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haha ok. that sight needs to check that site's GM AI code. I would love to get those 5 draft picks for just the 22nd. That is some monstrous value.
Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VII
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Joey Bones
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Most of that I would view as the minimal experience outside the MHL. He has a small sample size of international play, but not enough experience on a tougher league or play. Think that's the reason why he drops, even though he deserves to go in the late 1st round.
Joey Bones
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Agreed, this is relatively a week class for defenders. Not too much riding on pro career potential with most outside the aforementioned blue-liners. Development is key in on the rest.
Joey Bones
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Most likely.
It's not the best crop of goalies, but seeing that Lindbom is the only keeper outside the organization, they're going to need some more homegrown talent to sit on and see how they sprout. The keepers I'm looking out for (including Asakrov) are (in alphabetical order) Artur Akhtyamov, Joel Blomqvist, Calle Clang, Drew Commesso, Dylan Garand, Devon Levi, Vsevolod Skotnikov, and overagers Taylor Gauthier, Samuel Hlavaj, Lassi Lehtinen, Amir Miftakhov, Jesper Myrenberg, Dmitri Nikolayev and Janis Voris.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Some really good 2nd and 3rd year eligible goalies in the 6th and 7th, and of course Joel Blomqvist from Finland who is projected in the 3rd. Calle Clang from Sweden in the same range.
Joel Blomqvist (Kärpät - Junior A Liiga)
Calle Clang (Rögle - SuperElit)
Jan Bednar (Karlovy Vary - ELH)
Brayden Peters (Calgary - WHL)
Artur Akhtyamov (Irbis - MHL)
Lassi Lehtinen (Lukko - Liiga)
Samuel Hlavaj (Lincoln - USHL)
Nico Daws (Guelph - OHL)
Amir Miftakhov (Kazan - VHL)
As long as they stay away from goalies in the first and second round (if they acquire picks), I'm good. There are some nice goalies available this year and after signing Huska and Wall in the last 2 off seasons and not picking one last year, I do expect them to go after a goalie this draft.
Not familiar with these guys outside of Daws from the WJC. Heard that there were some really good D+2 goalies out there. I think those are good picks, already developed, upward trajectory, known quantity. Would be great to snag one or two with a 4th or later.
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Assuming Blomqvist isn’t an option in the third, Clang, Daws and Garand were goalies I liked a little further back in the draft.
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I'd almost say two guys from the CHL would be pretty noteworthy as well.
I'd say there's a very good chance the Rangers go European with the 22nd pick.
I feel like we've been discussing more NA guys in that spot...who are you thinking for European options (assuming no trade up)? reichel? gunler?
We also do not know if there would be a guy that they like head and shoulders above the field or if they have a tier of players that they view pretty similarly. Chances are there will be a group comprised of the likes of Mysak, Perreault, Zary, Amirov. The question becomes is there someone they like more than others and Gorton would be aggressive and make a move to get or will they sit still and pick from the sub-tier that exists within a tier? Or, if the tier is wide enough, even trade back a bit?
I'm with you. The Rangers "look" to have high end talent. Not sure that taking a home run swing is necessary at this point. Perhaps a value pick would be a better choice.
NYR Viper
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I'm less interested in moving Georgiev to move up 4-5 slots as I am in moving him fr a 2nd this year + 2nd next year. Hello Ottawa Senators with (4) 2nd round picks this year and (3) next year already.
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I would go with Byfield at 22 but I'm not sure he'll still be on the board.
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Gunler could be a possibility, though I do know there's at least some concern expressed by people within the organization.
Both Reichel and Peterka could be possibilities. The Rangers have spent a lot of time looking at Germany in recent years, but have yet to pull the trigger on taking someone from there.
Amirov is a kid I know they really like. Khusnutdinov's talent is very intriguing in that spot. Maybe even someone much of the board might consider a bit of a stretch like Torgersson or even Neiderbach.
Right now, if I had to guess, I think they end up staying put (if they keep the pick).
There are certain names, that for a variety of reasons, I tend to have a hard time seeing at the top of their list --- Perrault, Mysak and Bourque immediately come to mind. I don't have anything definitive to back that up. In the case of guys like Perrault and Bourque (and even someone like Gunler), I've found that whenever someone mentions concerns about personality or effort, even in passing, it usually means the guy isn't at the top of their list - regardless of the talent level. I'm not saying it's right or fair, it's just an observation.
Zary is a kid I can't help but feel they've cooled on a bit. Amirov is a kid they suppossedly like.
The Rangers have beefed up their WHL staff in recent years, and if I had to guess, I think Guhle and Greig might be guys who scored pretty highly for them. Greig is a kid who tends to be ranked higher in scout surveys than on fan lists. The Rangers are one of the teams who chat with Bob McKenzie and I don't find it to be a complete coincidence that Greig was ranked 24th there, back when that was the position of the Rangers other first round pick. Personally, I have Greig in the early 30s. But I am beginning to suspect he might be someone the Rangers really like. However, I do not have confirmation of that yet.
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I don't know enough about Greig to make a comment about him
Torgersson and Neiderbach would be interesting picks at 22, I have them pegged a second round guys but I wouldn't necessarily be upset if they go in the first
Torgersson and Neiderbach would be interesting picks at 22, I have them pegged a second round guys but I wouldn't necessarily be upset if they go in the first
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Greig to me is a support player who's draft day value could depend on whether you think he's a guy who leans more toward a middle six classification, or whether you think he's more of a straight third liner. Additionally, it can depend on whether you view him as a center, a LW, or a bit of a utility player who can skate in both circles.
Greig is a skill/grit combination, albeit in a slightly undersized package. His ranking is a bit all over place because there is some question about just high the ceiling is. In many ways he's a lot like Jarvis in the sense that there's not a ton of individual attributes that scream higher-end talent. However, he works his ass off and gets the most out of his talent.
I think his value is higher if you think he can stick at center at the NHL level, and that he has more room for growth (physically and skillwise) as one of the draft's younger talents.
Greig is not going to be the kid with the highest offensive upside in his range. But he would fit the mold of a guy who can pop in some points and give you other attributes.
When he played center, at times he reminded me of Brandon Dubinsky at the same age. And even now, there's some crossover there in terms of position, some style elements, size at the time of being drafted, and maybe even offensive upside.
I could also see where someone like Steve Konowalchuk sees elements of himself in someone like Greig.
the cost to move up 4-5 spots is typically a 2nd rounder. so using him to move up would be the same as trading him for a 2nd value-wise
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And no sooner did I post about Greig, that someone sent me a PM about him. They're cool with me posting this here:
Q. So why don't you think Greig sticks at center? Where are your concerns?
A. The short answer is that I am unsure if he sticks at center. I think he's creative enough to play there, I think his overall instincts are really good. But there are three areas that concern me with Greig as a center and not a wing.
The first is faceoff ability. Like Bourque, and what seems like a long list of forwards in this draft, Greig has struggled in that department. Sticking at center can be hard enough for guys who have a knack for those types of details. It's even harder when they're not mastering the art against teenagers.
The second is some of his decisions at center. There are times Greig borders on forcing a play or doesn't always make the best choices at center. Some of that could be experience, but I found it to be less frequent when he played on the wing. I don't totally know if Greig is the guy I want setting up the play on a primary offensive, so much as the guy who gets himself into position while playing with someone who is a little more consistent in the regard.
The third concern is whether his size/strength, even with maturity will work as a center in the NHL. That's potentially less of a concern if you view him as a second line center, but it might be a little more of an issue if you're eyeing him for a third line role. It also depends on how you project his physical growth. It's not impossible for him to reach 6'0, 190-200 pounds at the NHL level, but that's going to take some time and patience.
None of these are reasons not to draft Greig, who is a very good prospect. I just think you have to account for these elements when determining value, draft position, and projections. To the latter point, I'm not sure Greig has quite as clear of a trajectory as some of the other options. However, he definitely has value and legit NHL potential.
Q. So why don't you think Greig sticks at center? Where are your concerns?
A. The short answer is that I am unsure if he sticks at center. I think he's creative enough to play there, I think his overall instincts are really good. But there are three areas that concern me with Greig as a center and not a wing.
The first is faceoff ability. Like Bourque, and what seems like a long list of forwards in this draft, Greig has struggled in that department. Sticking at center can be hard enough for guys who have a knack for those types of details. It's even harder when they're not mastering the art against teenagers.
The second is some of his decisions at center. There are times Greig borders on forcing a play or doesn't always make the best choices at center. Some of that could be experience, but I found it to be less frequent when he played on the wing. I don't totally know if Greig is the guy I want setting up the play on a primary offensive, so much as the guy who gets himself into position while playing with someone who is a little more consistent in the regard.
The third concern is whether his size/strength, even with maturity will work as a center in the NHL. That's potentially less of a concern if you view him as a second line center, but it might be a little more of an issue if you're eyeing him for a third line role. It also depends on how you project his physical growth. It's not impossible for him to reach 6'0, 190-200 pounds at the NHL level, but that's going to take some time and patience.
None of these are reasons not to draft Greig, who is a very good prospect. I just think you have to account for these elements when determining value, draft position, and projections. To the latter point, I'm not sure Greig has quite as clear of a trajectory as some of the other options. However, he definitely has value and legit NHL potential.
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There may be a guy or two or three out of this draft who might seem to be in that tweener state of whether to take them in the first or second round--that several years down the road they turn out to be the Justin Williams or the Robert Thomas of this draft and Greig seems to be one of the possible candidates to be that (which isn't to say he will). It seems to me when you're looking for that player---sometimes it's a guy that's rising but compete can be a big deal--guys that are always finding a way to make a difference but they still have to have a pretty decent skillset and pretty good skating.
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My gut is telling me it will be some like Marat Khusnutdinov. It checks all the boxes. Value at #22 is right about there. Center. Euro. Riser. Russian-so-maybe-slightly-devalued-by-other-teams-so-he-falls-a-bit-but-would-be-a-15th-overall-if-his-name-was-Guy-Ontario.
My ideal draft this year is Laf at #1 and a center at #22. A center and winger with our two 3rds, and then look for hidden gem D and G in all the rest of the picks.
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I agree, I think Greig is right in that mix.
I don't know if he'd scratch the itch for people wanting the big homerun swing though. However, I do think Greig and Lafreniere would give the Rangers two young players with the potential to play important roles on a championship calibre team.
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I think Khustnutdinov is a good guess and I've had similar suspicisions.
I will say that I don't know if he's a center at the higher levels. So if someone is drafting him, or giving bonus points for being a center, I'm not sure he's going to check that box in the long run.
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