GDT: 2020 NHL Entry Draft

[Rangers in 7]

I like Schneider just not for us
We lose a third rounder in a deep draft to select someone for a position i see no openings for for at least 5 years meanwhile there were plenty of Cs there for the pickens at 22
If we stay at 22 and take Schneider then i could live with it
My preference was trading back not up and grabbing marat + having a 2nd and keeping our 3rd rounder
And we could have targeted Faber who i like almost as much as Schneider plus we could get Hirvonen or another C
My biggest fear is they want schneider to free up trading both tda and lundvist
I dont see schneider nearly as good as Lundvist
In fact schneider on this team is our future 3rd pair RD
U dont select a 3rd pair RD in the 1st round especially when we are so thin at the most important position..CENTER
With all this said i welcome him to the rangers

Dude back up off the ledge, he’s not a third pair guy. Most people in the industry had him as a top 15 pick. You always draft bpa and that’s what we did

 

[will1066]

Is 2nd round being televised?

 

[rangers1314]

Is 2nd round being televised?

11:30 on NHLN

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Is 2nd round being televised?

Can't imagine what the hell they would have on in place of it? Not 100% sure though. I'm sure NHL will provide a stream.

 

[SML2]

I know this team has blown it more often than not at the draft table, but the one constant is that I trust a room full of guys who are actually in the business more than I trust 99% of the crew on this Muppet pirate ship. I started playing a game a while back with the draft. I write down our picks, then I write down who I would have taken based on who was left on the board at the time. Then I seal it up in an envelope and see what happens. Usually I lose the envelope, but the times I dont and take a look back, I realize that I'm not a pro scout for a reason.
Look through the history of our third round picks and tell me that's an asset worth losing sleep over.
Good luck Schneider. Saying that just gave me a "One Day at a time" flashback. Valerie Bertinelli, I would have traded up for you in a heartbeat...

 

[Cmox]

Saying that just gave me a "One Day at a time" flashback. Valerie Bertinelli, I would have traded up for you in a heartbeat...

Well she is single now....too soon?



side note : I have no clue if they were still married. RIP Eddie

 

[Edge]

I like Schneider just not for us
We lose a third rounder in a deep draft to select someone for a position i see no openings for for at least 5 years meanwhile there were plenty of Cs there for the pickens at 22
If we stay at 22 and take Schneider then i could live with it
My preference was trading back not up and grabbing marat + having a 2nd and keeping our 3rd rounder
And we could have targeted Faber who i like almost as much as Schneider plus we could get Hirvonen or another C
My biggest fear is they want schneider to free up trading both tda and lundvist
I dont see schneider nearly as good as Lundvist
In fact schneider on this team is our future 3rd pair RD
U dont select a 3rd pair RD in the 1st round especially when we are so thin at the most important position..CENTER
With all this said i welcome him to the rangers

I do feel like a third rounder is a reasonable price. We had two of them, we used one.

In this case, Schneider is projected by most to be more of a second pairing type. But more important, I do think this is an attempt to find the guys fans always complain they don’t have (and need) to compete in the playoffs. In other words, while people obsess with “skill” at drafts, they end up focusing on “role” at the deadline. The latter being a big reason why teams move “skill” for players that make for a balanced and complete roster every spring.

And as a board, we’re not immune to that. We want to be hard to play against. We don’t want other teams to walk around our zone unchallenged. But then we fall in love with the opposite on draft day and are shocked when teams set a premium price for those types, or when they never reach UFA status until they’re 30 or 31.

Could they have taken a center here? Sure.

And then we can talk about level of competition, or consistency, or work ethic, or ability to translate those skills.

I think the hope that an answer was waiting for us at center outweighed the reality of what was on the board at this point.

Yeah, perhaps you can trade down. But that requires the right partner, with the right mindset, and the right picks, at the right time, with no guarantee the guy you targeted is still on the board.

Maybe you can come away with Grans and a guy you ranked in the 20s. Or maybe you miss out on both and you just passed for the 12th guy on your list in order to take the 25th and the 40th.

 

[One Winged Angel]

The Rangers believed, correct or incorrect, that Schneider wasn’t making it past both New Jersey and Columbus.

Fo the cost of a third, I can live with the trade up. That’s about as small of a price as you’re going to pay to move up in the first.

It wasn’t about the price for me. It’s about trading up for a player who I feel would have been available and for the type of player that is often available in free agency. Brendan Dillon is a free agent that’s basically what Schneider will most likely end up being. A player like Lapierre doesn’t just come along in free agency every day. There are Dillon/Schneider types available EVERY offseason.

They might not have felt that way, but we’ll never know what other teams boards look like.

With Lapierre the concern is always going to be health. The talent is there, and maybe he shines for three years. But there’s also the risk that he’s knocked out of the sport sooner rather than later. For whatever reason, right or wrong, the Rangers were spooked by the medical reports. That’s where that decision came from.

I get that but reports came out saying that it wasn’t full blown concussions. I give them the pass on that in this instance because team doctors weren’t allowed to see prospects this year, which is bullshit. I think if the team doctors would have been able to see Lapierre, they might have had a different outlook. Then again, so might have 10 or so other teams, maybe more.

My concern with using “toughness” is that it’s become a derogatory term that gets applied liberally and without appropriate context.

Is Schneider tough? Yeah. He’s mean and he’s aggressive and he is difficult to play against. But he’s not a guy going out of his way to make checks, or dropping the gloves all the time. He’s tough in the sense that McD was tough - he’s all over his opponents and smothers them.

I never said Schneider was like McIlrath in that sense. I think he’s better. He’s a better skater, better defender. The Rangers reached HARD and were tricked by a smokescreen into doing so. Schneider is not nearly the reach that McIlrath was. I was just pointing out how there’s similarities in the approach. Getting smacked around by a much more physical team, needing some toughness, drafting the tough stay at home defender, etc.

Schneider is a far and away better defender than McIlrath. Anyone who thinks it’s close hasn’t seen either play.

I think most people’s problems with Schneider is that they were focused on other players. That’s fine, but that’s not a reflection on Schneider as a prospect. He can’t control that.

Agreed and I’ve basically alluded to that first part. I also never said it was any type of reflection on Schneider. I think he’s going to be a solid #4. I just would have taken the swing on Lapierre, with an extra late 1st, when they could have afforded to do so.

If we’re judging him on his play, and not our preferences for the Rangers, there’s actually nothing wrong with him at 19. Hell, last week we had no problem voting him as the 15th player off the board in our mock draft.

He’s been mocked at higher than 15. I’ve seen him mocked as high as 12. Again, let me be clear in saying that I don’t think there’s anything wrong with him at 19. If he would have been taken there, I wouldn’t have criticized the team who took him if the Rangers stayed at 22. I just prefer the player who I think is the more talented player and has a higher upside.

Also, if not Lapierre, then Zary. Zary could also be a very good 2C at the NHL level.

EDIT: Also, where is Schneider playing? RD is clogged and he’s probably 5th on the organizational depth chart at that position as of right now. If he can play LD, sure, but I wouldn’t move anyone ahead of him just so he can play there.

 

[Savant]

@One Winged Angel Dillon re-signed.

 

[aufheben]

It wasn’t about the price for me. It’s about trading up for a player who I feel would have been available and for the type of player that is often available in free agency. Brendan Dillon is a free agent that’s basically what Schneider will most likely end up being. A player like Lapierre doesn’t just come along in free agency every day. There are Dillon/Schneider types available EVERY offseason.

They might not have felt that way, but we’ll never know what other teams boards look like.



I get that but reports came out saying that it wasn’t full blown concussions. I give them the pass on that in this instance because team doctors weren’t allowed to see prospects this year, which is bullshit. I think if the team doctors would have been able to see Lapierre, they might have had a different outlook. Then again, so might have 10 or so other teams, maybe more.



I never said Schneider was like McIlrath in that sense. I think he’s better. He’s a better skater, better defender. The Rangers reached HARD and were tricked by a smokescreen into doing so. Schneider is not nearly the reach that McIlrath was. I was just pointing out how there’s similarities in the approach. Getting smacked around by a much more physical team, needing some toughness, drafting the tough stay at home defender, etc.

Schneider is a far and away better defender than McIlrath. Anyone who thinks it’s close hasn’t seen either play.



Agreed and I’ve basically alluded to that first part. I also never said it was any type of reflection on Schneider. I think he’s going to be a solid #4. I just would have taken the swing on Lapierre, with an extra late 1st, when they could have afforded to do so.



He’s been mocked at higher than 15. I’ve seen him mocked as high as 12. Again, let me be clear in saying that I don’t think there’s anything wrong with him at 19. If he would have been taken there, I wouldn’t have criticized the team who took him if the Rangers stayed at 22. I just prefer the player who I think is the more talented player and has a higher upside.

Also, if not Lapierre, then Zary. Zary could also be a very good 2C at the NHL level.

EDIT: Also, where is Schneider playing? RD is clogged and he’s probably 5th on the organizational depth chart at that position as of right now. If he can play LD, sure, but I wouldn’t move anyone ahead of him just so he can play there.

Dillon is not available and costs literally 8x as much as Schneider will.

There are indications that Gorton will be filling the center position via a trade. Like are we really going to find a guy that will be a #2C center within 1-2 years at the bottom-third of the first round?

 

[DutchShamrock]

FWIW, when we discussed Lapierre pre-draft it was mentioned that his injuries were the eyes-down-looking-at-the-puck types. Not freak accidents or bad luck. I wish the kid well and hope he has a healthy career. But it's a massive gamble for a kid getting caught with his head down and he has had long term issues after. It's a bad habit to break but he could literally be one moment away from retirement.

 

[Edge]

It wasn’t about the price for me. It’s about trading up for a player who I feel would have been available and for the type of player that is often available in free agency. Brendan Dillon is a free agent that’s basically what Schneider will most likely end up being. A player like Lapierre doesn’t just come along in free agency every day. There are Dillon/Schneider types available EVERY offseason.

See now I don't think those guys are available every off-season, certainly not in their 20s, and certainly not a cheap price point. Hell, Dillon didn't make it to free agency for exactly that reason --- and that's at 30 years old during a time of economic uncertainty for many teams.

You're right Lapierre doesn't come around often either, but the health issues cannot be removed from any conversation concerning that talent. He didn't drop because a lot of people doubted the talent --- he dropped because teams couldn't have their doctors evaluate him and and many saw serious concerns with the medical information they did recieve. That's the gamble for Washington. They could have a top six forward, or they could have a sad story in a few years.

Also, if not Lapierre, then Zary. Zary could also be a very good 2C at the NHL level.

EDIT: Also, where is Schneider playing? RD is clogged and he’s probably 5th on the organizational depth chart at that position as of right now. If he can play LD, sure, but I wouldn’t move anyone ahead of him just so he can play there.

Zary could be, and the Rangers were higher on him earlier in the season. There's some concern about upside there, and that's valid. You might be looking at a jack of all trades second line center, or you could be looking at a very nice third line center. Push comes to shove, I think board reaction would probably be somewhat similar to this --- especially if they passed on Lapierre to take Zary.

Where he plays remains to be seen. I don't think get too far ahead with figuring out who plays where. Three years ago we were concerned about which of the two rookie centers we drafted would be relegated to the fourth because of the presence of Zibanejad and Hayes. A year later we were wondering about how Howden, Chytil and Andersson were all going to fit and some didn't want to part with Hayes. Today, fans are saying center is a need we have to dress sooner rather than later.

Point being, things change.

ADA probably isn't here for the long-haul. So that's a factor. Lundkvist is a stud prospect, but then that's it. There's really not much else coming up behind him. Maybe Skinner, but I don't think anyone is passing on their BPA for him.

There's going to be movement in the next 12-36 months. You're going to see some interesting trades, that come with high costs. Maybe that's ADA. Maybe it's even Lundkvist. Could certainly be Schneider. We don't know yet. But what I do know is that we have talent and diversity on the right side and the ability to absorb a trade, or unexpected life events, and hopefully work from a position of strength if it all works out.

 

[NYR Viper]

I mentioned this late last night but count me as intrigued by a defense that could theoretically include:
Trouba
Miller
Robertson
Schneider

The reach, size and physical ability of that group is going to be smothering. Now you possibly add Fox and Lundqvist to that group? Jeez...

 

[Ola]

Nashville stock piled defenceman year after year and it was a healthy formula for them for a looooong time. Plus, part of competing in the future is having quality players to plug in as other players price themselves out over the next decade.

One thing is for certain, Schneiders skillset isn't redundant.

Yeah, I sometimes criticize management but I got a hard time doing it in relation to this pick for sure. Look, many of the players on the table have a lot of question marks. I don't know them all and of the players I've seen I could have a bad read on many. Many have issues.

Schneider is a very solid prospect. I've said many times that I don't care about size up front -- but watch out on defense, the jury is still out there. In 5 years it could definitely be a "truth" that you need size on defense to win.

There will be a demand for players like him around the league. I definitely think this pick will "count" so to speak.

As for taking the centers, because we got a need for centers, forget about any pick we make now filling that need. We will only dig a bigger hole for that kid by rushing him. Anyone heard Gorton comment about taking a kid that maybe can help us 2-3 years down the road? It is a long way off from that 'talent has no age, they will be given a chance to play right away'-talk.

This kid should play for Canada at the WJCs, everyone will know who he is. He will get a lot of exposure. He is a 2-way D and he won't be judged solely on his production.

 

[bubba5]

If this guy turns out to be better than Skjei in 3-4 years, then it was worth it. Giving up a 3rd is no big deal

 

[Cmox]

If this guy turns out to be better than Skjei in 3-4 years, then it was worth it.

He definitely comes off as a not awkward skater, haha and hits. that’s already a plus.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Did we trade Strome for a second rounder or two yet?

 

[Richard Banger]

Our forwards are going to be highly talented and physical.

our Defenseman are going to be talented and highly physical.


I f***ing love. NYR going to be a god damn tank. Lol

 

[JimmyG89]

There are other picks, but you have to wonder that they went BPA for them and the strongest part of their current team over a center might speak volumes on how much they like a guy like Henriksson. Maybe they envision Barron down the middle as well. I think their 3rd rounder will be a center unless they move into round 2 somehow. That group of centers available at the top of the 2nd are enticing for sure.

Looking at the board, moving someone like Strome for a high 2 just became much more likely and something they could feel really comfortable about that they may not have yesterday. If they have to package to get Ottawa's pick with Strome another lower pick to facilitate the trade, it could be worth exploring. Buffalo could be another target since they don't have a ton of NHL level forwards just yet.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So this is shifting from NBCSN to NHLN today, right? Will the NHL be streaming it somewhere as well?

 

[rangers1314]

So this is shifting from NBCSN to NHLN today, right? Will the NHL be streaming it somewhere as well?

Yes - 11:30am

 

[Edge]

FWIW, when we discussed Lapierre pre-draft it was mentioned that his injuries were the eyes-down-looking-at-the-puck types. Not freak accidents or bad luck. I wish the kid well and hope he has a healthy career. But it's a massive gamble for a kid getting caught with his head down and he has had long term issues after. It's a bad habit to break but he could literally be one moment away from retirement.

And I freely admit, I probably would've taken a flyer on Lapierre there. But I say that was someone who isn't looking at the medical file. That's a potential game changer depending on what you find.

In the Rangers case, there was discomfort there. Now, interestingly enough, they seem to have had Lapierre at 22 on their list. But even then, he likely wasn't going to be the pick at 22 with Grans and possibly O'Rourke on the board.

Of course, taking either of those two would've triggered a whole different set of debates.

 

[Ola]

I mentioned this late last night but count me as intrigued by a defense that could theoretically include:
Trouba
Miller
Robertson
Schneider

The reach, size and physical ability of that group is going to be smothering. Now you possibly add Fox and Lundqvist to that group? Jeez...

Great point!

Yzerman is probably the greatest hockey mind out there, look at the D's he has collected. Cal Foote. Cernak. He went out and got many guys with size. Not saying that there aren't room for guys with speed and skill on defense. But I definitely think that you must have both types. As a forward, going up against huge defenders that aren't pylons just sucks. They take away so much ice.

Not sure I am willing to throw in the towel on TDA though... Lundkist is a very similar player to Fox. I think TDA compliments Fox much better and would rather trade Lundkvist.

 

[surlysailor]

So this is shifting from NBCSN to NHLN today, right? Will the NHL be streaming it somewhere as well?

I haven't seen anything official but in the past it's been streamed on nhl.com. I'd assume it will be again this year.

 

[One Winged Angel]

@One Winged Angel Dillon re-signed.

I know that, I’m just saying that those types become available every offseason.