Prospect Info: 2021 do not draft.

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Who do you think is on Detroit's do not draft list?

Who's on yours?

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[HisNoodliness]

The Wing's list: I think Johnson is there because my biggest problem with him is that he stops moving his feet and Yzerman seems to shy away from players like that. He also sort of reminds me of Drouin whom didn't work out in Tampa.

My list: Mctavish. I just don't see the skill and speed I want.

 

[Dotter]

someone who doesn't have a motor with questionable work ethics

 

[lilidk]

Gunther , Johnson, Morrow in first round. I don't like anybody with high sealing, low floor in first 2 rounds. Better get slow , but skilled prospect, with high hockey IQ. For example , Clark , take him if he's available

 

[eulatron]

Kent Johnson

 

[Gniwder]

Gunther , Johnson, Morrow in first round. I don't like anybody with high sealing, low floor in first 2 rounds. Better get slow , but skilled prospect, with high hockey IQ. For example , Clark , take him if he's available

I would think Clarke would be on the list because of his skating, it's ugly. Stevie likes good skaters.

I would pick Clarke, but I'd have a plan on fixing his skating from the moment I draft him. Get him to use both edges. I trained ski instructors and had quite a few who relied entirely on their inside edge, made instructors ski on one leg, lol. (For those of you that ski, you don't understand skiing until you can ski on one leg with either leg. Allows you to vary leg to leg weight distribution, instead of relying on the outside ski.)

My list? Eklund, only because we already have small Euro wingers and it's not a positional need. If the team hadn't picked Raymond last draft I'd be OK with it.

 

[jkutswings]

Gunther , Johnson, Morrow in first round. I don't like anybody with high sealing, low floor in first 2 rounds. Better get slow , but skilled prospect, with high hockey IQ. For example , Clark , take him if he's available

How does Guenther have a low floor?

 

[lilidk]

How does Guenther have a low floor?

No, I tried to generalize my thoughts. Guenther and Johnson don't have low floor. Morrow does low floor high sealing.

 

[jfrank21]

It's funny, because I could be totally wrong, but Johnson is just too fancy. I literally subscribed to watch Big 10 games just to watch "the big 3" . I'm definitely not a Michigan guy. To me, Johnson had the moves, but they got him in trouble so many times. Watching that game by game highlight emphasized that big time. Maybe you coach him out of it, maybe you don't. At 6 overall, I don't chance it. You absolutely can't draft a bust at this point if you're the Wings. That's why I'm so hesitant on him. But if they do take him, then hell yeah, I can get behind him because the people who actually know something have faith in him. That's where I stand

 

[DoMakc]

MacTavish. Regardless of his position he won't drive the play in the NHL and as such is just a complementary piece on his line, which is my eyes luxury for 6th overall.
Johnson. I'm not sure if his game translates to the NHL.
Clarke. I think his skating limits his upside.

 

[Henkka]

I would think Clarke would be on the list because of his skating, it's ugly. Stevie likes good skaters.

Think it's the opposite. Yzerman could like bad skaters, if he sees the development room on them. Just like Brayden Point.

I would pick Clarke, but I'd have a plan on fixing his skating from the moment I draft him. Get him to use both edges. I trained ski instructors and had quite a few who relied entirely on their inside edge, made instructors ski on one leg, lol. (For those of you that ski, you don't understand skiing until you can ski on one leg with either leg. Allows you to vary leg to leg weight distribution, instead of relying on the outside ski.)

Just like you did wrote yourself.

Go after the skill and high IQ, and ignore the skating, if you can develop it later on. But you have to know somehow, is there room for development? Maybe Yzerman is a master in it, seeing it, or digging the info.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Johnson- just seems like a Jurco 2.0 type guy

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Johnson- just seems like a Jurco 2.0 type guy

He was Michigan's best offensive player at times last year and was over a point per game as a freshmen in the NCAA, actually playing tougher schedules because of how covid played out. I don't get the Jurco vibes there, his hands show up on ice more often than they don't. For a team that struggles to create offense, Johnson is a guy that creates a lot of it. Now you have to believe there is more in there in his skating, I think there will be as he fills out.

I get there is risk element though in terms of how slight he is currently and his desire to slow the game down at times.

 

[Killerjas]

For me it has to be Chayka and L'Heureux

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

McTavish. He's an Abdelkader level player, IMO.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

He was Michigan's best offensive player at times last year and was over a point per game as a freshmen in the NCAA, actually playing tougher schedules because of how covid played out. I don't get the Jurco vibes there, his hands show up on ice more often than they don't. For a team that struggles to create offense, Johnson is a guy that creates a lot of it. Now you have to believe there is more in there in his skating, I think there will be as he fills out.

I get there is risk element though in terms of how slight he is currently and his desire to slow the game down at times.

In my viewings, albeit internet clips, more often than not he appears focused on the fancy moves.

I just dont see him translating well to the NHL.

Again it's just limited views but I suspect thats the case for most posters with most prospects

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

as a johnson stan i dislike this thread

 

[Frk It]

I don’t think people understand what a “Do Not Draft List” is.

I think most of these guys maybe you wouldn’t want at 6, but I have a hard time believing you wouldn’t want them at 22.

Do Not Draft means they are completely off your board. I think taking Clarke, Eklund, or Johnson completely off your board would be silly.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I don’t think people understand what a “Do Not Draft List” is.

I think most of these guys maybe you wouldn’t want at 6, but I have a hard time believing you wouldn’t want them at 22.

Do Not Draft means they are completely off your board. I think taking Clarke, Eklund, or Johnson completely off your board would be silly.

Yeah I wasn't treating this exercise that way at all. I honestly don't have enough knowledge to choose anyone for a do not draft list in the way you're describing. I think it's far more productive to treat it as a "who would you be upset taking in the range they're projected to go" list. For example, Johnson is outside my top 6 and thus if I was in charge, I'd never take him at 6. There's no way he's there at 22 though. So effectively if I was in charge I wouldn't take him. However if the Wings took him at 6, I'd be cool with the pick so I don't think he qualifies for the purpose of this exercise to me. He's on my "not my preference list"

On the other hand, I'd be pissed if we took Mctavish since I think he's a ~15th OA player that we're taking at 6. Sure I'd be happy to get him at 22 but I'm pretty confident he won't be there. So he's on my "I'd hate the pick" list.

No one is on my "do not draft" list because if they're a good enough prospect for me to be knowledgeable about them, they're probably going in the first three rounds and I'd be ecstatic to get them in the 6th round even if their style of play or tools aren't my favorite.

The question also asked about the Wings Do Not Draft list. In this case I tried to figure out whose style of play doesn't seem like an Yzerman pick. I think Power, Hughes, Edvinsson or Beniers and Eklund are totally Yzerman picks whereas Johnson or Clarke are not. So that's why I'd put them on the Wings do not draft list. However if in the third round Clarke is on the board, no matter how much he's not an Yzerman pick, I'm sure he'd take him. Just like for my own list, I don't think I could name a prospect that's not in the Wings top 100 players.

 

[Gniwder]

Think it's the opposite. Yzerman could like bad skaters, if he sees the development room on them. Just like Brayden Point.



Just like you did wrote yourself.

Go after the skill and high IQ, and ignore the skating, if you can develop it later on. But you have to know somehow, is there room for development? Maybe Yzerman is a master in it, seeing it, or digging the info.

Point was a third round pick, project players are picked in the second round or later. Clarke should go somewhere in the first round even with his skating issues, but he's a big risk at #6. If there's a top 10 prospect that falls, I think he's it. He won't be picked with the #6 pick, but won't fall far enough for the second first round pick.

I don't have anyone on a "do not draft at all" list. No team should have list like that, it's an absolute mistake to pass up on any NHL capable player past the second round. Guys like Athanasiou (4th rd) and DuClair (3rd rd) have trade value even if they have personality and/or hockey IQ issues.

 

[Gniwder]

I don’t think people understand what a “Do Not Draft List” is.

I think most of these guys maybe you wouldn’t want at 6, but I have a hard time believing you wouldn’t want them at 22.

Do Not Draft means they are completely off your board. I think taking Clarke, Eklund, or Johnson completely off your board would be silly.

There is no such thing as a "do not draft at all" list. Teams would never have something like that because even the next Sean Avery (undrafted BTW) would have value in the 7th round, especially since Draper doesn't have an eligible child to pick this draft.

 

[Frk It]

There is no such thing as a "do not draft at all" list. Teams would never have something like that because even the next Sean Avery (undrafted BTW) would have value in the 7th round, especially since Draper doesn't have an eligible child to pick this draft.

They do exist, and you hear about them.

Normally only for guys like Ryan Merkley with serious character issues, or players with a significant flaw in their game.

But you will hear every now and then that a player was completely taken off the board for some teams. It does not usually apply to players in the top 10, so I don’t think people should be listing any of those guys.

 

[Gniwder]

They do exist, and you hear about them.

Normally only for guys like Ryan Merkley with serious character issues, or players with a significant flaw in their game.

But you will hear every now and then that a player was completely taken off the board for some teams. It does not usually apply to players in the top 10, so I don’t think people should be listing any of those guys.

You think those teams wouldn't have picked Merkley in the third round if he had dropped that far? How about the 7th round? WOuld you rather have Merkley or Kienan Draper?

No such thing as "do not draft at all".

 

[Frk It]

You think those teams wouldn't have picked Merkley in the third round if he had dropped that far? How about the 7th round? WOuld you rather have Merkley or Kienan Draper?

No such thing as "do not draft at all".

That’s literally the point of this thread, and you hear about it from actual scouts, but ok.

 

[Gniwder]

That’s literally the point of this thread, and you hear about it from actual scouts, but ok.

I'm aware they have a "do not draft" list, but I doubt that list extends past the third or 4th round. Teams will always take a shot at a kid like AA. It would be dumb not to.