Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft 19th Overall Pick, Braden Schneider, D

[kovazub94]

Plus we cannot forget that in a cap world, cheap players on rookie deals that can replace mediocre veterans are almost always going to get the nod.

Definitely but not in the context of this discussion stemming from our logjam at RD. Something got to give.

 

[Edge]

Definitely but not in the context of this discussion stemming from our logjam at RD. Something got to give.

I think ADA is still the most likely candidate to go.

From there the Rangers would see what they have in Lundkvist and Schneider, get a feel for timelines, and then potentially make a decision further down the road.

But from an odds perspective, ADA is still the most likely candidate to be the first domino to fall.

 

[kovazub94]

I think ADA is still the most likely candidate to go.

From there the Rangers would see what they have in Lundkvist and Schneider, get a feel for timelines, and then potentially make a decision further down the road.

But from an odds perspective, ADA is still the most likely candidate to be the first domino to fall.

Yup. I mean we talked ad nauseum about moving ADA because Lundkvist has been in the wings and now we also have Schneider to find a spot for in about two years.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I think ADA is still the most likely candidate to go.

From there the Rangers would see what they have in Lundkvist and Schneider, get a feel for timelines, and then potentially make a decision further down the road.

But from an odds perspective, ADA is still the most likely candidate to be the first domino to fall.

not a bad problem to have really. more kids to develop or deal.

an established nhl player on the cusp of really breaking out and 2 prospects who show good promise.

i will caution however, assuming things such as nhl careers is a slippery slope no matter the pedigree.

ill take the bird in hand over the.... well you know the rest.

 

[Edge]

Yup. I mean we talked ad nauseum about moving ADA because Lundkvist has been in the wings and now we also have Schneider to find a spot for in about two years.

Or Schneider becomes the guy they move if he can't beat out someone else. Or, in a surprise but not completely impossible move, Trouba becomes the guy they move.

But either way, young talent will also have value and open doors for different deals.

 

[kovazub94]

Or Schneider becomes the guy they move if he can't beat out someone else. Or, in a surprise but not completely impossible move, Trouba becomes the guy they move.

But either way, young talent will also have value and open doors for different deals.

The way Rangers D is coming along I'd be for dressing 8 defenseman and only 10 forwards, or petition NHL to be allowed to dress 22 players.

 

[True Blue]

Or Schneider becomes the guy they move if he can't beat out someone else. Or, in a surprise but not completely impossible move, Trouba becomes the guy they move.

But either way, young talent will also have value and open doors for different deals.

Or Lundqvist is the one on the way out. Too early to tell, but having the assets allows for multiple scenarios

 

[Edge]

Or Lundqvist is the one on the way out. Too early to tell, but having the assets allows for multiple scenarios

And that's part of the challenge --- there are quite a few scenarios where you can insert different names, or whether potential trade partner teams might have differing preferences.

The reality is that we're going to get a point where certain names currently in the organization do not co-exist on the same Rangers roster.

That's always the hard part.

Lafreniere, Kreider, Panarin, Barron, Lemieux, Cuylle, Buchnevich, Kakko, Kravtsov, Gauthier and Pajuniemi will not all be on the Rangers roster at the same time.

Likewise Trouba, ADA, Fox, Schneider, Lundkvist, Lindgren, Miller, Robertson, Jones and Reunanen will not all be on the Rangers roster at the same time.

Most, if not all of us, really like a lot of those names. But there's 21 of them for 14 spots. Even if we take out half-a-dozen (yowzer) that we don't like as much, that still leaves at least one guy the odd man out --- and that's assuming we do absolutely nothing.

And that will never happen because there will always be trades, and free agent signings, and new prospects coming in during the draft, or prospects who don't make it, or other circumstances.

We're going to see a lot of new arrivals in the coming years. But it's also important to remember just how many departures we will see as well.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

(I hate the Trouba contract so much)

 

[FireGerardGallant]

(I hate the Trouba contract so much)

Contract did not look great when we first signed and everything that has transpired since has just made it go from bad to atrocious

 

[True Blue]

We're going to see a lot of new arrivals in the coming years. But it's also important to remember just how many departures we will see as well.

Exactly. One of the many reasons why I continue to state that as a result of the asset gathering, there will be heightened competition. Which breeds an "up or out" environment. This year we know that players like Howden and Hajek are probably the first to be looked at that way. Truthfully, same can be said for Gauthier and Lemieux. On D, we know full well that there will not be 5 homegrown +1 Trouba. Someone, or more to the point, someones will be moved to shore up other organizational weaknesses. And yes, when they really contend, some will be TDL assets that are moved.

 

[charliemurphy]

This is a very optmistic expectation

It is, if things fall into place. More than likely, at least 2 seasons away. Not sure why some believe he can step in within a year.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

not a bad problem to have really. more kids to develop or deal.

an established nhl player on the cusp of really breaking out and 2 prospects who show good promise.

i will caution however, assuming things such as nhl careers is a slippery slope no matter the pedigree.

ill take the bird in hand over the.... well you know the rest.

Well said. And the bold is a key point, here.

 

[Edge]

It is, if things fall into place. More than likely, at least 2 seasons away. Not sure why some believe he can step in within a year.

I don't know if I'd bank on it, but I don't know if I'd dismiss the possibility either.

After this season, Schneider will have spent four full seasons in the WHL, with brief cameo going back five seasons. He'll be 20 year old next September, while also starting in the AHL.

I don't think him getting a look at some point (towards the end of) next season, or even by the start of the 2022 season is very far-fetched at all.

The former would have him in the age range of guys like Staal and Del Zotto, with the latter sliding down to the Tyutin and McD timeframe.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don't know if I'd bank on it, but I don't know if I'd dismiss the possibility either.

After this season, Schneider will have spent four full seasons in the WHL, with brief cameo going back five seasons. He'll be 20 year old next September, while also starting in the AHL.

I don't think him getting a look at some point (towards the end of) next season, or even by the start of the 2022 season is very far-fetched at all.

The former would have him in the age range of guys like Staal and Del Zotto, with the latter sliding down to the Tyutin and McD timeframe.

The doubts make sense from a pure statistical/historical POV...

...but if you actually watch him play – especially focusing on his D – it gets a lot easier to see him joining the NHL sooner rather than later.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

(I hate the Trouba contract so much)

its terrible

 

[chosen]

And that's part of the challenge --- there are quite a few scenarios where you can insert different names, or whether potential trade partner teams might have differing preferences.

The reality is that we're going to get a point where certain names currently in the organization do not co-exist on the same Rangers roster.

That's always the hard part.

Lafreniere, Kreider, Panarin, Barron, Lemieux, Cuylle, Buchnevich, Kakko, Kravtsov, Gauthier and Pajuniemi will not all be on the Rangers roster at the same time.

Likewise Trouba, ADA, Fox, Schneider, Lundkvist, Lindgren, Miller, Robertson, Jones and Reunanen will not all be on the Rangers roster at the same time.

Most, if not all of us, really like a lot of those names. But there's 21 of them for 14 spots. Even if we take out half-a-dozen (yowzer) that we don't like as much, that still leaves at least one guy the odd man out --- and that's assuming we do absolutely nothing.

And that will never happen because there will always be trades, and free agent signings, and new prospects coming in during the draft, or prospects who don't make it, or other circumstances.

We're going to see a lot of new arrivals in the coming years. But it's also important to remember just how many departures we will see as well.

Is there any news on Jones? Haven't seen anything.

In the few times I saw him, I liked what I saw, but I don't know if he translates into an NHLer. He appeared to have good instincts.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is there any news on Jones? Haven't seen anything.

In the few times I saw him, I liked what I saw, but I don't know if he translates into an NHLer. He appeared to have good instincts.

Jones plays a very mature style of defense. I like him a lot and would rank him slightly ahead of Robertson on our prospect list based on how easy he makes it look.

 

[eco's bones]

(I hate the Trouba contract so much)

Most of us don't care.

 

[NYR]

This all sounds like a 20 year plan to me and all just to get one position, the defense in order.

Centers are clearly on the 30 year plan lol

 

[offdacrossbar]

Or Lundqvist is the one on the way out. Too early to tell, but having the assets allows for multiple scenarios

this may well be something. the drafting of schneider raises some eye brows for sure.

perhaps ADA was "too toxic" to invest in vis a vis a big time trade ? i don't think so, in fact i think the opposite, but who knows the perception out there. maybe, just maybe that works in our favor.

ADA last season was a bargain. perhaps the best value contract in the entire league when measured by production/cost. hes still a bargain now really. if all he does is duplicate the last season the next 2 years, hes a steal.

and if hes able to make the transition to the left side and get to 60 again, holy hell. hes pure money.

maybe he stays and a guy like lundqvist is dealt in a larger deal for a young similar situation forward. could happen, certainly not out of the realm.

anyway, we dont know what happens the next few seasons but lets pump the brakes on ADA as the probable guy whos moved. he may well be gone in 2 years or before. then again, he may not be.

 

[Edge]

Is there any news on Jones? Haven't seen anything.

In the few times I saw him, I liked what I saw, but I don't know if he translates into an NHLer. He appeared to have good instincts.

IMO, Jones is to Cam York what Lundkvist was to Adam Boqvist in their respective draft seasons.

By that I mean he's capable of the same type of play as a prospect who went higher than him (significantly higher in Jones' case), but he was a lesser known quantity or seen as being on the same track but a few stations behind this more heralded counterpart.

Jones moves the puck exceptionally well for a player his age and consistently finds ways to create and set-up plays. He doesn't force the issue, or try to weave through a bunch of defenders and take the glory for himself, he patiently waits for the best option to present itself and then he executes. He's almost like a playmaking center who happens to play defense --- which isn't surprising because he growing up he played forward and is relatively "new" to playing defense.

I thought his defense was better than advertised when it came to reading plays, reacting and getting into position. It's still needs work mind you, but he has a solid foundation with which to work.

I'd say his biggest challenge right now is going to be his size and strength. He's never going to be a monster, but he's going to have to get stronger to go up against a higher level of competition --- and that includes seperating players from the puck and being harassed by bigger, stronger, faster competition when he has posession.

He's a smart player, but ultimately I think it's how much the offense translates and how well the intelligence allows him to compensate for physical disadvantages that will likely be deciding factors on when/if he reaches the NHL and in what capacity.

 

[charliemurphy]

I don't know if I'd bank on it, but I don't know if I'd dismiss the possibility either.

After this season, Schneider will have spent four full seasons in the WHL, with brief cameo going back five seasons. He'll be 20 year old next September, while also starting in the AHL.

I don't think him getting a look at some point (towards the end of) next season, or even by the start of the 2022 season is very far-fetched at all.

The former would have him in the age range of guys like Staal and Del Zotto, with the latter sliding down to the Tyutin and McD timeframe.

Didn't mean to sound dismissive. I certainly won't complain if he's here by the start of the 2022 season. Having that much depth would be a great problem to have. I just think its too optimistic. I still think he'll have one more season with the Kings then some time with the Wolfpack before getting a look. Time will tell.

 

[True Blue]

maybe he stays and a guy like lundqvist is dealt in a larger deal for a young similar situation forward. could happen, certainly not out of the realm.

anyway, we dont know what happens the next few seasons but lets pump the brakes on ADA as the probable guy whos moved. he may well be gone in 2 years or before. then again, he may not be.

I agree. The one thing that we do know is that the right side cannot be manned by Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Lundqvist & Schneider. Even if we subtract DeAngelo, there is still one extra body as of today. Still way to early for anything but speculation as there is still a ways to go.

I will say that if DeAngelo goes out and puts up a monster year and takes another step forward, the powers that be will have quite a dilemma on their hands. Don't get me wrong, you call that problems of the first world.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]