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Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VII

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Is the Pittsburgh/Chicago model really one to emulate though? Cap circumventing contracts (from 2 CBAs ago no less!), that aren’t allowed anymore, to generational talents played more of a part in their long term success than knowing when to cycle in/out cheap depth, imo.

If you’re a Chicago or a Pittsburgh, paying Sidney Crosby and Duncan Keith way less than they’re worth for a decade+ affords you that ability to cycle the depth players. Not sure how feasible the strategy is anymore.

At this point, I’d say the Los Angeles model is best case scenario. Just don’t be silly and get attached to bad/rapidly declining players (this is inevitable for every team that has success, we should know best).
 
I've been thinking about Perreault if Holloway is unavailable at 22. I know Jacob has a reputation as being lazy and could give a f*** about the defensive part of his position but all the skills are there. He's also a center and solidly built--though more of a shooting center. It's the attitude and compete that might need the work more than the other stuff. Still he would project as a 2C--probably could also play as a 3C though his defending might be shaky and we'd be better off with him as a wing in that case.
 
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eco's bones said:
I've been thinking about Perreault if Holloway is unavailable at 22. I know Jacob has a reputation as being lazy and could give a f*** about the defensive part of his position but all the skills are there. He's also a center and solidly built--though more of a shooting center. It's the attitude and compete that might need the work more than the other stuff. Still he would project as a 2C--probably could also play as a 3C though his defending might be shaky and we'd be better off with him as a wing in that case.
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Focus was on the shift to the wing this season. He's one of those guys that certain sites keep listing as a center though. I really wish some of these sites were more on top of these things.
 
JohnC said:
Is the Pittsburgh/Chicago model really one to emulate though? Cap circumventing contracts (from 2 CBAs ago no less!), that aren’t allowed anymore, to generational talents played more of a part in their long term success than knowing when to cycle in/out cheap depth, imo.

If you’re a Chicago or a Pittsburgh, paying Sidney Crosby and Duncan Keith way less than they’re worth for a decade+ affords you that ability to cycle the depth players. Not sure how feasible the strategy is anymore.

At this point, I’d say the Los Angeles model is best case scenario. Just don’t be silly and get attached to bad/rapidly declining players (this is inevitable for every team that has success, we should know best).
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If Tampa can fit all of their talent then I think we should be able to.
 
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Chytilmania said:
If Tampa can fit all of their talent then I think we should be able to.
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They have a better tax system in florida so the contracts can be smaller but equal the same money in the end and they are gonna be offloading some guys next year.
 
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Edge said:
Focus was on the shift to the wing this season. He's one of those guys that certain sites keep listing as a center though. I really wish some of these sites were more on top of these things.
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FWIW the draft dynasty guy talks about him as a wing and the scouching guy talks about him as a center. The Black Book has him as a right wing and Elite Prospects as a center--so we're all over the map. If he has too many issues defending as a center he's almost certainly going to end up a wing.
 
Chytilmania said:
If Tampa can fit all of their talent then I think we should be able to.
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Tampa has the no state tax circumvention of their side. Apples to oranges.

And for all the advantages it’s provided them, they’ve still “underachieved” (for lack of a better word).
 
JohnC said:
Tampa has the no state tax circumvention of their side. Apples to oranges.

And for all the advantages it’s provided them, they’ve still “underachieved” (for lack of a better word).
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Tampa has also gotten players to buy into not taking huge second contracts which helps them a lot
 
Mercogliano messing around with the simulator:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lohud.com/amp/5757328002

I like Bourque personally, and would be cool with him as a pick. My two biggest uncertainties center on him sticking at center - which I really wonder about, and whether he fits the Rangers M.O. for guys who show a consistent effort.

If I’m going off the Rangers traditional approach, I can’t help but feel Greig and Khusnutdinov probably “feel” more like Rangers picks.
 
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Edge said:
I'm personally not sure the market for Georgiev is much higher than a second right now. But, it's certainly possible the Rangers ask for something to sweeten the pot and make the claim they are giving up young goalie with a shot to be a starter in the NHL (as opposed to a wildcard pick).
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The two shouldn't be compared, but if Barclay Goodrow can get a 1st at the deadline then Georgiev could easily get a 1st.
 
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Joey Bones said:
The two shouldn't be compared, but if Barclay Goodrow can get a 1st at the deadline then Georgiev could easily get a 1st.
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In theory, I agree. But I also think if Georgiev could fetch the Rangers a first, we’d probably have seen him moved for a roster play equivalent by now.

I’ll speculate he could probably get you a fairly decent second round pick right now, or a steady bottom six roster player. But I’ll gladly take the first if someone wants to offer it up.
 
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For the sake of conversation, let's assume the cost to move up is 22 and Georgiev for Chicago's pick at 17, and something along the lines of 22, a third round pick and Lemieux for Montreal's pick at 16.

Yay or Nay:

1. Guhle
2. Mercer
3. Jarvis
4. Holloway
5. Lundell
6. Gunler
7. Amirov
8. Askarov
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I think I'd hold onto Lemieux as long as cost controllably possible. With that said, Georgiev seems the most logical to be traded for a possible move up or to gain an asset that NYR needs (like center depth). But to humor the exercise, if NYR traded Georgiev and No. 22 for No. 17....

1. Guhle (No)
2. Mercer (Yes)
3. Jarvis (Yes)
4. Holloway (Maybe)
5. Lundell (No Brainer!!)
6. Gunler (No)
7. Amirov (Maybe)
8. Askarov (Shockingly, Yes)
 
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Ran draftsim for the first time in a few weeks and I'm pretty satisfied with the results:

1. Lafreniere
22. RW Seth Jarvis- Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
71. RW Luke Evangelista- London Knights (OHL)
90. C Jack Finley- Spokane Chiefs (WHL)
102. LW Brett Berard- US NTDP
133. RW William Dufour- Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)
164. C Blake Biondi- Hermantown High (USHS)
195. RD Mason Langenbrunner- Eden Prarie High (USHS)
196. C Parker Ford- Providence College (NCAA)
205. C Senna Peeters- Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
 
UnSandvich said:
Ran draftsim for the first time in a few weeks and I'm pretty satisfied with the results:

1. Lafreniere
22. RW Seth Jarvis- Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
71. RW Luke Evangelista- London Knights (OHL)
90. C Jack Finley- Spokane Chiefs (WHL)
102. LW Brett Berard- US NTDP
133. RW William Dufour- Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)
164. C Blake Biondi- Hermantown High (USHS)
195. RD Mason Langenbrunner- Eden Prarie High (USHS)
196. C Parker Ford- Providence College (NCAA)
205. C Senna Peeters- Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
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I’ll tell you this much, if by some weird chance DraftSim correctly predicts either Jarvis or Mercer being in on the board at 22, this board should host a Zoom Happy Hour celebration. Because that’s already an “A+” draft without any other picks taking place.
 
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Edge said:
I’ll tell you this much, if by some weird chance DraftSim correctly predicts either Jarvis or Mercer being in on the board at 22, this board should host a Zoom Happy Hour celebration. Because that’s already an “A+” draft without any other picks taking place.
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Mercer lasted til 20, so well within trade up range
 
Edge said:
I’ll tell you this much, if by some weird chance DraftSim correctly predicts either Jarvis or Mercer being in on the board at 22, this board should host a Zoom Happy Hour celebration. Because that’s already an “A+” draft without any other picks taking place.
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Can we do a board Zoom during the draft?
 
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Edge said:
He does have a very good motor and plays a complete game.

I'd put him in the category of someone who is likely to play in the NHL, but whose ultimate offensive output might be a little unclear.

To your point, he's going to fall into the category some people don't like --- aka a guy who isn't as big of a swing and isn't likely to emerge as one of the draft's premiere offensive talents.

As a board, at least based on comments, I think we're somewhat divided on that.

With Lafreniere on board, some people are okay finding the support player who spends 10 solid, if unspectacular years in the NHL. Others view Lafreniere as a safety net to take that big homerun swing and see if you can find someone who is an upper-tier NHL talent.

And that difference could be of the Amirov vs. Khusnutdinov; Perrault vs. Greig variety.
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I know his popularity has diminished around here but I actually see Gunler as one of the safest forward prospects who could end up in the 22 range. He became a very different player in the SHL last season compared to the sniper reputation he built in u20. He was trusted defensively and showed the makings of a complete player. He’s got size, speed, and can score. Seems like a great fit for the Rangers. He stuck on a strong Lulea team and we watched plenty of him following Lundkvist.

I know we want a center but I’m not convinced any of Holloway, Mercer, or Khusnutdinov end up in the middle.
 
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