World Cup: 2020 World Cup in Doubt if NHL CBA Reopened

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Four national teams, two national age group teams, one continental age group team and one continent minus four countries team. Considering that international literally means between nations and it was not only national teams involved, it was certainly not an international tournament. I can see why some only interested in seeing an all star exhibition don't care about that distinction though.

Something unrelated to the above, but I don't get why the NHL cares so much about not holding the tournament on the eve of a lockout. It makes the league look stupid of course, but a league that cannot go through contract negotiations without a lockout for a generation looks stupid regardless.

What words mean or do not mean is defined by people, not only by "dictionary".

Only 8 teams have ever won it. There's obviously more teams in soccer but there's still a ton of filler.

That's not related to how many teams can contend in a given year. I can name 11 or 12 countries that have a shot at winning the whole thing.

 

[Orange Dragon]

Think of all the super cool jerseys the NHL can design and sell with zodiac signs, bruh!
Scorpio can have like a scorpion on the front, taros can have a cool angry bull, cancer can have the Owners on the front. Lots of new revenue to be made there.

This is gold.

 

[mattihp]

Now announced!

The teams will have names after the players' favourite dorito flavor.

Cool Ranch will be captained by Crosby

Nacho Cheese will be captained by McDavid

 

[FiLe]

What words mean or do not mean is defined by people, not only by "dictionary".

[MOD]

Teams that represent "continents" are not national teams. And in the sports context, international means, by most common popular definition too, between nations.

Or did you happen to mean "yourself" by "people"? You can certainly define words whichever way you like, and tell other people to sod off if they don't like your definitions. However, the inverse also applies. You can't force your own definition on the larger populace.

Therefore I suggest the following - if your definition veers from the more commonly accepted one, you label it so, and everyone's happy.

So the World Cup was not an international tournament, but it was an international [True Hockey Fan definition] tournament.

 

[Jon Riley]

At the World Cup I have seen teams with red jersey, blue jersey, white jersey, black jersey and yellow jersey.
Too bad there was no green jersey, so definitely not an international tournament according to the made up definition of the term that I just pretend to believe.

 

[Lempo]

[MOD]


Teams that represent "continents" are not national teams. And in the sports context, international means, by most common popular definition too, between nations.

Or did you happen to mean "yourself" by "people"? You can certainly define words whichever way you like, and tell other people to sod off if they don't like your definitions. However, the inverse also applies. You can't force your own definition on the larger populace.

Therefore I suggest the following - if your definition veers from the more commonly accepted one, you label it so, and everyone's happy.

So the World Cup was not an international tournament, but it was an international [True Hockey Fan definition] tournament.

Technically 'international' can also (also officially I believe) mean mix n' match from the pool forming of persons from various nations, or in disregard of the national borders, so there's that.

Of course in hockey or general sports context it has traditionally been understood to mean the classic nation vs. nation setup, so it's intellectually dishonesty at least to suddenly go use the term for some other setup.

 

[zorz]

Hockey is just disorganized, minor sport. That's why all this is happening.

 

[TorstenFrings]

Only 8 teams have ever won it. There's obviously more teams in soccer but there's still a ton of filler.

And out of those 8 England and Urugay have not been anywhere near "a shot at winning the whole thing" in forever. Intermittently the Netherlands have had a chance. And Belgium constantly gets talked up, but nothing ever comes of that.

It has been 50 years since anyone other than Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, France, Spain or the Netherlands even made it to a final. There has never been a top4 team from NA, Oceania or Africa.

 

[Jumptheshark]

International hockey ain't dead. Most Europeans viewed the world cup as a joke

 

[Xokkeu]

And out of those 8 England and Urugay have not been anywhere near "a shot at winning the whole thing" in forever. Intermittently the Netherlands have had a chance. And Belgium constantly gets talked up, but nothing ever comes of that.

It has been 50 years since anyone other than Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, France, Spain or the Netherlands even made it to a final. There has never been a top4 team from NA, Oceania or Africa.

I would say next year

France
Spain
Germany
Italy
Brazil
Argentina
Portugal
Colombia

Are really the only contenders and some them are a stretch.

 

[TorstenFrings]

I would say next year

France
Spain
Germany
Italy
Brazil
Argentina
Portugal
Colombia

Are really the only contenders and some them are a stretch.

Yeah, I was going to say about 7-8 max and that was counting "Germany and Italy always have a chance to swindle their way to a title, even when they suck" and odd Cinderella runs.

What about Chile? They've been doing well at the Copa and that weird birthday thingie last year too. Then again, Portugal won the Euros and I'd laugh, if they came anywhere near winning the World Cup.

 

[Tuoppi]

Think of all the super cool jerseys the NHL can design and sell with zodiac signs, bruh!
Scorpio can have like a scorpion on the front, taros can have a cool angry bull, cancer can have the Owners on the front. Lots of new revenue to be made there.

This will be held in Dallas, and the name of the tournament...Dallas Stars

 

[Jablkon]

International hockey ain't dead. Most Europeans viewed the world cup as a joke

It was not a joke imo. Still there were best players, it was a great hockey and it was well organized. For me it does not really have much identity and reputatition. I agree that fact, that organizers tried to artificialy create reputation and aura of the best tourney in the world around it,even if most of the fans knew that it was basically first attempt with some very weird teams and no fans interest in final, certainly makes only contradictoriness reputation. Of course if its existence relies upon labour contract and its not even sure whether its happen or not, people can hardly take it seriously.

 

[alko]

China did this. They want NHL to participate and they want to have as many attention, as they could.
Sooo, without World Cup in 2020 there will be many many many hungry ice-hockey fans for the best tournament.
End of conspiracy window.

 

[JackSlater]

What words mean or do not mean is defined by people, not only by "dictionary".

Well, you've made the funniest post I've seen in a few weeks. Words have meanings. Your failure to use the word properly doesn't magically change the meaning of the word just because you want it to be so, though I admire the arrogance to suggest that the meaning of a word is wrong and should change because you think the word is wrong, not that you are wrong. "International" means between nations. This is what the dictionary says, this is what the root words say, this is what anyone with any common sense says when they see the word.

[MOD]

Teams that represent "continents" are not national teams. And in the sports context, international means, by most common popular definition too, between nations.

Or did you happen to mean "yourself" by "people"? You can certainly define words whichever way you like, and tell other people to sod off if they don't like your definitions. However, the inverse also applies. You can't force your own definition on the larger populace.

Therefore I suggest the following - if your definition veers from the more commonly accepted one, you label it so, and everyone's happy.

So the World Cup was not an international tournament, but it was an international [True Hockey Fan definition] tournament.

[MOD] there is a clear demonstration of the problem today of when people value their feelings over facts. Basically he is saying that it feels international to him so it is, stomp feet and facts be damned. Of course that is a laughable way to view the world, but it is what it is. A far more reasonable position is to take the NHL to task for trying to pass of what is factually not an international tournament as one.

 

[Lepardi]

Rigged in favour of North American teams? Canada was not able to select the Art Ross and likely Hart winner for this season and USA was not able to select multiple players due to the very rules of the tournament.

It's funny that when I said a year ago that McDavid should definitely play for Team Canada, most people defending the gimmick teams told me that no, he wouldn't make the team, and even if he did, he would only be good enough for small minutes in the fourth line.

I wonder if they still feel the same.

 

[JackSlater]

It's funny that when I said a year ago that McDavid should definitely play for Team Canada, most people defending the gimmick teams told me that no, he wouldn't make the team, and even if he did, he would only be good enough for small minutes in the fourth line.

I wonder if they still feel the same.

I recall many people thinking that he would and some thinking that he wouldn't. Most notably, Babcock was on record as saying he thought that McDavid would make the team in eligible. The idiotic eligibility rules didn't cripple Canada as they did with USA, but it certainly doesn't look rigged to favour Canada or USA.

 

[MaxV]

Look, I didn't like the WC format.

But it's all we friggin had. Now what?

I don't get it. Some of the most memorable hockey moments happened in international competition and NHL has ABSOLUTELY benefitted from it.

I mean, how about these suits compare the state of USA hockey per-1980 to what it is now. Do they think it had no impact on the league?

 

[Lepardi]

I recall many people thinking that he would and some thinking that he wouldn't.

Me too. The people who thought the gimmick teams were a good idea usually fell into the latter group. Probably cause saying Canada wouldn't have much use for McDavid made it easier to defend the brain fart that was Team North America.

 

[ThaiTanicDK]

I still dont understand why all hockey wont support an international competetition every FOURTH YEAR with best against best, known as the olympic.

Its only people from USA and Canada that I see is against it, all the while they "steal" our best players from our leagues with nothing in return, not even 10-12 matches every fourth year on the national team. With nothing in return I obviously mean we get to watch the NHL and can cheer for the players and the club they join, but for a lot of people outside America, international competition in sport is huge and seen as a huge honor.

NHL teams telling players from small countries like Denmark and Slovakia they cant go to IIHF and the Olympic (DK didnt qualify, but just saying) has a HUGE impact on the team, unlike teams like Canada and Russia that has enough players that the next tier of players can easily step up.

It blows.

 

[JackSlater]

Me too. The people who thought the gimmick teams were a good idea usually fell into the latter group. Probably cause saying Canada wouldn't have much use for McDavid made it easier to defend the brain fart that was Team North America.

Yes, I agree. Some people even conveniently tried to claim that USA wouldn't have picked any of the young players, even though the GM of the team officially asked the NHL to allow him to select young players, specifically Eichel.

 

[djpatm]

And out of those 8 England and Urugay have not been anywhere near "a shot at winning the whole thing" in forever. Intermittently the Netherlands have had a chance. And Belgium constantly gets talked up, but nothing ever comes of that.

It has been 50 years since anyone other than Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, France, Spain or the Netherlands even made it to a final. There has never been a top4 team from NA, Oceania or Africa.

This is what North American fans don't understand. Not every country considers not winning the entire World Cup as a failure.

Chances are pretty low that Poland will win the 2018 world cup even though they have an alright team, but if Poland made it to the Semi Finals again it would probably be the biggest celebration since the fall of communism.

Iceland had no realistic shot at making any major tournaments but they made the Euro cup last year which was a celebration in itself, on top of that they even managed to go on a magical run.

There are many countries where the World Cup qualifiers are their equivalent of the World Cup and simply making the tournament is a huge feat.

That's the beauty of something as grand as the Fifa World Cup. It's bigger than just who wins it.

The NHL needs to step aside and let the IIHF set up a proper World Cup with a real qualifying tournament. Let the sport grow in other countries and have the occasional minnow make some noise and inspire the youth to maybe consider taking up hockey.

 

[Zine]

Well that sucks. I was looking forward to seeing what gimmick was next.

Team left-handed? A women's team? Moving nets? 2 pucks?

 

[TorstenFrings]

This is what North American fans don't understand. Not every country considers not winning the entire World Cup as a failure.

Do you take me for North American? Because I am not and I fully agree. Just thought it was preposterous to say there were 12 teams with a shot at winning it all. Who?

Iceland was a great story, but the Euros, they really can be won by basically anyone. Denmark and Greece were two other great stories during my lifetime. Soccer is amazing.

I'd also like to add, that the same sentiment is true for hockey. Germany placed 4th in their last home WC in 2010 and lost by only one goal to Russia in the semis. I am sure that achievement was celebrated more than any WC win by a Canadian team has ever been.

 

[Guardian17]

It's too bad that we won't get to see as much international hockey at the highest level anymore.