OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck
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Terrible job by Dallas. There was absolutely ample time to make the decision to challenge. Oh well, that one of the reasons why Dallas sucks.
KirkAlbuquerque
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I think that’s a wrap for Darnold. I’m fine with going in a different direction but I don’t want Fields. I don’t believe in him at all and it’ll just be another wasted 3 years and we’ll have to start all over again
Maybe they can trade back and get Mac Jones at some point. I'm always impressed watching him.
Bob Richards
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Bob Richards
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RangersFan
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When you play someone is important though. I'm not excited about the Giants the last 4 weeks. And no this ugly ass win doesn't change my mind. I wish we lost. There's no way Philly wins today.
JimmyG89
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I'm not sure about him tbh. Another 1 year starter, yes he subbed in for Tua at the end of last season, but he's not very mobile. He has a strong arm and definitely can sling it, but he's not going to have that Alabama protection in the NFL. He also had the best WR and possibly the best RB in all of the NCAA on his side.
If there is a QB that would be available later in the draft to take a chance on, it's probably Trey Lance. You'd have to commit to an offense that fits him like the Ravens have done with Lamar Jackson, but he's an elite level athlete.
To me it's either Wilson/Fields or you stick with Darnold and take Sewell/trade down. That late 1st will have pieces that can help either at WR/OL or maybe an edge rusher. Snag a RB in the 3rd round with the extra one you have. I trust Douglas will be able to execute in the draft as this class has been fantastic, with the exception of taking Morgan in the 4th round.
I understand. You guys aren't in a good spot. The reality however is that the Jets could have won games earlier on the season, like against DEN, BUF, NE, LAC, LV, etc. They had chances all year. I think it's just randomness that they happened to win twice on a row at the end--they didn't get magically better as you can see today where the defense made Cam Newton look vintage 2015 while Darnold did his typical I'm-good-no-wait-I'm terrible thing. The only thing that has changed about the Jets this year has been their health, they haven't gotten any better or worse as the year dragged on.
I'd give that game a Pick 'Em rating with a bit of an edge to the Giants.
I keep seeing Lance mocked in the first. IDK how it shakes out for QBs behind the top three.
I like Jones because of the arm, the accuracy, and the poise. He doesn't make many bad decisions. He's got the Game Manager trait but I think he also has the arm to make all the throws. He's not going to make a ton of plays with his feet but he can make throws on the move out of the pocket, like that perfect beam he shot to the pylon early against ND the other day when he was rolling out.
I'm not actually advocating for taking him. Just, there are lots of potential scenarios for the Jets and if we end up with one where we're taking one of the less-heralded prospects, I think Jones would be a good choice.
Buffalo is the only team on that list that's better than LAR/CLE. Then again Cleveland was decimated.
I'll be honest guys. Becton when healthy is probably the best LT in the draft but I'd rather have Thomas who is not such an injury risk.
Yeah I worry about that, too. Value of a LT > RT, so I'm not sure about taking two LTs in consecutive years to move one to RT. And will it upset the one you move to RT? I just don't know how it will work. Maybe they've talked to Becton and he's cool moving or whatever and it doesn't even matter.
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I think the only way I take Sewell at 2 is if I have SERIOUS concerns about Becton's durability. Kid got injured a LOT this season. Is he going to regularly miss a third of every season? Other than that, I'd trade down (assuming I could get two 1sts+ in return), and plug some of those holes (CB, WR, G, Edge, etc etc). I'd still pick up a developmental QB in round 2 or 3, but I'd rather plug the holes and give Darnold a chance with some actual protection and weapons. If he fails, then we'll have a high pick and the draft capital to move up if need be to bring in a new QB next year.
SA16
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I was under the impression the whole LT/RT thing is largely a myth and the two sides are essentially equally important despite the whole salary imbalance/narrative. Logically if a teams best tackle is the LT the defense just puts their best pass rusher across from the RT and that mitigates his importance. I also think it may be better to have a good RT than a good LT anyway. LT's get paid more. You can get an equivalent RT for much cheaper and use the money elsewhere and just help out the LT with an extra TE or something.
I'm also not really concerned about Becton's durability. Did he have like ten different injuries or did everything just stem from the first one and playing while hurt and he kept aggravating it? If it's the latter it's really not a big deal.
I'd either draft a QB or draft down. They say "If you're wrong about a QB it sets you back 3 years." Nonsense. It's the same thing about other positions. If you take a LT and you still have no QB you still won't be good for just as long.
I'm also not really concerned about Becton's durability. Did he have like ten different injuries or did everything just stem from the first one and playing while hurt and he kept aggravating it? If it's the latter it's really not a big deal.
I'd either draft a QB or draft down. They say "If you're wrong about a QB it sets you back 3 years." Nonsense. It's the same thing about other positions. If you take a LT and you still have no QB you still won't be good for just as long.
Becton is in position to issue demands about being moved. Stating a preference, okay, sure, but not beyond that.
The guy who cuts the mustard -- or cuts it better -- proves he has dibs.
Sewell to LT.
Becton to either LG or RT depending on who else is out there.
Becton needs to drop 35 lbs fat and add back 15 lbs of muscle w/o tightening up. With what we know about physiology in 2021, that should be doable.
It is fair to say Darnold does not get a pass for just last few games, but also fair is how pathetic rest of the team has been during that time.
If we did not have cap reality => strategic decisions, I would say, sure, keep for certain.
The ? now is what would be on the table for him now as opposed to in a year w/hopefully better team/results/his production/stats improved.
There are some bright spots on the Jets now, but more talent is needed.
I don't expect top 3 value for Darnold, but if there is enough first round + package being offered, I seriously consider we go there.
The return of Darnold has to be weighed vs his projected increased value in a year, and that has to be balanced vs when he gets a new big contract.
I am open to anything but would still like to see if SF would package that O tackle McG w/14OA for Sam, Sam/+.
The primary difference is that the overwhelming majority of QBs (like 95% or more) are right-handed. So the LT is tasked with protecting the QBs blindsided. The RT still has to defend against the pass rush but the QB has the play in his face.
When the LT blows an assignment or gets bullrushed, that's usually when you see the QB get killed. The RT can f*** up but the QB generally has a better chance to get rid of it, scramble, or at least protect himself because he can see it.
It's also why pass protection is the most desirable trait for an LT whereas for RTs, there more of an emphasis on balance.
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