2020 Hall of Fame Class....Who gets in?

[Maximus]

Who makes Hall of Fame this year? We are going to find out tomorrow. Not sure y'all remember but last year's crop was as bad a Hall class as I can ever recall. Hayley Wickenheiser, Guy Carbonneau, Sergei Zubov, Vaclav Nedomansky, Jim Rutherford, and Jerry York were the inductees. I'm sorry but that's pretty damn weak. Heck even Zubie who I love I could argue doesn't belong.

Keep in mind just 4 male players can be selected.

Anyways, here's this years crop of possibilities which are much more impressive and I'll thrown in some commentary as too whether I think they are HOF worthy or not!

J Iginla-LOCK no question about it as Iginla is as close to a lock as humanly possible as he checks all the boxes necessary.
DAlfredsson- I think he should get in. Close too a point a game guy who has a ton of trophies and hardware.
M Hossa- I think he'll get in eventually as he's similar to Alffy. He'll get in but not this year.

A Mogilny- He's very close as he was so damn good. Can't put him in yet but I'm tempted.
R Brind'Amour- He's close but he's more of a compiler type. I'd not put him in. Solid player back in the day.
J Roenick- He was very good but not elite other than maybe 2-3 years...NO
B Mikhalikov-Don't recall him much but if Nedamonsky got in last year than he'll prob get in...lol
S Doan- Good player but no way
P Elias-Very good player but no way
T Fleury-He's really close for me. H could have been so much more. And he was really good. I gotta say no but I could be swayed to say yes for Theo.
V Lecavaliver-Nope...good player for awhile but no way a HOF'er
S Larmer-Once again this is HOF not the Hall of the Very good
K Tkachuk-He was solid back in the day. But not a HOF'er
DWilson-I'd think long and hard about him. He was bigtime underrated. If Zubov is in, than Wilson should get in as Wilson was better.
SGonchar-Very good Dman but not a HOF in my book
C Joseph-Cujo is temping. Guy was amazing back in the day. Never won a Vezina or a Cup. I'm going to say no but I don't say it happily.
C Osgood- Good goalie who was lucky he played for a great team littered with HOF players...no chance.
T Barasso- If I'm not putting Cujo in and he was better than Barasso, I can't put in Barasso. He was very good but not great in my book.

So I got Iginla, Alfredsson and Doug Wilson as my only definite. But a few like Mogilny, Hossa, Fleury, Cujo are really close to HOF in my book and if any one of those other guys got in, I'd not be surprised or upset.

Y'all agree with my line of thinking or you got differing views? If so let's hear it as I'm sick of thinking about Covid and Protests and Trump and all this negative shit.

"Let's talk some old time hockey...you know Eddie Shore...Toe Blake"....lol

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[Edge]

IMO Roenick, Brind'amour and Tkachuk are HOF'ers.

Maybe not this year, but at some point.

 

[Irishguy42]

Iggy, Mogilny, Fleury, and maybe Elias.

Brind'amour should also get in, solely for how he just took the Cup from Bettman almost immediately during the presentation.

Doan should NOT get in, but probably will eventually.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I don't rate Brind'amour for the Hall. I think Elias has a better case.

Iginla is a no brainer, Hossa should get in eventually, Tkachuk deserves it, Mogilny is a borderline case.


Lecavalier, no way. Cujo and Wilson are borderline.

 

[Edge]

The one challenge with the HOF is that, if we go by offensive output, it's going to tend to favor finesse players.

How do you accurately gauge a finesse sniper vs. a power forward whose contributions also including a hell of a lot of wear and tear, and fighting, and injuries?

How do you weigh a forward who needs to be introduced to his defenseman at the end of the season, versus a guy who plays all three zones and opens up the ice for others?

Then on top of everything, we have to be careful we aren't looking at 90s guys through the same prism we used to evaluate players just a few years older who spent time in the high-flying 80s or early 90s?

Notching 30 goals and 80 points in 1999, is more or less on par with notching 40+ goals and around 100 points a decade earlier.

While I look at stats, I also take into account their role, the era, the teams they played on, and how they were viewed compared to their contemporaries.

If someone was heading into a draft and trying to find the "next version of" that player, I take that into consideration.

 

[Maximus]

IMO Roenick, Brind'amour and Tkachuk are HOF'ers.

Maybe not this year, but at some point.

I liked all 3 players. Like you saw them in their primes. Never once did I ever think to myself while watching them, that I was watching a future Hall of Famer. Brindy was compiler type. Never scored 40 goals ever. Never 100 point scorer. I know he was great on the other side of the ice and so maybe seeing Carboneau got in maybe Brindy does.

The only one who came close IMO was Roenick the very beginning of his Black Hawk years when for I believe it was a 4 year stretch, he truly was a superstar and he did look like he was on a HOF track.

But than he gets into his late 20's and gets dealt to Phoenix at the time, he than becomes more of a 60-65 point guy which is all fine and dandy but not HOF worthy. After Phoenix, his Flyer days were OK and after that he was just hanging on.

Of your three, Roenick has the best chance. I worry that his off the ice shenanigans might hurt him.

 

[Maximus]

Iggy, Mogilny, Fleury, and maybe Elias.

Brind'amour should also get in, solely for how he just took the Cup from Bettman almost immediately during the presentation.

Doan should NOT get in, but probably will eventually.

I'm with you with the other guys obviously as I mentioned them in my opening comment. Doan getting in would be a bridge too far. No way he gets in I don't believe ever.

I liked him don't get me wrong heck I've even owned him a few years in fantasy cause I liked him but this is the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Very Good or Hall of Good. Doan never had an 80 point season. Doesn't even have 1000 points and he played over 1500 games. The other guys have better shots than Doan IMO for sure.

 

[mrmovies779]

The late Claude Provost deserves in if Guy C. got in last year.

 

[Leetch3]

I know the league doesn't care since Chris Pronger was inducted and hired by the NHL while still under contract with the coyotes, but I still say its a load of BS and hossa shouldn't be eligible until his contract ends and he officially retires. if he is official retired than the hawks should be hit with the cap recapture penalty...sorry to go off topic but it makes me mad lol

 

[mike14]

I think Fleury deserves to get in there at some point. His point totals put him there or thereabouts, and his 'story' (which obviously much harder to quantify for HHOF acceptance purposes) gives him the nudge over the line.

Agree that Iginla is the only absolute lock in that group, he was such a fun player to watch at his peak.

Doan should be the face of the Yotes for a long time, but IMO he shouldn't be in the Hall. He accumulated over a long period (which is impressive in its own way) but never shone enough either offensively or defensively to be considered a Hall of Famer

 

[nyr2k2]

Fleury. My man.

 

[Maximus]

I know the league doesn't care since Chris Pronger was inducted and hired by the NHL while still under contract with the coyotes, but I still say its a load of BS and hossa shouldn't be eligible until his contract ends and he officially retires. if he is official retired than the hawks should be hit with the cap recapture penalty...sorry to go off topic but it makes me mad lol

Your not wrong but it's done and over with. Hossa probably should and will get in. Besides his solid regular season #'s, Hossa was one of the better playoff performers of the past 20 years as he has some sweet playoff stats as well.

 

[Edge]

I liked all 3 players. Like you saw them in their primes. Never once did I ever think to myself while watching them, that I was watching a future Hall of Famer. Brindy was compiler type. Never scored 40 goals ever. Never 100 point scorer. I know he was great on the other side of the ice and so maybe seeing Carboneau got in maybe Brindy does.

The only one who came close IMO was Roenick the very beginning of his Black Hawk years when for I believe it was a 4 year stretch, he truly was a superstar and he did look like he was on a HOF track.

But than he gets into his late 20's and gets dealt to Phoenix at the time, he than becomes more of a 60-65 point guy which is all fine and dandy but not HOF worthy. After Phoenix, his Flyer days were OK and after that he was just hanging on.

Of your three, Roenick has the best chance. I worry that his off the ice shenanigans might hurt him.

I think we're selling some of these guys a little short.

Tkachuk was one of the premier power forwards in the league and player other teams searched high and low for. There are literally only a handful of guys who put together what he did --- more than 500 goals, more than 1000 points, and more than 2,000 penalty minutes. In terms of overlap, the only two power wingers with that combination of scoring and physical play were Shanahan and Iginla. That's pretty exclusive company.

Roenick was, for a while, one of the top 5 or top 10 centers in the game. Like Tkachuk, he also found a way to impact the game beyond scoring. We're talking 500 goals and 1200 points.Like Tkachuk he also spent his prime years in the clutch and grab era. So that 500/1200 stat line is pretty impressive.

Brind'amour was never designed to be his team's leading scorer. However, he was the prototype for every two way center team's have been trying to find for the past 20 years. You pretty much hear two names come up when teams are trying to find someone like that - Rod Brind'amour and Jonathan Toews. There's a reason for that.

I think all three guys numbers are right in the same range as Alfredsson, Moginly and Fleury, and I'd dare argue that in some cases what they did beyond the numbers more than makes up for any difference.

 

[Maximus]

I don't rate Brind'amour for the Hall. I think Elias has a better case.

Iginla is a no brainer, Hossa should get in eventually, Tkachuk deserves it, Mogilny is a borderline case.


Lecavalier, no way. Cujo and Wilson are borderline.

Ya know I'm looking at Tkachuk's #'s a bit more carefully now that you and Edge mentioned you think he's HOF worthy. And tho I originally said he was very good but no for the HOF, I'm going to bump him up to maybe. He has over 500 goals 500 assists he's almost a point per game. He had over 2200 PIMs and he along with Brendan Shanahan were the prototype power forwards from the early 90's thru the late 2000's.

So yeah I'd consider Tkachuk after further review and put him right there with Roenick, Mogilny, Fleury as possible maybe's(is that even a term?)...lol.

 

[Maximus]

I think we're selling some of these guys a little short.

Tkachuk was one of the premier power forwards in the league and player other teams searched high and low for. There are literally only a handful of guys who put together what he did --- more than 500 goals, more than 1000 points, and more than 2,000 penalty minutes. In terms of overlap, the only two power wingers with that combination of scoring and physical play were Shanahan and Iginla. That's pretty exclusive company.

Roenick was, for a while, one of the top 5 or top 10 centers in the game. Like Tkachuk, he also found a way to impact the game beyond scoring. We're talking 500 goals and 1200 points.Like Tkachuk he also spent his prime years in the clutch and grab era. So that 500/1200 stat line is pretty impressive.

Brind'amour was never designed to be his team's leading scorer. However, he was the prototype for every two way center team's have been trying to find for the past 20 years. You pretty much hear two names come up when teams are trying to find someone like that - Rod Brind'amour and Jonathan Toews. There's a reason for that.

I think all three guys numbers are right in the same range as Alfredsson, Moginly and Fleury, and I'd dare argue that in some cases what they did beyond the numbers more than makes up for any difference.

I guess I was composing my most recent post about Tkachuk when you posted yours. As I say, after further review as I looked at this #'s closer, I do bump him up into that really close range along with Mogilny, Roenick, Brind'Amour and Fleury.

Brindy is interesting. He's just not a hall of famer from my eyeball test. Very good player but not a HOF'er. That said, and I said it earlier, Carbeneau got in last year which was quite the surprise and Brindy blows Carbeneau away stat wise and he was just as good on the other side of the ice. I think if he gets in, its because the Hall put Carbeneau which IMO was a really shaky call but what's done is done.

Roenick I already discussed...I'm with you on him. He's the closest of these 3 in my book to get in but his off ice stuff is going to hurt him I think and so we'll see tomorrow should be quite interesting.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Brind’Amour is definitely a HOFer in my eyes. He’s like the model “two way forward”. Basically was a first line producer with elite defensive ability his entire career.

I mean the dude’s worst years outside of his last year were in the 50s point wise. He had a bunch of years over PPG, and that’s while being a Selke candidate. Also has good playoff numbers and a ring. So IMO his case is as strong as anyone who is eligible.

he was basically Patrice Bergeron of the 90s/early 2000s

 

[Edge]

Player A: 1246 GP, 444 G, 1157 pts = .36 gpg and .92ppg

Player B: 990 GP, 473 G, 1032 pts = .48 gpg and 1.04ppg

Player C: 1084 GP, 445 G, 1088 pts = .41 gpg and 1.00ppg

Player D: 1362 GP, 512 G, 1216 pts = .37 gpg and .89ppg

Player E: 1201 GP, 538 G, 1065 pts = .45 gpg and .89 ppg

Player A ranks last for goals, last for goals per game, and ranks third for points per game.

Player B ranks third for goals, first for goals per game and first for points per game.

Player C ranks next to last for goals, third for goals per game and second for points per game.

Player D has the second most goals, ranks next to last in goals per game, and is tied for last in points per game.

Player E actually has the most goals and second most goals per game, but is tied for last in points per game.

Player A is considered a likely HOFer and yet he ranks middle to back of the pack in some comparisons. He's Daniel Alfredsson.

Player B has the highest per game averages, but didn't play as long as his peers and (one could argue), was probably the most one-dimensional player of this group. That's Moginly.
Perception is interesting though.

Player E is not considered a HOF player by some, and yet he scored more goals than his contemporaries, and was second in goals per game to the one player who most feel is a definite HOF player (Moginly). He's Keith Tkachuk.

Player C has the second fewest games played, lowest goal totals, but the second highest point per game totals. He's Fleury, and one could argue he played on the strongest offensive teams of anyone on this list.

Player D arguably had one of the higher peaks, but never quite matched his early production past a certain point. However, he still scored the second most goals and has point totals that really aren't that far off from Player A (Alfredsson). That's Jeremy Roenick.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Brind’Amour, Tkachuk, Alfredsson/Crybaby JR, Iginla

Honestly I don’t think Mogilny is hall material even with his high peak. The fact that his 76 goals came in 92/93 makes that a little less insane, he’s basically Selanne lite.

 

[Maximus]

Player A: 1246 GP, 444 G, 1157 pts = .36 gpg and .92ppg

Player B: 990 GP, 473 G, 1032 pts = .48 gpg and 1.04ppg

Player C: 1084 GP, 445 G, 1088 pts = .41 gpg and 1.00ppg

Player D: 1362 GP, 512 G, 1216 pts = .37 gpg and .89ppg

Player E: 1201 GP, 538 G, 1065 pts = .45 gpg and .89 ppg

Player A ranks last for goals, last for goals per game, and ranks third for points per game.

Player B ranks third for goals, first for goals per game and first for points per game.

Player C ranks next to last for goals, third for goals per game and second for points per game.

Player D has the second most goals, ranks next to last in goals per game, and is tied for last in points per game.

Player E actually has the most goals and second most goals per game, but is tied for last in points per game.

Player A is considered a likely HOFer and yet he ranks middle to back of the pack in some comparisons. He's Daniel Alfredsson.

Player B has the highest per game averages, but didn't play as long as his peers and (one could argue), was probably the most one-dimensional player of this group. That's Moginly.
Perception is interesting though.

Player E is not considered a HOF player by some, and yet he scored more goals than his contemporaries, and was second in goals per game to the one player who most feel is a definite HOF player (Moginly). He's Keith Tkachuk.

Player C has the second fewest games played, lowest goal totals, but the second highest point per game totals. He's Fleury, and one could argue he played on the strongest offensive teams of anyone on this list.

Player D arguably had one of the higher peaks, but never quite matched his early production past a certain point. However, he still scored the second most goals and has point totals that really aren't that far off from Player A (Alfredsson). That's Jeremy Roenick.

Thx for putting this comparitor together. I was thinking about doing one but got tied up doing some stuff.

If I had to rank the 5 players in order of who I think will get in it would be:

1. Alffy because he was beloved by everyone and he has some very good #'s and was solid in all aspects.

2.Mogilny because along with Bure and Federov, he might have been the most talented of the three. Injuries hurt his what would have been easy Hall induction

3. Roenick because he was very good in all aspects and was a superstar for 4 years or so. Not enough tho but he's close.

4. Tkachuk becasue as I mentioned, after revisiting his #'s, tho not as good as Shanny was, he's close and Shanny is HOF.

5. Fleury because when he wasn't doing drugs and dealing with all the other demons he had, he was as good a player as there was when he was on his game.

 

[Edge]

The Challenge with Mogilny is how much time he missed. From the 1989-90 season until 1999-2000 season, he only played more than 67 games in three seasons.

Mogilny was an incredibly talented player, who could do some amazing things --- when he wanted to. And that's part of the challenge with him. For as talented as he was, he was too often not included in those best of the best lists because you never knew which version you were going to get.

There was the 93 and 96 versions where you saw a guy who should've been challenging for the goal scoring lead every season, and then there was the guy who seemed content to get his 30 goals and 70 points. That wouldn't be so bad if you didn't already know what he was truly capable of, and if he did other things. When we look at some of the other names on the ballot, they weren't as skilled as Mogilny, and they didn't quite have the ability to reach out strike you offensively when you least expected it, but they also found other ways to punish you or impact the game.

But when he was on his game, Mogilny was arguably the most talented all-around Russian forward to skate in the NHL --- and that includes Pavel Bure.

 

[CasusBelli]

Alfie
Hoss
RBA
HM: Iggy

 

[Maximus]

Alfie
Hoss
RBA
HM: Iggy

Seriously you have Iginla as an "honorable mention" for the Hall? Wow. In my mind he's easy peasy to get inducted tomorrow and as I said a few times, he's the only LOCK to get in tomorrow. Over 600 goals...close to 700 assists. Almost a point per game over 1500 games. All star on numerous occasions. Won a Rocket Richard award twice...he won a Ross award as well. Very close to a point per game playoff performer.

I dunno my friend but other than not being on a Cup winner, Iginla did it all. Curious why you don't think he's a Hall of Famer seeing that's very much in the minority opinion.

 

[Bob Richards]

Jarome Iginla is one of the defining players of the 2000s. He's a slam dunk.

 

[mrmovies779]

The Challenge with Mogilny is how much time he missed. From the 1989-90 season until 1999-2000 season, he only played more than 67 games in three seasons.

Mogilny was an incredibly talented player, who could do some amazing things --- when he wanted to. And that's part of the challenge with him. For as talented as he was, he was too often not included in those best of the best lists because you never knew which version you were going to get.

There was the 93 and 96 versions where you saw a guy who should've been challenging for the goal scoring lead every season, and then there was the guy who seemed content to get his 30 goals and 70 points. That wouldn't be so bad if you didn't already know what he was truly capable of, and if he did other things. When we look at some of the other names on the ballot, they weren't as skilled as Mogilny, and they didn't quite have the ability to reach out strike you offensively when you least expected it, but they also found other ways to punish you or impact the game.

But when he was on his game, Mogilny was arguably the most talented all-around Russian forward to skate in the NHL --- and that includes Pavel Bure.

Mogilny,like Kovalev,suffered from couldaandshouldadonesomuchmorewiththattalentitis

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Jarome Iginla is one of the defining players of the 2000s. He's a slam dunk.

He’s the gimme. Then there are like 7ish guys who have a case for three spots