OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck

[East Coast Bias]

OK I feel a bit better not alot but a little bit. Thx for posting this.

I trust Brian Costello and always have since he's been on the Jet beat I dunno before Rex got here I believe.

Anyways, if what he says is true than I do feel a bit relieved that this was just a "one off" like I eluded to in my previous comment and that Gase will be gone no doubt after the season.

A bigtime "phew" as I wipe the sweat from my forehead after listening to this...lol

I don’t normally pay much attention to players comments cause they’re so canned and boring. But Marcus Maye’s post game interview was eye opening. He’s so mild mannered. He was so angry and upset.

In my rooting against the Jets I did kind of forget the players view of this. None of them want to be known as a member of an 0-16 team. Literally none of them compete daily wanting to lose. It’s just not in anyone’s mentality at that level.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Washington is playing an old fart vet because Haskins sucks. God bless Smith I pray he stays healthy. He's earned it. They have nothing at QB for the future. I think they will go after Darnold big time. I hope the Giants make the playoffs. Even if they don't, they are headed in the right direction huge. They need to keep their D coordinator. If he's smart, he'll stay a while. No rush for him. He'll get a head coach job eventually. Gettleman and Judge's staff are locked in as far as who to draft. They drafted incredibly smart players who can play any system week to week which is why the defense is becoming so good. If they don't make the playoffs, it's disappointing but they will make the best of it by adding more impact players.

 

[sbjnyc]

If Gase really was the one who fired GW which is what has been reported, that would be very concerning to me and it should be concerning to every other Jet fan as well.

Having the power to fire someone, would lead me to believe that if Gase, who should be dead man walking and feel fortunate he still has a job as he's been so abysmal at it, still has the power to fire someone, could mean that Gase has enough trust from the Johnson's, that he might still have enough clout with the Johnson's, that him getting canned after the season isn't a sure thing.

The only thing that gives me pause to these terrifying thoughts going on in my head, is that the Jets consistently do things ass backwards with the classic case in point letting Maccagnon go shopping two years ago at the draft, spending zillions on FA's and than getting fired a week later.

So it's shit like this where tho things may look like on the surface that things look one way that Gase still has clout, in reality because the Jets are so dysfunctional and the way the decision making process is set up with both the coach and GM reporting separately to ownership, the reality is quite likely 180 degrees different.

Let's just hope and pray this GW firing was a one off and that Gase will still be saying sayanora after the season ends because the alternative of the Johnson's keeping Gase on is absolutely terrifying and one which I don't even want to get into it's so distressing...

Gase fired Williams after defending the call. Nothing he does makes sense. Then again he's the coach of the jets. The reason he's the Jets' coach and not Matt Rhule is because the Jets offered him the job but only if accepted Gregg Williams as DC. Not to say Rhule would be successful here necessarily but a simple GM->HC->OC/DC framework seems to work a lot better than the orthogonal matrix style Jets ownership has in place.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Williams is getting the Jets Lawrence so enjoy the next decade plus b/c stupidity paid off.

 

[NYSPORTS]

All Dolphins fans are rejoicing now.

I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Giants for that very same reason. Lol

how many of those Dolphins who saw the 1972 season are still around? How many were born after 1972?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I actually celebrate every time the last team loses. I want the Giants to be the only team to beat an undefeated team and I don't want a team to go 19-0. Someone else ending a 16-0 team's season or a team going 19-0 would diminish what the Giants did in SB42, IMHO.

 

[Maximus]

I don’t normally pay much attention to players comments cause they’re so canned and boring. But Marcus Maye’s post game interview was eye opening. He’s so mild mannered. He was so angry and upset.

In my rooting against the Jets I did kind of forget the players view of this. None of them want to be known as a member of an 0-16 team. Literally none of them compete daily wanting to lose. It’s just not in anyone’s mentality at that level.

Exactly...tanking is not part of a players or a coaches vernacular. They simply are not wired that way.

Only one's who talk tanking or say a team is in the tank are us the fans and the media...that's it.

I do have to say that this whole rooting for the Jets to lose thingie versus rooting for them to win cannot end soon enough.

Not sure I'll be able to take anymore games like the one this past Sunday vs the Raiders as it's driving me bonkers being conflicted like this.

A nice and tidy no questions about it 43-17 blowout loss this Sunday vs the pissed off Seahawks is just what the doctor ordered!!

 

[True Blue]

Washington is playing an old fart vet because Haskins sucks. God bless Smith I pray he stays healthy. He's earned it. They have nothing at QB for the future. I think they will go after Darnold big time. I hope the Giants make the playoffs. Even if they don't, they are headed in the right direction huge. They need to keep their D coordinator. If he's smart, he'll stay a while. No rush for him. He'll get a head coach job eventually. Gettleman and Judge's staff are locked in as far as who to draft. They drafted incredibly smart players who can play any system week to week which is why the defense is becoming so good. If they don't make the playoffs, it's disappointing but they will make the best of it by adding more impact players.

No one cares how old Smith is. He is doing exactly what Washington needs for him to do. He does not need to do anymore.

Very quietly, the 'Skins have begun to really build something. They hired Rivera and all of the sideshows have ended. They have a defensive line that is going to be one of the best in the NFL, if not the best. They have drafted and signed smartly. McLaurin is well on his way to being one of the top receivers in the NFL. Gibson looks to be a gem of a draft pick. Thomas was a very astute signing as was McKissic. They can live with Smith and see if Haskins becomes anything and have no reason to waste any capital on Darnold. Meanwhile, they can continue to build the offensive line and secondary.

As I said, the side show appears to be done with. You would be mistaken to sleep on them and believe that the future belongs to the Giants. Remember, it was Rivera's decision to go for two at end of the game that directly caused another Giant victory.

 

[Maximus]

My revised "scare rankings"(5/5 is the scariest you can be) now that the Raiders are out of the way and who were in my rankings I did last week just behind the Browns and it proved to be correct as that was a damn close call and to close for comfort, would be in order:

4/5 Cleveland. I don't give a hoot that Baker had probably his best game as a pro this past week, he has some Fitzpatrick in him and can implode at any given time. And last I checked that franchise is still cursed despite their great season thus far. This game is the one that terrifies me the most of any of the remaining four.

3/5 Patriots. I've gone over infinitum that the Belichek hatred of Jets factor could come into play and it's concerning. What gives me pause tho and a bit of confidence that despite the hatred of the Jets, Bill simply doesn't bench starters whether he has home field all thru the playoffs or not. It's just not in his DNA to do so. Also the Pats winning and staying in playoff hunt lessons my worry significantly. I'm just a paranoid mofo like most Jet fans and just the thought of Bill benching his best players too screw the Jets and not have to deal with Trevor Lawrence twice a year for the next decade still is in the back of my head.

2/5 Rams. The only thing that prevents me from thinking this game would be a blowout is because Jared Goff, just like Baker, can sometimes turn into Ryan Fitzpatrick as well in a flash withought warning and being a TO machine. The Rams tho are pretty loaded tho on both sides of the ball and so even if Goff threw a few picks, the Rams are so much better and more talented than the Jets, they'd very likely win handily anyways.

1/5 Seattle. If this game doesn't end up 45-17 or something along those lines with Russel tossing 4 TD's, it would be shocking too me. Seahawks come into this game pissed off and angry and frankly desperate for a win. There is no chance Seattle takes the Jets lightly and so I anticipate this game to be close to over by half time. Oh and Jamal will want to stick it to the Jets just a tad and so if I were Mims, Perriman, Crowder or any Jet skill position player, I'd be on the lookout bigtime for #33 on Sunday as he's going to be a heat seeking missle and dishing out as much pain as possible on his mind.

Soooo tho it was the "same old Jets" last Sunday vs Raiders, the positive is that had the Jets won I'm 1000% convinced we could have kissed Trevor Lawrence goodbye.

The Jags despite how competitive they've been lately and they should be commended, with a remaining schedule of the Titans, Ravens, Bears and Colts, they aint winning another game this season either. Yeah the Bears game worries me a tad but the Bears should be able to take care of business.

It's going to be nerve racking but Jets dodged a bigtime bullet vs Raiders and with this daunting schedule we have upcoming down the stretch, it really would be shocking and I do mean shocking if we didn't end up with the #1 overall.

 

[SA16]

My revised "scare rankings"(5/5 is the scariest you can be) now that the Raiders are out of the way and who were in my rankings I did last week just behind the Browns and it proved to be correct as that was a damn close call and to close for comfort, would be in order:

4/5 Cleveland. I don't give a hoot that Baker had probably his best game as a pro this past week, he has some Fitzpatrick in him and can implode at any given time. And last I checked that franchise is still cursed despite their great season thus far. This game is the one that terrifies me the most of any of the remaining four.

3/5 Patriots. I've gone over infinitum that the Belichek hatred of Jets factor could come into play and it's concerning. What gives me pause tho and a bit of confidence that despite the hatred of the Jets, Bill simply doesn't bench starters whether he has home field all thru the playoffs or not. It's just not in his DNA to do so. Also the Pats winning and staying in playoff hunt lessons my worry significantly. I'm just a paranoid mofo like most Jet fans and just the thought of Bill benching his best players too screw the Jets and not have to deal with Trevor Lawrence twice a year for the next decade still is in the back of my head.

2/5 Rams. The only thing that prevents me from thinking this game would be a blowout is because Jared Goff, just like Baker, can sometimes turn into Ryan Fitzpatrick as well in a flash withought warning and being a TO machine. The Rams tho are pretty loaded tho on both sides of the ball and so even if Goff threw a few picks, the Rams are so much better and more talented than the Jets, they'd very likely win handily anyways.

1/5 Seattle. If this game doesn't end up 45-17 or something along those lines with Russel tossing 4 TD's, it would be shocking too me. Seahawks come into this game pissed off and angry and frankly desperate for a win. There is no chance Seattle takes the Jets lightly and so I anticipate this game to be close to over by half time. Oh and Jamal will want to stick it to the Jets just a tad and so if I were Mims, Perriman, Crowder or any Jet skill position player, I'd be on the lookout bigtime for #33 on Sunday as he's going to be a heat seeking missle and dishing out as much pain as possible on his mind.

Soooo tho it was the "same old Jets" last Sunday vs Raiders, the positive is that had the Jets won I'm 1000% convinced we could have kissed Trevor Lawrence goodbye.

The Jags despite how competitive they've been lately and they should be commended, with a remaining schedule of the Titans, Ravens, Bears and Colts, they aint winning another game this season either. Yeah the Bears game worries me a tad but the Bears should be able to take care of business.

It's going to be nerve racking but Jets dodged a bigtime bullet vs Raiders and with this daunting schedule we have upcoming down the stretch, it really would be shocking and I do mean shocking if we didn't end up with the #1 overall.

Baker has 7 interceptions. The only other QBs to play all 12 games and have less than that are Watson, Tannehill, Carr, Rodgers, Mahomes. He has not been turnover prone all year. He doesn't have a single game with more than 2 turnovers. Reputation is not reality.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Only game that worries me is the Pats. They may be out by then and totally mail that game in. Play the practice squad.

 

[Maximus]

Baker has 7 interceptions. The only other QBs to play all 12 games and have less than that are Watson, Tannehill, Carr, Rodgers, Mahomes. He has not been turnover prone all year. He doesn't have a single game with more than 2 turnovers. Reputation is not reality.

Maybe so and that might be all true. Baker is still Baker and he can implode at any given time. I recall vividly back in 2015 Bowles first year at the helm, Jets were rolling and were on a 5 game winning streak to end the year having had some huge OT wins over the Giants and Patriots, Fitzpatrick was "Fitzmagic" that entire season and unlike his previous norms, he threw very few picks that season as he was simply stupendous that entire season.

But with a playoff spot staring square in our faces, "Fitztragic" reappeared and 3 horrific picks later, the absolutely abysmal Bills beat us to end the Jets season and to make it worse, we got to see Rex dancing off the field sticking it to us.

So sure Baker is having a nice ride this season but it could turn in an instant and tho maybe it doesn't worry you...it worries me and IMO is the most dangerous game we have left.

 

[Maximus]

Only game that worries me is the Pats. They may be out by then and totally mail that game in. Play the practice squad.

I hear ya and as I mentioned, the Pats game is concerning but not as much as the Browns game. If Bill did rest his starters, it would be the first time I could ever recall him doing so in his 20 years coaching the Pats.

So tho his hatred for the Jets is well known, it really does fly in the face of everything he believes in and so I doubt highly that he sits Cam and the rest of his starters. If he did, sure that game gets scary but the Jets are so bad, the Patriots likely would still eek out a win. I don't even want to think about scenarios like that.

First things first...let's get blown out by the Seahawks...lol

 

[Bob Richards]

Giants have been flexed

 

[JimmyG89]

I'm of the belief that the Jags will beat the Bears when they match up in week 16. That team is trending down and has not shown any signs of reversing course. They lost to the Lions, who just fired their coach and was missing their #1WR and #1RB. On top of that, the Jags have been close in a bunch of games recently, against some quality competition too.

The Pats game is a little scary since it is more and more likely to be meaningless for them. I don't think Belicheck will tank it, but he'll probably want to see his younger guys playing and Cam probably doesn't suit up if they are officially eliminated, not to mention, the Jets will be absolutely inspired to not finish 0-16. Recipe for a win in week 17.

The Browns game is a little concerning as well. They are good, but their week 17 matchup is the Steelers. As of now, they are only 2 games back of them. Flip something in their direction again and it could be a game that they overlook while looking ahead to that Steelers game.

They will not have the strength of schedule on their side if they tie in record, so they have to finish behind them in order for the Jets to get #1. If they do tie, I would not take Fields. I'd trade down for another QB needy team and stock up on more high picks and build around Darnold with a new coach.

 

[SA16]

Maybe so and that might be all true. Baker is still Baker and he can implode at any given time. I recall vividly back in 2015 Bowles first year at the helm, Jets were rolling and were on a 5 game winning streak to end the year having had some huge OT wins over the Giants and Patriots, Fitzpatrick was "Fitzmagic" that entire season and unlike his previous norms, he threw very few picks that season as he was simply stupendous that entire season.

But with a playoff spot staring square in our faces, "Fitztragic" reappeared and 3 horrific picks later, the absolutely abysmal Bills beat us to end the Jets season and to make it worse, we got to see Rex dancing off the field sticking it to us.

So sure Baker is having a nice ride this season but it could turn in an instant and tho maybe it doesn't worry you...it worries me and IMO is the most dangerous game we have left.

Fitzpatrick was a 10 year journeyman QB with a long history of turnovers. Mayfield is in his third year and in two of his three years he has been pretty good with not turning the ball over.

 

[17futurecap]

Fitz also outscored the Jets 44-3 across 2 games this year, lets all hope the remaining 4 games go the way the two Fitz games went lol.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Williams is getting the Jets Lawrence so enjoy the next decade plus b/c stupidity paid off.

don't count your eggs yet. Jacksonville is still very likely to lose out and the Jets can bungle their way to a win. Which would be devastating. If the i have to suffer the Jets having an historically putrid season like this, and 2 full seasons of Gase, and not even end up with T-Law out of it, I might have to stop being a football fan for good.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Fitz also outscored the Jets 44-3 across 2 games this year, lets all hope the remaining 4 games go the way the two Fitz games went lol.

The Dolphins have owned the jets for several years now. Even when the Jets were half decent and the Dolphins were crap.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Can you win a SB without a true franchise guy? Yes. Can you do it year after year? Probably not. The Redskins have to pray that Haskins pans out. They have the foundation of a really good team, but without a true quality starter. How far can an Alex Smith take them? They have the overall team to potentially make the playoffs, but they’re in that awkward situation where they’re not good enough to win, but not bad enough to get a super high draft pick. That’s the absolute worst situation to be in, especially with really young guys, because it could take several years to get out of it. Tanking with a young, talented team is absolutely a strategy, because that high draft pick could be that one piece your franchise needs. If the Redskins don’t believe Haskins is that guy, and they pick like 12th, trading up to get a top 3 pick for that franchise QB could mean multiple years of no 1st round picks.

As a Giants fan, I don’t have a ton of confidence in Jones. Right now he’s better than Haskins and better than Smith, but his decision making and how prone he is to turnovers is a major concern. The Giants don’t have as good of a team as the Redskins’ outside the QB. The Giants are also in an awkward situation.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Can you win a SB without a true franchise guy? Yes. Can you do it year after year? Probably not. The Redskins have to pray that Haskins pans out. They have the foundation of a really good team, but without a true quality starter. How far can an Alex Smith take them? They have the overall team to potentially make the playoffs, but they’re in that awkward situation where they’re not good enough to win, but not bad enough to get a super high draft pick. That’s the absolute worst situation to be in, especially with really young guys, because it could take several years to get out of it. Tanking with a young, talented team is absolutely a strategy, because that high draft pick could be that one piece your franchise needs. If the Redskins don’t believe Haskins is that guy, and they pick like 12th, trading up to get a top 3 pick for that franchise QB could mean multiple years of no 1st round picks.

As a Giants fan, I don’t have a ton of confidence in Jones. Right now he’s better than Haskins and better than Smith, but his decision making and how prone he is to turnovers is a major concern. The Giants don’t have as good of a team as the Redskins’ outside the QB. The Giants are also in an awkward situation.

I don't see WFT having a better team outside of Jones. Hell, you could argue that Alex Smith is a better QB right now than Jones. I will also say that while we shouldn't forget his first 9 games, there's something to be said about his improvement the last 2.5 games in taking care of the football. And he has definitely improved his fumbles this year that everyone said were not going to improve and last year he wasn't throwing many picks. I don't know why a bright, coachable guy can't cut out his turnovers.

 

[True Blue]

Tanking with a young, talented team is absolutely a strategy, because that high draft pick could be that one piece your franchise needs. If the Redskins don’t believe Haskins is that guy, and they pick like 12th, trading up to get a top 3 pick for that franchise QB could mean multiple years of no 1st round picks.

Tanking is a non-starter. That is not what you do with a young, talented team. And not the culture that Rivera is building.

They can get by with Smith. Not that he is a picture of health, but if Cincinnati has taught the league anything is that drafting a top QB without a good offensive line is a recipe for disaster. The 'Skins are far better off spending their capital on the offensive line, a lb and a corner. They can get by with a game manager.

Am not saying that one does not need a franchise QB, but that is not the only ingredient nor is it a guarantee. Baltimore won with Peyton Manning when he was just a shell of his old self. Was Nick Foles a franchise QB? Seattle's franchise QB won one. The Saints franchise QB won one. That just goes to your point on winning year after year. That is a task hard enough to do no matter who your QB is.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Tanking is a non-starter. That is not what you do with a young, talented team. And not the culture that Rivera is building.

They can get by with Smith. Not that he is a picture of health, but if Cincinnati has taught the league anything is that drafting a top QB without a good offensive line is a recipe for disaster. The 'Skins are far better off spending their capital on the offensive line, a lb and a corner. They can get by with a game manager.

Am not saying that one does not need a franchise QB, but that is not the only ingredient nor is it a guarantee. Baltimore won with Peyton Manning when he was just a shell of his old self. Was Nick Foles a franchise QB? Seattle's franchise QB won one. The Saints franchise QB won one. That just goes to your point on winning year after year. That is a task hard enough to do no matter who your QB is.

You mean Denver?

 

[nyr2k2]

Can you win a SB without a true franchise guy? Yes. Can you do it year after year? Probably not. The Redskins have to pray that Haskins pans out. They have the foundation of a really good team, but without a true quality starter. How far can an Alex Smith take them? They have the overall team to potentially make the playoffs, but they’re in that awkward situation where they’re not good enough to win, but not bad enough to get a super high draft pick. That’s the absolute worst situation to be in, especially with really young guys, because it could take several years to get out of it. Tanking with a young, talented team is absolutely a strategy, because that high draft pick could be that one piece your franchise needs. If the Redskins don’t believe Haskins is that guy, and they pick like 12th, trading up to get a top 3 pick for that franchise QB could mean multiple years of no 1st round picks.

As a Giants fan, I don’t have a ton of confidence in Jones. Right now he’s better than Haskins and better than Smith, but his decision making and how prone he is to turnovers is a major concern. The Giants don’t have as good of a team as the Redskins’ outside the QB. The Giants are also in an awkward situation.

Eh, word around town here is that Washington will look to move on from Haskins, despite what they might say publicly. No one is particularly infatuated with him or his progress.

 

[RangerBlues]

Every draft has several QB's to be had. WashingtonFC could have a choice via draft or FA next year at QB