Ragland which is like a Pats move.

IDK - it’s a 6 win roster and the schedule, based on last seasons opponents rosters, doesn’t look as brutal today. Add in a few WR and Barkley has to be better,

Going to be an interesting 48 hours.
 
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I think the O-Line is slightly above average right now. I have it currently as:

Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Solder-????

Peart, Hernandez

I know I am missing some names on the OLine that are slipping my mind right now. But I think you can still find a good O-Line player in the 2nd round. Maybe you trade Engram for a 1st rounder to get an O-Line there. And then go with an OLB/Edge rusher in the 3rd round. CB or another Edge rusher in round 4. And this is me not knowing all the picks we have or if we even have a pick in every round.

But I agree, I would stock up on WRs. You are likely walking away from Ross after this season and Slayton in 2 seasons. Golladay and Waddle are a high end 1-2 punch for the foreseeable future as Jones career starts to take shape.
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I don't see how Solder fits in at guard. He's way too long.
 
I'm feeling excited for this season 'cause at the very least either this Giants' team is actually going to be good or we may... finally... stop having to hear excuses for Gettleman, the offense, Daniel Jones, etc.

Truly no excuses for an anemic offense after this off-season.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
I don't see how Solder fits in at guard. He's way too long.
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You’re probably right. Thought about it more and see it as:

Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Hernandez-Solder
Peart, xxxx, xxxx

I think Solder is definitely a starter and played into the decision of letting go of Zeitler.

I also don’t have much interest in Pitts. Take the talented WR who could be here the next 5-7 years with Jones. Should not be letting Shepard, Slayton, or anyone else beyond Golladay, hold us back from taking the WR. Quality TEs are constantly found in rounds 2-5. For me its sorta like drafting a Goalie in the 1st round. You can find that value later. As it stands Engram is here. If things change in a year you can revisit the TE position.

But I go the following by round (changing up my approach from previous post):

Rd 1: WR
Rd 2: Edge
Rd 3: OL
Rd 4: LB/Edge
Rd 5: TE/RB
Rd 6: TE/RB
Rd 7: OL
 
Maximus said:
Tho I'm still not thrilled about the Corey Davis signing, I am quite happy with the Carl Lawson pickup.

For first time since the good ole John Abraham days over a decade ago, the Jets should have an edge rusher who can make opposing defensive coordinators game plan for them and make opposing QB's sweat. OK Joe, now get us a cover corner and we can get the rest in the draft.

I got a funny feeling and this is not going to make some of y'all happy but I got a feeling Joe is going to take Travis Etienne with the Seattle 23rd pick. I know your not supposed to take RB's in the 1st round but Etienne is special and I think I'd take him there unless Najee Harris is staring at us which he won't be but if he is, I'd take him over Etienne.

Jets need a dynamic playmaker and either of those two would fit the bill. So I'm on board if this hunch that the Jets take one of those two RB's with their 2nd first round pick even tho the consensus is to not take a RB in the first round seeing there are others you can get later and the Jets have so many needs. Well one of those needs is at RB and why not get a playmaker there now that Jamal Williams, who I really wanted, is gone to Detroit?
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Id be shocked if Joe took Etienne at 23. He’s been all about value picks and acquiring additional picks as well as value contracts. I think they’ll take a RB at some point, but would be floored if it was 23. I’d put smart money on a CB and wouldn’t be surprised if he traded down and/or went OL.
 
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Maximus said:
I explained why I have misgivings about Davis the other day....the injury proneness...inconsistancy...etc.

But I look very much forward to be proven wrong by Davis and that he turns out to be a star and finally lives up to his top 5 overall draft status...sincerely I do.
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Ive never been a Davis guy. The guys I wanted were never available in Robinson or Goodwin. Juju is massively overrated. Is Golladay twice as good as Davis? He got twice as much money. I don’t think so. Am I psyched about Davis? Not really, but given the options, he was probably the best choice. If nothing else, he’s a far superior option to Perriman. I also think Cole could be a smart under the radar signing.
 
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Maximus said:
I said it the other day that Douglas tipped his hand when we didn't get any of the stud O-lineman that he was sticking with Darnold for one more year and will trade down from the 2 slot and get as big a haul he can get. I'd be shocked now at this point if Douglas stayed at 2. I'd give it a 5% chance he does. We are moving down. Hopefully we get motherload.
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I think you’re reading too far into it. I’m not even sure Douglass knows what he’s doing at QB yet.

Those OL were never coming here. They would’ve had to be massively overpaid. Douglass hasn’t shown that he does that. He seems to like younger guys on shorter term deals. Those decisions had already been worked out with guy like Thuney to KC.

I’ll throw another angle at you. Maybe they hold Darnold to the draft. If no one pays up for 2 then they take Wilson. If someone ponies up with a Herculean offer then they take the capital and give Sam another opportunity. If you move Sam for a 2nd or 3rd today then you lock yourself into Wilson. The one thing I cant see them doing is trading Sam, then trading the pick, and selecting more of a project like Lance and/or going the journeyman route. I think they realize the fan base would riot and it would set the team further back.
 
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RGY said:
I think the O-Line is slightly above average right now. I have it currently as:

Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Solder-????

Peart, Hernandez

I know I am missing some names on the OLine that are slipping my mind right now. But I think you can still find a good O-Line player in the 2nd round. Maybe you trade Engram for a 1st rounder to get an O-Line there. And then go with an OLB/Edge rusher in the 3rd round. CB or another Edge rusher in round 4. And this is me not knowing all the picks we have or if we even have a pick in every round.

But I agree, I would stock up on WRs. You are likely walking away from Ross after this season and Slayton in 2 seasons. Golladay and Waddle are a high end 1-2 punch for the foreseeable future as Jones career starts to take shape.
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No one is trading a first rounder for Engram. I think you’re looking at a 3rd and maybe even a 4th depending on his contract situation.
 
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