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Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VII

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Edge said:
I agree, I think Greig is right in that mix.

I don't know if he'd scratch the itch for people wanting the big homerun swing though. However, I do think Greig and Lafreniere would give the Rangers two young players with the potential to play important roles on a championship calibre team.
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Greig, Wiessblatt, Evangelista, Heineman, Torgersson, Cuylle are guys not thought of as 1st round talents but these are guys that all have that maybe factor and pretty high floors (kind of categorize Holloway that way too) so if they don't hit their ceiling you're probably still going to have a really good player. I also look at someone like Groshev who is a big kid who skates pretty well and played all last year in the KHL--though he didn't put up much as far as numbers. He could be a sleeper too.....and if Guhle's around at 22 I'd be interested.

I think there are going to be some very good options for us--and maybe if the cost is too prohibitive to move up---move down instead and maybe pick up a couple of guys like the above.
 
Edge said:
I think Khustnutdinov is a good guess and I've had similar suspicisions.

I will say that I don't know if he's a center at the higher levels. So if someone is drafting him, or giving bonus points for being a center, I'm not sure he's going to check that box in the long run.
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I believe you had mentioned that they were big fans of Jake Neighbours, do you see him as a possibility at 22?
 
Edge said:
Right now, if I had to guess, I think they end up staying put (if they keep the pick).

There are certain names, that for a variety of reasons, I tend to have a hard time seeing at the top of their list --- Perrault, Mysak and Bourque immediately come to mind. I don't have anything definitive to back that up. In the case of guys like Perrault and Bourque (and even someone like Gunler), I've found that whenever someone mentions concerns about personality or effort, even in passing, it usually means the guy isn't at the top of their list - regardless of the talent level. I'm not saying it's right or fair, it's just an observation.

Zary is a kid I can't help but feel they've cooled on a bit. Amirov is a kid they suppossedly like.

The Rangers have beefed up their WHL staff in recent years, and if I had to guess, I think Guhle and Greig might be guys who scored pretty highly for them. Greig is a kid who tends to be ranked higher in scout surveys than on fan lists. The Rangers are one of the teams who chat with Bob McKenzie and I don't find it to be a complete coincidence that Greig was ranked 24th there, back when that was the position of the Rangers other first round pick. Personally, I have Greig in the early 30s. But I am beginning to suspect he might be someone the Rangers really like. However, I do not have confirmation of that yet.
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Nothing really surprising. Given the profile of who they have been drafting lately, not at all shocking that the likes of Perrault or Gunler may not be high on their list. Whereas an Amirov, size aside, seems to check all the boxes. As does Greig.
 
An overage dman that I’d keep an eye on in later rounds is Jake Lee. He’s got a really good size/athleticism combo, and I think with the right coaching could become a good 3rd pairing dman.

He definitely gets caught trying to do too much with the puck sometimes, but I think if he simplifies his approach, it’ll fit nicely into the modern game. If it all breaks for him, I could see him being a Hainsey type of player.
 
For whatever reason I have a feeling we are eyeing the 16th pick to move up. The 16th pick has been pretty good guys like Tarasenko and Barzal were picked there I think. Moving up 6 shouldnt cost a lot although moving From 26 to 22 in 2028 cost a 2nd
 
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
 
Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:
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I'm assuming you're asking if I do those deals should these guys were on the board at 16/17

1. Guhle - No
2. Mercer - Maybe
3. Jarvis -No
4. Holloway - No
5. Lundell - 100% yes
6. Gunler - No
7. Amirov - Maybe
8. Askarov - No
 
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Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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1. Lundell
2. Gunler
3. Mercer
4. Amirov
5. Guhle
6. Holloway
7. Jarvis
8. Askarov

The bolded "yes", the italicized, not sure", the last three, "no".
 
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Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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That's a real interesting one. I've read he's the best goalie prospect in the draft since Price.

Simply from a value/organizational strength perspective...I'd think long and hard on him.
 
Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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Players I would move up for:

Lundell
Gunler
Amirov
Jarvis
 
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Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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May...be?
HELL YAY
BIGGER HELL YAY
BIGGER HELL NAY THAN THE JARVIS HELL YAY
HELL YAY
Nay
Yay. Hes grown on me.
Nay
 
Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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In thinking about it a bit more, moving NHL talent to only move up 5 slots seems like bad value. You would have to feel very confident that the pick/player you're getting has a high probability of making the NHL and in a position of need. Almost like a building block. That's why most move ups in the draft are done with picks. And when a player is traded he's often traded outright for a pick. Like Schneider/Horvat.

The Rangers are in a real in-between place. They're not at the start of the rebuild. They have quite a few pieces. Plus they are likely closer to the playoffs than not. So, not sure they move up and use NHL talent to pick someone unless they were very confident the player will make the NHL in an impact role and they'd likely focus on players who are not nec 2-3 years away from turning pro.

So, I'd likely only do that for Lundell. Maybe Mercer. I do like Gunler and Amirov a lot, but unclear if we go all out for them.

I'd use other picks to move up for Mercer, Holloway, Amirov and def Gunler IF those are our only targets and a bunch come off the board prior to 22.

If we didn't have faith in Igor, I would move to get Askarov.

I'm more and more open to Marat K. I just like his game a lot. He's fearless.
 
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Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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I'd definitely feel better about using Georgiev to move up than Lemieux, that said:
1. Guhle - No
2. Mercer - Sure
3. Jarvis - Nah
4. Holloway - No
5. Lundell - Definitely
6. Gunler - Nah
7. Amirov - Sure
8. Askarov - No
 
gravey9 said:
In thinking about it a bit more, moving NHL talent to only move up 5 slots seems like bad value. You would have to feel very confident that the pick/player you're getting has a high probability of making the NHL and in a position of need. Almost like a building block. That's why most move ups in the draft are done with picks. And when a player is traded he's often traded outright for a pick. Like Schneider/Horvat.

The Rangers are in a real in-between place. They're not at the start of the rebuild. They have quite a few pieces. Plus they are likely closer to the playoffs than not. So, not sure they move up and use NHL talent to pick someone unless they were very confident the player will make the NHL in an impact role and they'd likely focus on players who are not nec 2-3 years away from turning pro.

So, I'd likely only do that for Lundell. Maybe Mercer. I do like Gunler and Amirov a lot, but unclear if we go all out for them.

I'd use other picks to move up for Mercer, Holloway, Amirov and def Gunler IF those are our only targets and a bunch come off the board prior to 22.

If we didn't have faith in Igor, I would move to get Askarov.

I'm more and more open to Marat K. I just like his game a lot. He's fearless.
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I think the Rangers are more likely than not to stay put, with rare exception. I think there'd be more hesitation to move a skater (Lemieux) than there would be to move Georgiev, or even both third round picks in place of a second.
 
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Edge said:
I think the Rangers are more likely than not to stay put, with rare exception. I think there'd be more hesitation to move a skater (Lemieux) than there would be to move Georgiev, or even both third round picks in place of a second.
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If we used Georgy, I think it would need to be: Georgy + #22 for #17 + #78 or #48. That would make more sense. Blackhawks have 2 3rd rounders.
 
gravey9 said:
If we used Georgy, I think it would need to be: Georgy + #22 for #17 + #78 or #48. That would make more sense. Blackhawks have 2 3rd rounders.
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I'm personally not sure the market for Georgiev is much higher than a second right now. But, it's certainly possible the Rangers ask for something to sweeten the pot and make the claim they are giving up young goalie with a shot to be a starter in the NHL (as opposed to a wildcard pick).
 
Edge said:
For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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1. Guhle - Nay
2. Mercer - Yay (on former)
3. Jarvis - Yay
4. Holloway - Yay
5. Lundell - Clearly
6. Gunler - nay
7. Amirov - Nay
8. Askarov - Maybe
 
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