GDT: 2020 NHL Entry Draft

[EdJovanovski]

So this is shifting from NBCSN to NHLN today, right? Will the NHL be streaming it somewhere as well?

I'm jealous you guys got Bob McKenzie and we get Brian Burke talking about fish all night

 

[Ola]

I couldn't sleep last night. Confession: It was the first time I watched a second from a NHL draft. Normally it is always during a Swedish summer holiday and I am out in the archipelago with no electrics.

 

[Edge]

The justification is they think he’s a good hockey player

That might be what's kind of lost in all this.

He's not an offensive defenseman, but Schneider has received a lot of praise for his awareness, his ability to break up plays, and his consistency.

In other words, this isn't just a guy we hope pounds the opposition into oblivion. He's a smart defensive player whom you'd project as taking on some brutal NHL assignments.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Dillon is not available

I know he’s not available. I’m saying those types become available EVERY offseason. They’re also far easier to find in the later rounds of a draft as well.

and costs literally 8x as much as Schneider will.

And a 2-way top-6C wouldn’t?

There are indications that Gorton will be filling the center position via a trade.

You mean conjecture and speculation? I don’t see any indicators of anything.

Like are we really going to find a guy that will be a #2C center within 1-2 years at the bottom-third of the first round?

Lapierre was there. So was Connor Zary.

How is it a given that Schneider will be in the NHL within 1-2 years? Size? Size isn’t a be all, end-all. The experts even said he’s not a plug and play type at this point.

 

[Ola]

I'm jealous you guys got Bob McKenzie and we get Brian Burke talking about fish all night

Haha. What was it Gretzky supposedly dropped when LAK put "Ekman-Larsson" on a sweether just to mess with him minutes before their pick (they then shifted it back to Schenn just before making the pick)?? It sounded something like "Gretzky was all smiles and in a great mode and then he saw "Ekman-Larsson" on the back of the jersey we had and the smile disappeared and the dropped his creons" or something like that lol. Was it a reference to creole? Why was he carrying around (miniature figures?) indians?

 

[RonGreschner]

I mentioned this late last night but count me as intrigued by a defense that could theoretically include:
Trouba
Miller
Robertson
Schneider

The reach, size and physical ability of that group is going to be smothering. Now you possibly add Fox and Lundqvist to that group? Jeez...

Don't forget Lindgren who might have been our best D in the Carolina series!

 

[NYRangers0723]

Look I admit I wanted a C at 22 but honestly I’m happy with the pick. I would have preferred not giving up a 3rd but it’s a pretty good bet that jersey or Columbus would have taken him. The kid is a real good defenseman

 

[EdJovanovski]

Haha. What was it Gretzky supposedly dropped when LAK put "Ekman-Larsson" on a sweether just to mess with him minutes before their pick (they then shifted it back to Schenn just before making the pick)?? It sounded something like "Gretzky was all smiles and in a great mode and then he saw "Ekman-Larsson" on the back of the jersey we had and the smile disappeared and the dropped his creons" or something like that lol. Was it a reference to creole? Why was he carrying around (miniature figures?) indians?

LMAOOO
He was talking about these

 

[aufheben]

I know he’s not available. I’m saying those types become available EVERY offseason. They’re also far easier to find in the later rounds of a draft as well.



And a 2-way top-6C wouldn’t?



You mean conjecture and speculation? I don’t see any indicators of anything.



Lapierre was there. So was Connor Zary.

How is it a given that Schneider will be in the NHL within 1-2 years? Size? Size isn’t a be all, end-all. The experts even said he’s not a plug and play type at this point.

From what Edge has said I think it’s more than speculation. Anyway it seems pretty obvious they’re likely going to trade DeAngelo.

Also from Edge:

I mentioned this in the draft thread, but it's worth repeating here:

Schneider is getting ready for his fourth full WHL season (not counting the one game he played in 2016/17). He's an older birthday who most likely will be turning pro whenever his WHL season ends.

In other words, he could be a pro in as little 6-8 months.

Ok and when they’re available you still need to pay them at least $4M x 4. That’s not pocket change.

 

[DutchShamrock]

And I freely admit, I probably would've taken a flyer on Lapierre there. But I say that was someone who isn't looking at the medical file. That's a potential game changer depending on what you find.

In the Rangers case, there was discomfort there. Now, interestingly enough, they seem to have had Lapierre at 22 on their list. But even then, he likely wasn't going to be the pick at 22 with Grans and possibly O'Rourke on the board.

Of course, taking either of those two would've triggered a whole different set of debates.

I respect all opinions based on some amount of information. It's a gamble even during a normal year with in person interviews, physicals, combined and more scouting.

It just seemed like the debate was morphing into "here are Schneider's flaws and Lapierre has top 10 talent". People know he has injury history, but healing is only one factor. If his habits trend towards reoccurrence, that's another consideration as well.

I get it. With the board shaking out, a big swing forward was enticing. I'm curious to see how today shakes out. If we get back to the second round, we can land another big talent with the depth of this current tier.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Grade A+ first day of the draft.

The Schneider pick will take time to grow on some people. I agree with folk saying it was 3D chess by Grotans.

Souring NJs good draft, which would have been a treasury robbery à la Wall Street bail out if they had taken Schneider, makes me very happy.

Solidifying and bringing in diversity on RHD also very nice.

One poster mentioned it, the thought of K'Andre, Robertson and this dude on the back end is exiting to say the least.

 

[True Blue]

That might be what's kind of lost in all this.

He's not an offensive defenseman, but Schneider has received a lot of praise for his awareness, his ability to break up plays, and his consistency.

In other words, this isn't just a guy we hope pounds the opposition into oblivion. He's a smart defensive player whom you'd project as taking on some brutal NHL assignments.

He is not what is considered to be an offensive defenseman. BUT, he has a GREAT shot from the point. So while he may not swish it and dish it like a Fox can, put him on point on the PP and you have essentially a bomber there. Something that I do not recall NYR having going all the way back to when Jagr put himself into that position.

 

[Kovalev27]

I didn’t sleep at all last night jeeeesus!

 

[Mac n Gs]

Someone needs to kick Brooksie's ass at the bus stop again. The Nils leaving in UFA concept is just so stupid:

 

[Edge]

I respect all opinions based on some amount of information. It's a gamble even during a normal year with in person interviews, physicals, combined and more scouting.

It just seemed like the debate was morphing into "here are Schneider's flaws and Lapierre has top 10 talent". People know he has injury history, but healing is only one factor. If his habits trend towards reoccurrence, that's another consideration as well.

I get it. With the board shaking out, a big swing forward was enticing. I'm curious to see how today shakes out. If we get back to the second round, we can land another big talent with the depth of this current tier.

Well, the middle paragraph does speak to something all of us do from time to time (some more than others): we tend to take the best aspects and highest hopes of the prospects we like and compare them to the worst aspects and more pessimistic projections for the prospects we don't like as much. That approach often creates the perception of a bigger gap than what actually exists.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I know he’s not available. I’m saying those types become available EVERY offseason. .

Everyone is confused because of the way you phrased it here:

Brendan Dillon is a free agent that’s basically what Schneider will most likely end up being.

 

[One Winged Angel]

See now I don't think those guys are available every off-season, certainly not in their 20s, and certainly not a cheap price point. Hell, Dillon didn't make it to free agency for exactly that reason --- and that's at 30 years old during a time of economic uncertainty for many teams.

Maybe not in their 20’s, but give me the 30 year old stay-at-home #4 at 4-5m a year and a young 2-way top-6C on an ELC over the high floor, low upside stay at home defender on an ELC and someone like Kevin Hayes at 7m a year.

Hopefully he ends being a poor man’s Shea Weber like some think and he’s a legitimate #3, but I have my concerns.

You're right Lapierre doesn't come around often either, but the health issues cannot be removed from any conversation concerning that talent. He didn't drop because a lot of people doubted the talent --- he dropped because teams couldn't have their doctors evaluate him and and many saw serious concerns with the medical information they did recieve. That's the gamble for Washington. They could have a top six forward, or they could have a sad story in a few years.

I never said to remove the health concerns from the discussion. That’s why I specifically said that I give the Rangers the free pass in this aspect, being that their doctors couldn’t evaluate him.

I just think at 22, with your 2nd pick in the first round and a glaring need at C, you could afford to take a swing on Lapierre there, especially when next year’s draft is going to be incredibly weak.

Zary could be, and the Rangers were higher on him earlier in the season. There's some concern about upside there, and that's valid. You might be looking at a jack of all trades second line center, or you could be looking at a very nice third line center. Push comes to shove, I think board reaction would probably be somewhat similar to this --- especially if they passed on Lapierre to take Zary.

Would I have been disappointed? Sure, a little, but at least Zary would have been a higher upside pick there and I’d understand not only passing on Lapierre for the medical concerns, but trading up to get a potential 2C.

Where he plays remains to be seen. I don't think get too far ahead with figuring out who plays where. Three years ago we were concerned about which of the two rookie centers we drafted would be relegated to the fourth because of the presence of Zibanejad and Hayes. A year later we were wondering about how Howden, Chytil and Andersson were all going to fit and some didn't want to part with Hayes. Today, fans are saying center is a need we have to dress sooner rather than later.

Point being, things change.

Fair, but at the same time I keep seeing people talking about him helping sooner than later. If that’s the case, then I think my question is a more than valid question and something that needs addressing sooner than later.

ADA probably isn't here for the long-haul. So that's a factor. Lundkvist is a stud prospect, but then that's it. There's really not much else coming up behind him. Maybe Skinner, but I don't think anyone is passing on their BPA for him.

As for the first part, maybe, maybe not.

As for the last part, I agree. That’s valid.

There's going to be movement in the next 12-36 months. You're going to see some interesting trades, that come with high costs. Maybe that's ADA. Maybe it's even Lundkvist. Could certainly be Schneider. We don't know yet. But what I do know is that we have talent and diversity on the right side and the ability to absorb a trade, or unexpected life events, and hopefully work from a position of strength if it all works out.

Completely agree with all of this. It’s definitely something that will be discussed heavily on here over the next however many months.

 

[Savant]

For what I saw of Schneider his strength is definitely his ability to break up plays.

My issue is I think he is a one dimensional player in that regard. I really don’t think offense is coming. I don’t see upside there at all. Don’t think he has a great shot. He can pass it, but seems like he needs time to set himself up. Don’t think he has a great processor when it comes to offense.

I don’t think this is a particularly unique player. I’m not saying this is a bust either, but it’s simply not a pick that I like. Which is fine. I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Someone needs to kick Brooksie's ass at the bus stop again. The Nils leaving in UFA concept is just so stupid:

I did have the thought of them using Nils as a chip after this pick though.

Schneider is not plug and play, but he isn't far away.

 

[TheBPA]

Not saying he will become these guys, but Brett Pesce and Jaccob Slavin are defensemen where their best strength is breaking up plays - they don't really put up points. They are some of the most valuable defensemen in the league.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

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Strome to Ottawa?

 

[Mac n Gs]

I did have the thought of them using Nils as a chip after this pick though.

Schneider is not plug and play, but he isn't far away.

I mean...that's one hell of a trade chip. Nils is arguably the best defensive prospect outside of the NHL right now besides maybe Bowen Byram. I don't think they're moving him for anything less than a player that they see as a long-term fit with this new young core.

 

[lakeshirts37]

schneider+cap space>skjei

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't believe Larry about Lundkvist. There is nothing to suggest he wants to pick his spot. @Amazing Kreiderman has told us multiple times if not for COVID, Nils would have signed and would have been playing in Hartford right now

He's farming for clicks

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

That might be what's kind of lost in all this.

He's not an offensive defenseman, but Schneider has received a lot of praise for his awareness, his ability to break up plays, and his consistency.

In other words, this isn't just a guy we hope pounds the opposition into oblivion. He's a smart defensive player whom you'd project as taking on some brutal NHL assignments.

I get all of it. It's still hard for me to get past the fact that we traded up to grab a guy who plays a position that is already such an organizational strength. Especially when there was such talent at Center still on the board. The move, in a vacuum makes zero sense. Now, if we go out and land a 2C for a package that includes some of our RD depth? Then this all starts to make a bit more sense.