Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VI

[Edge]

We don’t have our 2nd rounder from the Fox trade

On the bright side, our third round draft positions will both be one pick higher as a result of the punishment handed down to Arizona.

Not a huge deal, but every little boost puts the Rangers closer to getting their guys and not having them drafted by other teams.

 

[Leetch3]

In terms of BPA/closer to ready crossovers --- I think Lundell and Mercer have that combination. I think both guys would also fit right in like a glove.

But, to your point, which I agree with, assuming neither is on the board and the Rangers can't/don't trade up, I don't think there's another player for whom "closer to read" would be a factor.

I like Holloway more than most on this board, but I would definitely not put him in that category. He's going to need time, and ideally, structure.

To be perfectly honest, with what's happening and in light of the NCAA's recent declaration that players won't lose eligibility by playing junior hockey, a move to the WHL might do wonders for him.

'closer to a finished product' might be a better term than 'closer to ready' because it makes it easier to judge the potential. but I cringe at that term because I think many fans look at in terms of fantasy GM roster building of getting draft picks immediately into the lineup...and at 22 the odds of that pick stepping right in isn't that high.

there can by different opinions of what BPA means but to me it is the player that you believe will be the best NHLer in 5 years, that guy isn't always the better player at 18. and as discussed countless times, there are tiers where you have a group of guys projected to be similar players. within those tiers you can take into account factors like position, style fit, and readiness. but the odds of someone checking all of the boxes is unlikely...

if you project player A as a 2nd liner and player B as a 2nd liner but player A is a year away and player B will probably take much longer, than by all means take the more ready player. But if player A projects as a 2nd/3rd liner player and is ready now but Player B projects as a 1st line player but will take 3-4 years I'll gladly wait.

 

[eco's bones]

Lundell's already played two seasons in Liiga--the top Finnish league and I think he's going to have a letter this year which kind of tells you he's got a lot of respect from his teammates. I don't expect him however to play in the NHL this coming year--his league will already be going by the time the draft comes around so at least until that's over I expect he'll be with them but that said whoever drafts him is going to have him on their team really soon.

That Quebecer who does draft videos thinks Schneider could play really quick but that's more because according to him Schneider keeps things simple and he's very good at those things he does simply. Basically high floor that's already within reach and not such a high ceiling.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don't know if I have a nightmare pick, so much as a few guys who concern me a bit more because of various risk factors, or who I think might not quite match the reward I am hoping the Rangers receive. But I can't say I'd dread taking them either.

That list would include Lapierre, Greig, Peterka, Reichel, Khusnutdinov, Barron, and Zary.

I see Perrault is not on your list....hmmm....

 

[DutchShamrock]

Just catching up on the last few days of posts. When it comes to head injuries like what Lapierre has experienced, I feel like how it happened is important. I don't know if it can be answered here, but I wonder if he is getting leveled because of bad habits or if the concussion(s) are simply freak accidents.

Not to draw a direct comparison because Lindros wasn't getting blasted in juniors, but that is an example of bad habits leading to repeated head hits. Head down in his skates watching the puck. Always bigger and intimidating so he didn't get leveled as a young player.

I don't know, but I would want to know that when I make a risk assessment. If Lapierre got some bad luck or dirty hits, it becomes more palatable. If he lacks awareness AND he has an injury history... I'm inclined to pass.

 

[Joey Bones]

its says amateur so I think major juniors is still off the table...will those leagues be playing? it is certainly better than nothing as teams and players try to figure out what to do if their seasons are canceled.

The CHL has a return to play plan. Not sure when it commences, though. This will primarily work with the BCHL, AJHL, NAHL, and equivalent leagues. Not sure if the USHL is considered amateur.

 

[Leetch3]

The CHL has a return to play plan. Not sure when it commences, though. This will primarily work with the BCHL, AJHL, NAHL, and equivalent leagues. Not sure if the USHL is considered amateur.

I would think that this would apply to any league that guys play in before being drafted to remain NCAA eligible. which means it would be a big step down for most guys but better than the alternative of not playing at all I guess.

 

[Joey Bones]

I've seen so many of the guys around our pick being talked up that I'm not sure if I have genuine reservations about taking anybody discussed in that 21-24 range.

Question for the draft aficionados: who is a bit of a nightmare pick for you in that spot? I need something to fear.

Bourque and to some extent Perreault, although I wouldn't mind the pick. Both have a complete lack of effort in the defensive zone and it needs to be addressed in their development. All the offensive talent in the world (Bourque for playmaking and Perreault for goal scoring), but we would have to see if they can play in all three zones. Lapierre is risky only due to the previously mentioned injury concerns. Zary wouldn't be a bad pick there, either, but he has skating issues.

I think if they went way off the board for someone then you should be scared or if they go with someone like Poirier. I have Poirier as a no draft. Stay away!!

And don't let @GoAwayStaal fool you, Holloway won't be a bad pick at N0. 21-24, lolol.

 

[Joey Bones]

That one hurts, but I get he shouldn't really be on the radar in that range. But I think you can make a Lapierre-esque (less extreme than Lapierre) case for him

Coming back from a blood-clot is tough. Barron can be really good. I think he could bounce back, if he's healthy.

I do think blood-clot issues are a lot easier to swallow for a team than 2 concussions and a spine injury.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

One man's opinion of course, but this dude just went through a few picks that would be in our range if the Carolina pick isn't moved



Weisblatt love makes me happy.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Coming back from a blood-clot is tough. Barron can be really good. I think he could bounce back, if he's healthy.

I do think blood-clot issues are a lot easier to swallow for a team than 2 concussions and a spine injury.

Stamkos and Kreider have done it. I was also kind of shocked at Barron's numbers in the games he did play, but I looked at what the players on his team did and then how his team did and boy, rough year in Halifax for the Mooseheads

 

[Joey Bones]

Lundell's already played two seasons in Liiga--the top Finnish league and I think he's going to have a letter this year which kind of tells you he's got a lot of respect from his teammates. I don't expect him however to play in the NHL this coming year--his league will already be going by the time the draft comes around so at least until that's over I expect he'll be with them but that said whoever drafts him is going to have him on their team really soon.

That Quebecer who does draft videos thinks Schneider could play really quick but that's more because according to him Schneider keeps things simple and he's very good at those things he does simply. Basically high floor that's already within reach and not such a high ceiling.

Schneider does have a high floor and keeps things simple. He does throw a big hit once in a while. I do think he'll go earlier than expected.

Lundell is already the Assistant Captain with HIFK as an 18 year old. Crazy news and highly respected!!

 

[Joey Bones]

Just catching up on the last few days of posts. When it comes to head injuries like what Lapierre has experienced, I feel like how it happened is important. I don't know if it can be answered here, but I wonder if he is getting leveled because of bad habits or if the concussion(s) are simply freak accidents.

Not to draw a direct comparison because Lindros wasn't getting blasted in juniors, but that is an example of bad habits leading to repeated head hits. Head down in his skates watching the puck. Always bigger and intimidating so he didn't get leveled as a young player.

I don't know, but I would want to know that when I make a risk assessment. If Lapierre got some bad luck or dirty hits, it becomes more palatable. If he lacks awareness AND he has an injury history... I'm inclined to pass.

He skates with his head down and had two unfortunate hits to the head that way. QMJHL needs to do a better job with hits like those, but you also need to keep your head up when you're skating up ice with the puck.

I truly hope he has himself a career because he's uber talented.

 

[Joey Bones]

I would think that this would apply to any league that guys play in before being drafted to remain NCAA eligible. which means it would be a big step down for most guys but better than the alternative of not playing at all I guess.

Right, primarily for undrafted players. It's unfortunate, but at least they'll be able to play. Some players are already making their moves.

 

[Joey Bones]

One man's opinion of course, but this dude just went through a few picks that would be in our range if the Carolina pick isn't moved



Weisblatt love makes me happy.

He's not even considering Askarov in the 1st round? Poor....

Definitely don't agree with his rankings in the later portion. I'm wondering where he has the Germans and Khusnutdinov. Rashevsky in the 1st round? The only one that I could see happening is Weisblatt, but I was hoping he'd be around for NYR in the 3rd. Most likely won't happen, but a man could dream.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He's not even considering Askarov in the 1st round? Poor....

Definitely don't agree with his rankings in the later portion. I'm wondering where he has the Germans and Khusnutdinov. Rashevsky in the 1st round? The only one that I could see happening is Weisblatt, but I was hoping he'd be around for NYR in the 3rd. Most likely won't happen, but a man could dream.

I think he said that he was leaving goalies off of his rankings all together.

Weisblatt won't make it that far. I think he goes in the 2nd and at 21-24 it's probably a bit early to take him but I love everything about his game.

 

[Joey Bones]

Haven't done this in a while. Updated mocks....

2020 NHL Mock Draft & Simulator | Tankathon

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (24) C: Mavrik Bourque (CAN)(5'10"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (24) D: Kaiden Guhle (CAN)(6'3"/187lbs., Shot: Left, Prince Albert/WHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (22) C: Mavrik Bourque (CAN)(5'10"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)
3 (72) D: Michael Benning (CAN)(5'10"/174lbs., Shot: Right, Sherwood Park/AJHL) *U. of Denver Commit, Status Uknown via Covid*
3 (90) C: Tyler Tullio (CAN)(5'9"/161lbs., Shot: Right, Oshawa/OHL)
4 (103) D: Donovan Sebrango (CAN)(6'0"/179lbs., Shot: Left, Kitchener/OHL)
5 (134) D: Kirill Steklov (RUS)(6'5"/190lbs., Shot: Left, London/OHL)
6 (165) C: Logan Barlage (CAN)(6'5"/205lbs., Shot: Right, Lethbridge/WHL) *Overage +1*
7 (194) D: Ryan Helliwell (CAN)(6'1"/176lbs., Shot: Left, Langley/BCHL) *U. of Notre Dame Commit, Status Unknown via Covid*
7 (196) RW: Zachary Okabe (CAN)(5'8"/170lbs., Shot: Right, St. Cloud State/NCAA) *Overage +1*
7 (204) RW: Reid Valade (CAN)(5'10"/168lbs., Shot: Right, Kitchener/OHL)

Doubt this is the class they draft, outside of Lafreniere. I just don't see the Rangers dipping into this many CHL/Canadian players. Don't like the Bourque pick, especially with Gunler, Peterka, Khusnutdinov, Mysak and others there. Benning is an okay gamble in the 3rd, but I don't expect much from him in pros unless his offensive game skyrockets in development. Tullio is a good pick in the 3rd. He battles hard and is pretty quick. Offense probably won't translate. Sebrango is also a good pick in the 4th. Has excellent stretch passing ability and a good defensive awareness. Underrated a bit. Pass on Steklov, however, I'd like to see what he can do in another year with London. Barlage is a decent overager, but nothing special. Similar to Gettinger. Helliwell was being talked about early as a top prospect and fell drastically. Think he could be a good option as an undrafted target, but I wouldn't draft him. Needs to show more enthusiasm on the ice. Pass on Okabe. Valade is interesting. Does things similar to Zary, but to a lesser extent. Could boom with time.

Thoughts?

 

[Joey Bones]

I think he said that he was leaving goalies off of his rankings all together.

Weisblatt won't make it that far. I think he goes in the 2nd and at 21-24 it's probably a bit early to take him but I love everything about his game.

I understand that, but I find it annoying when people contradict themselves saying they're going to rank the "best players of the draft" and exclude a specific position. One of which, could have a player go top 10. It's a bit of a pet peeve to unknowingly be disrespectful for players that deserve to be recognized like that.

Yeah, agreed on Wiesblatt. I think a team could take him in the late 1st, because he has that Konecny-like ability to change games with skill/edge, but I think early to mid 2nd round is where the consensus have him.

 

[eco's bones]

One man's opinion of course, but this dude just went through a few picks that would be in our range if the Carolina pick isn't moved



Weisblatt love makes me happy.

He said he was going to do it in three parts. Wiesblatt and Heineman were interesting. He likes rounded and team oriented players.

 

[eco's bones]

Haven't done this in a while. Updated mocks....

2020 NHL Mock Draft & Simulator | Tankathon

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (24) C: Mavrik Bourque (CAN)(5'10"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (24) D: Kaiden Guhle (CAN)(6'3"/187lbs., Shot: Left, Prince Albert/WHL)

2020 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (22) C: Mavrik Bourque (CAN)(5'10"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Shawinigan/QMJHL)
3 (72) D: Michael Benning (CAN)(5'10"/174lbs., Shot: Right, Sherwood Park/AJHL) *U. of Denver Commit, Status Uknown via Covid*
3 (90) C: Tyler Tullio (CAN)(5'9"/161lbs., Shot: Right, Oshawa/OHL)
4 (103) D: Donovan Sebrango (CAN)(6'0"/179lbs., Shot: Left, Kitchener/OHL)
5 (134) D: Kirill Steklov (RUS)(6'5"/190lbs., Shot: Left, London/OHL)
6 (165) C: Logan Barlage (CAN)(6'5"/205lbs., Shot: Right, Lethbridge/WHL) *Overage +1*
7 (194) D: Ryan Helliwell (CAN)(6'1"/176lbs., Shot: Left, Langley/BCHL) *U. of Notre Dame Commit, Status Unknown via Covid*
7 (196) RW: Zachary Okabe (CAN)(5'8"/170lbs., Shot: Right, St. Cloud State/NCAA) *Overage +1*
7 (204) RW: Reid Valade (CAN)(5'10"/168lbs., Shot: Right, Kitchener/OHL)

Doubt this is the class they draft, outside of Lafreniere. I just don't see the Rangers dipping into this many CHL/Canadian players. Don't like the Bourque pick, especially with Gunler, Peterka, Khusnutdinov, Mysak and others there. Benning is an okay gamble in the 3rd, but I don't expect much from him in pros unless his offensive game skyrockets in development. Tullio is a good pick in the 3rd. He battles hard and is pretty quick. Offense probably won't translate. Sebrango is also a good pick in the 4th. Has excellent stretch passing ability and a good defensive awareness. Underrated a bit. Pass on Steklov, however, I'd like to see what he can do in another year with London. Barlage is a decent overager, but nothing special. Similar to Gettinger. Helliwell was being talked about early as a top prospect and fell drastically. Think he could be a good option as an undrafted target, but I wouldn't draft him. Needs to show more enthusiasm on the ice. Pass on Okabe. Valade is interesting. Does things similar to Zary, but to a lesser extent. Could boom with time.

Thoughts?

I think we can do better than Bourque. Benning is like Joey Keane (another smallish 3rd rd. RD again) all over again only not as good. I don't see any reason to go for a smallish RD unless he's Eamon Powell maybe and he goes well after Benning. We have Fox, DeAngelo and Lundkvist as is and one of them is probably going to move.

I'm alright with Tullio and Sebrango but I like Torgersson and if he's around for either of our 3rd's he's the first guy I'd take and Powell's the second and I'd be willing to move up for him.

Tristen Robins gets taken in the 6th? Clang and Heineman in the 7th?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Are the Rangers the unluckiest lottery winners in history? Both years we need a center and we win the lottery to move into a spot where the consensus is a winger

Swap the two, and you have Hughes and Byfield instead

 

[cwede]

With all 3 series that affect Canes' pick going to game 6's, here are the coin-flip(for each game) liklihoods for each outcome

21st. 14.06%
22nd. 51.56%
23rd. 29,69%
24th. 4.69%

 

[Leetch3]

Haven't done this in a while. Updated mocks....
2020 NHL Mock Draft | 2020 NHL Draft | NHL Draft

1 (1) LW: Alexis Lafreniere (CAN)(6'1"/192lbs., Shot: Left, Rimouski/QMJHL)
1 (24) D: Kaiden Guhle (CAN)(6'3"/187lbs., Shot: Left, Prince Albert/WHL)

where does Kaiden Guhle project most realistically? is he a top 4 guy? and where would he rank compared to Miller, Robertson and Jones? (realizing they are different type of dmen)...

we need forward depth more...but reading scouting reports about his defensive prowess and potential shutdown ability, he kind of sounds like the perfect fit/compliment given the right side that we've built...and sounds like he projects to be the type of D man that we are now trying to fantasy trade for to get as partners for trouba & d'angelo

 

[GAGLine]

where does Kaiden Guhle project most realistically? is he a top 4 guy? and where would he rank compared to Miller, Robertson and Jones? (realizing they are different type of dmen)...

we need forward depth more...but reading scouting reports about his defensive prowess and potential shutdown ability, he kind of sounds like the perfect fit/compliment given the right side that we've built...and sounds like he projects to be the type of D man that we are now trying to fantasy trade for to get as partners for trouba & d'angelo

Yeah, I like what I have read about Guhle. When I do the draftsim thing, I'm always trying to get one of Lundell, Holloway or Guhle with the Carolina pick. I don't think I've managed to get any of them without trading up, but hopefully they won't all go that early in reality. I expect Lundell will be out of reach unless he falls outside the top 12, but even then we'll probably have to trade someone like Buch to get up there, which I would rather not do. The other two could be more realistic possibilities, I think.

 

[mas0764]

Are the Rangers the unluckiest lottery winners in history? Both years we need a center and we win the lottery to move into a spot where the consensus is a winger

Swap the two, and you have Hughes and Byfield instead

Though I’m not sure that’s a better collection of talent overall.

 

[Chytilmania]

where does Kaiden Guhle project most realistically? is he a top 4 guy? and where would he rank compared to Miller, Robertson and Jones? (realizing they are different type of dmen)...

we need forward depth more...but reading scouting reports about his defensive prowess and potential shutdown ability, he kind of sounds like the perfect fit/compliment given the right side that we've built...and sounds like he projects to be the type of D man that we are now trying to fantasy trade for to get as partners for trouba & d'angelo

I've been on the Guhle train for a while but I'm seeing he will likely go higher. I love the type of game he has to fit in on our left side, even though we don't necessarily need him with Robertson and Miller likely ready before he is. But when getting Laf I don't really mind what position we take as long as they are talented.