OT: 2020 Football Thread: We All Suck
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KirkAlbuquerque
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Maximus
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An absolute joke we are. F'ng embarrassing. As I've said many times, been a fan of this god forsaken franchise for almost 50 years. John Riggins was my first man crush in football. It's never been worse here and that includes the entire 1970's as at least those teams were competitive. This team? Just a total #### show.
Lev Bell never even had a chance to show his stuff. I have no doubt whoever signs Bell will have a motivated mofo who will conjure up memories of what he used to do in Pittsburgh.
Never have been so ashamed of this franchise as I do right now...disgusting what this franchise has become
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Giants could then charge what’s left of the season ticket holders to pay for blue seats
Liking a tweet is not the same thing as being openly critical of the team like Adams was.
JCProdigy
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Ha then you know what would happen. The old Browns to Baltimore blueprint. Jets move and then become one of the best run franchises in the NFL...
smoneil
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Apparently there is some sort of injury clause in Bell's contract that says that if he's injured, his third year gets guaranteed. There was an article in The Athletic that mentioned the team (and potential trading partners) were terrified of that clause.
I don't know why this is the narrative.
Gase sucks and should be fired, but the Johnson's don't fire people mid-season so it's not happening.
Bell has done nothing--and all the numbers indicate his suckage isn't solely due to a poor line or usage--and was certainly gone after the season. He's not a Douglas guy and his contract was terrible. No way he was sticking around.
So, you have a mediocre RB making a ton of money who could conceivably find his contract guaranteed if he was hurt, publicly feuding with the coach (again), that no one wants to trade for, who is assuredly gone when the season ends.
Why would Douglas keep him around?
I'm sure Gase also pushed for it, but I don't buy the "Gase is running the show" narrative. If Gase sticks around into next season, then sure, but I don't see that right now. I think right now this is Douglas' team and he makes the player personnel moves he wants. Even if those are precipitated by his dildo coach who his own won't let him fire yet.
I also don't think Douglas will stand by Gase, just because they were close or whatever. Douglas signed for six years because he wanted to rebuild this thing. I'm sure he's loyal to Gase but I can't imagine he would forever tether himself to a loser just out of loyalty. No one does that in the NFL.
Gase is likely gone at the end of the year. Every report I've heard simply says that they see no reason to let gase go early, because its not going to win more games and whoever comes in won't be able to help player development enough to make a difference. Douglass is a friend of gase, but he took a 6 year deal for a reason. He knew what he was walking into and is playing the long game. Also the reports are that Douglass is getting rid of that horrible power structure concept, where going forward the HC will report directly to him, fixing a core issue with the jets franchise.
When Douglass says that letting bell go was the right thing for both sides, he's not lying or being disingenuous. Bell has a chance to rehab his reputation, and get another contract after this year. The jets are now seen as an org that is willing to do the right thing for a player even if in the short term it might cost them.
Bell was a professional his entire time on the jets. He never complained vocally, he worked hard and fought for the team.
I agree 100% with everything you said except about Bell being a professional. Bell and Gase had that minor spat in camp where Bell took to Twitter to contradict Gase about being injured. Minor, but not a good look. And then the Twitter stuff after the last loss, that may be "justified" in a vacuum but is not the best way to handle things (unless, like Adams, the goal is to get out). That kind of stuff is best handled in-house, but Bell, like many guys nowadays, wants to take to Twitter and turn it public.
Maximus
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Here's what I'm worried about and very afraid is going to happen...Lawrence gets so spooked at being a Jet and what happened to Darnold that he stays in school. I've said it a bunch of times and tho I've read he's coming out because it's "NY...the greatest city on earth" and cause "he wants to cash as soon as he can"...yada yada yada....I think these brothers of mine are going to be in for rude awakening when Lawrence decides he doesn't want to deal with this #### show.
As far as Douglass, I'm probably the biggest proponent of him still here on this board. I was on board with the hire from the get go and I'm still on board. Agreed that his FA signings to help the O-line really haven't worked out tho Fant has showed some signs of being a keeper. Most of the guys are on 1 year deals so they can be gone by next season which most of them will.
But overall the O-line really hasn't looked improved and that can be in part that they never had a chance to gel in training camp but no excuse for how abysmal they look tho they have been able to open up holes for Frank Gore for his 3 yard scampers so that is a positive.
Injuries haven't helped obviously as Perriman who was supposed to replace Robbie hasn't even been on the field...so can't even say whether Perriman is good or not. As far as Douglass's first draft, I was excited about it before the season as it looked like it had potential to be the best Jet draft in over a decade. Now? Not so much.
Becton is hurt but he looks like the real deal from what I've seen of him and should be whoever is behind center, his blind side protection for the next 10 years. The Mims pick which looked so brilliant as he was able to be drafted so late in the 2nd round and we got an extra 4th round pick doesn't look good or bad right now as Mims also can't get on the damn field.
Ashtyn Davis in the 3rd round before season looked like a real savvy pick seeing Douglass obviously suspected Adams wouldn't be here much longer. He's another one who can't stay on the damn field. I mean it's friggen nuts. Now I know plenty of teams in the league are dealing with injuries but the Jets seemingly have more than most.
Anyways bottom line, the Johnson's are going nowhere so that's not even an option. Douglass is the least of my concerns for this football team. He has the pedigree having worked under Ozzie Newsome and Howie Roseman and being a big part behind the scenes of brining those teams SB titles.
The cupboard was extremely bare for him due to the incompetence of Idzik and Maccagnon and so I need to see a few more drafts and what he does with all this cap space we have before next season before I can make a full judgement of him. But for now as I said Douglass is the least of my concerns.
What needs to happen is Gase out of here but as I've said a ton of times as well due to Douglass having been hired by Gase and them being friends and JD's obvious loyalty, he's not firing Gase during the season. If he goes it will be after the year when we are 0-16 or 1-15 with the #1 overall in our pocket.
I just hope and pray by than, we have an enticing enough offensive mind brought in here so that Lawrence will be OK about coming out of school and working with. Until that happens, I have my doubts.
As far as Douglass, I'm probably the biggest proponent of him still here on this board. I was on board with the hire from the get go and I'm still on board. Agreed that his FA signings to help the O-line really haven't worked out tho Fant has showed some signs of being a keeper. Most of the guys are on 1 year deals so they can be gone by next season which most of them will.
But overall the O-line really hasn't looked improved and that can be in part that they never had a chance to gel in training camp but no excuse for how abysmal they look tho they have been able to open up holes for Frank Gore for his 3 yard scampers so that is a positive.
Injuries haven't helped obviously as Perriman who was supposed to replace Robbie hasn't even been on the field...so can't even say whether Perriman is good or not. As far as Douglass's first draft, I was excited about it before the season as it looked like it had potential to be the best Jet draft in over a decade. Now? Not so much.
Becton is hurt but he looks like the real deal from what I've seen of him and should be whoever is behind center, his blind side protection for the next 10 years. The Mims pick which looked so brilliant as he was able to be drafted so late in the 2nd round and we got an extra 4th round pick doesn't look good or bad right now as Mims also can't get on the damn field.
Ashtyn Davis in the 3rd round before season looked like a real savvy pick seeing Douglass obviously suspected Adams wouldn't be here much longer. He's another one who can't stay on the damn field. I mean it's friggen nuts. Now I know plenty of teams in the league are dealing with injuries but the Jets seemingly have more than most.
Anyways bottom line, the Johnson's are going nowhere so that's not even an option. Douglass is the least of my concerns for this football team. He has the pedigree having worked under Ozzie Newsome and Howie Roseman and being a big part behind the scenes of brining those teams SB titles.
The cupboard was extremely bare for him due to the incompetence of Idzik and Maccagnon and so I need to see a few more drafts and what he does with all this cap space we have before next season before I can make a full judgement of him. But for now as I said Douglass is the least of my concerns.
What needs to happen is Gase out of here but as I've said a ton of times as well due to Douglass having been hired by Gase and them being friends and JD's obvious loyalty, he's not firing Gase during the season. If he goes it will be after the year when we are 0-16 or 1-15 with the #1 overall in our pocket.
I just hope and pray by than, we have an enticing enough offensive mind brought in here so that Lawrence will be OK about coming out of school and working with. Until that happens, I have my doubts.
East Coast Bias
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I have no issue with releasing Bell.
They suck. He's not going to make them better. he's not in their future. He holds no value. He was going to get released in the offseason anyway.
I understand they're the Jets. But this isn't a OMG LOL Jets moment.
They suck. He's not going to make them better. he's not in their future. He holds no value. He was going to get released in the offseason anyway.
I understand they're the Jets. But this isn't a OMG LOL Jets moment.
Yeah this isn't LOLJets, so I'm not sure why so many are reacting as if it is. They tried to trade him, couldn't so they let him go. It was the right move.
Also, re: Lawrence and not coming out because he doesn't want to play here, you never know. But there's so much money in it. Say he stays and suffers a catastrophic shoulder injury. The difference between the first pick and the 15th pick is like $21M on the full contract and like $15M+ on the signing bonus. If you don't come out, and actually play another year, it's potentially a huge risk. You could always not declare and sit out a year and train, I suppose.
When Manning was first eligible for the draft the Jets had the first pick for the 2nd consecutive season. How convinced are you (or Trevor Lawrence) that the Jets won't be in the same spot next season? Also don't forget that the rookie wage scale wasn't in effect when Manning was drafted. He wanted to be guaranteed #1 to get the fat contract which Parcells refused to do so instead he turned down 2 HoF tackles to pick up a couple of good players who played well on other teams. Eli Manning was also drafted before the rookie wage scale went into effect. Those picks weren't so valuable because no one wanted to pay big contracts to top draft picks who never played an NFL down (e.g. JaMarcus Russell). The chance Trevor Lawrence pulls a stunt like the Manning brothers is slim to none.
SA16
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Getting rid of Bell as a player is irrelevant. He's a running back. It's like the least impactful full time position in sports. I see no reason to keep guys like him who are constantly complaining about their role when they aren't key players on the team anyway.
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Oscar Lindberg
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I'm not a football fan but it's clear as day the Jets are tanking for Lawrence. If they win him Darnold will be gone.
And Lawrence isn't staying in college another year. Too much money to pass up, too much risk, and it's NY. He's not getting drafted to play in Siberia
And Lawrence isn't staying in college another year. Too much money to pass up, too much risk, and it's NY. He's not getting drafted to play in Siberia
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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You’re right, playing for the Jets is worse than being drafted by Siberia.
I would not rule out Lawerence considering his options if the Jets get the 1 pick. I don’t think it’ll come down to that, but I have no doubt that Lawerence would much prefer other teams to the Jets.
Maximus
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Here's the thing and why I'm torn as to what to do even if we get the #1 overall and even if Lawrence comes out of school which I'm still not convinced he 100% will if it's the Jets who have the #1 overall. But let's say for arguments sake Lawrence comes out and Jets have #1 overall.
Why are we to believe that if we select Lawrence withought a competent O-Line and weapons which are below par at best, that he'll do much better than Sam has?
Also this means we would be dealing Sam. I've read and heard comments that we should be able to get a late 1st round pick for him. But wouldn't that mean his play warrants a 1st round pick? If the perception is Sam warrants a 1st round pick in return, why the f*** would we trade him?
Which leads me once again to the conundrum I have going on in my head. We I believe already have 4 or 5 1st and 2nd round picks in the next draft. What could we get if we dealt the #1 overall pick? Probably a ton...yes? These additional #1 and #2 round picks we could get would be additional ammo to build around Sam.
The only thing that is somewhat of a negative here is we need to pay Sam 15-20 mill per for his next contract. But if we trust Douglass and I do, with all this draft capital and a shit ton of cap space to go after, Darnold within a year or two at most woulld have a competent O-line where he wouldn't be running for his life and would be able to make more than one read. He'd have solid weapons who can create separation to throw the ball too. And we'd be able to build up the defense so that that we could have a better handle on field position.
The main benefit I see in taking Lawrence is we get to do a reset as he'd be on a rookie contract. But he'd still be dealing with alot of the shit Sam has been dealing with. I dunno, it's a close call but right now I'd lean towards keeping Sam, pay him hopefully a fair amount for his 2nd contract and build a f'n wall around him with all the assets we had. That to me seems the quickest and most effective way for the Jets to get back to not only relevance but to be competitive for the playoffs. Oh I forgot...Gase would be gone which is huge!
I know I'm probably on an island here with alot of gorgeous Tahitian woman btw and everyone thinks Lawrence is the cat's meow but F it...I'm used to it and that's fine with me. I still believe in Sam and not ready to give up on him especially if the moves I've discussed happen which they should be able to.
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it’s not clear why a person who isn’t a football fan could make such a comment.
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too much to sift through yet IMO Archie didn’t want Eli in the same position he was in for his entire career. Archie Manning was a good QB stuck with a miserable New Orleans team his whole career.
The Jets, as bad as they've been since the end of the Rex Ryan era, aren't like a three-win team every year. Lawrence would be old enough to remember them in back-to-back AFC Championship games. They were .500 or better 8 times in a 10 year stretch and made the playoffs six times. That's not some amazing accomplishment but there are plenty of teams who won't do that in that time period.
The past decade, which Lawrence will of course remember, has obviously been terrible. But, if you're Douglas, you try to sell him on the fact that a) New York, b) you have a long-term plan for success which began last year with a housecleaning, c) your owner has been supportive of players (CJ has been) and is also willing to spend, and d) your new coach is young, smart, and can really design an offense. That's not to say it's an easy sell, but the whole "Siberia" thing is obvious hyperbole. You've got teams like Cleveland, Washington, Detroit, et al, that have been even worse over the past couple decades. You could hold out to avoid NYJ and end up in an even worse spot.
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