Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part V

[CaptTennille]

Anyone's thoughts on Michael Gut of Everett and Daniel Ljungman of Linkoping?

Not familiar with Ljungman, but I did catch some Silvertips games this season. Gut never really stood out to me one way or the other. I do remember not being impressed with his skating or puck skills.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ah right that makes sense. UFA is based on 4 calendar years? So he will need to wait til 2021 regardless.

It's until they graduate college. Khodorenko for instance was UFA after 3 years because he played Freshman hockey in his draft year. Fogarty would have been UFA after 5 as he played BCHL first before going to the NCAA

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Anyone's thoughts on Michael Gut of Everett and Daniel Ljungman of Linkoping?

Michael is a Gut prospect

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Michael is a Gut prospect

Get out.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Get out.

And Daniel is a L-jungman

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Probably. Though in that range you have a lot of guys converted from being centers or who could be converted to wings someday.

Any thoughts as to who are the true, undisputed centers in the 1st round? Based on my less informed knowledge, Byfield, Rossi, Lundell seem obvious at the top of the draft. Who else?

 

[eco's bones]

I have him at 24. So here's right in the mix.

Realistically, I can make similar cases for anyone on my list from 15-35.

So there's a lot of options there and not necessarily a right or wrong guy to pick.

Yeah---I don't think we should get locked onto one particular guy (who might not even be there) when there are several other players who might work out just as well.

The Rangers do have guys who can put the puck in the net. Pro-rated Zibanejad would have led the league in goals. Panarin is excellent at finishing too and you have to think that both Kakko and Lafreniere will score a lot of goals. Kreider is good for about 25 a year and Buch isn't a slouch either. We have guys who will shoot and are not shy about it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Michael is a Gut prospect

Just no

 

[Thirty One]

It's until they graduate college. Khodorenko for instance was UFA after 3 years because he played Freshman hockey in his draft year. Fogarty would have been UFA after 5 as he played BCHL first before going to the NCAA

Khodorenko wasn't drafted so he doesn't fit into these rules. He was a UFA because he was no longer draft eligible.

I'm pretty sure Fogarty could have been a UFA the June 1 before his senior year under 8.6(c)(ii), like Mike Reilly.

 

[cwede]

Has David Farrance signed?
Wonder what happens if the NCAA cancels or severely reduces the seasons.

I forgot about him, he's the next big NCAA prize
He has not signed it looks like. I'll be interested to see what he does if the season gets cancelled like you said. Does he really want to waste a year to pick his spot, or would he suck it up and just take the money from Nashville

Ah right that makes sense. UFA is based on 4 calendar years? So he will need to wait til 2021 regardless.

It's until they graduate college. Khodorenko for instance was UFA after 3 years because he played Freshman hockey in his draft year. Fogarty would have been UFA after 5 as he played BCHL first before going to the NCAA

i am not a CBA nerd, but my understanding - different rules whether drafted or not

IIRC Khodorenko, never drafted, was UFA as soon as he wasn't drafted at 20

my understanding re guys like Farrance, who were drafted:
drafting team retains rights, as long as he stays in school, up to Aug 15th after he exhausts his eligibility
so there were guys who transferred, and so had to sit out a year midway, whose rights were held for added years - see Jordan Samuels-Thomas, or JD Greenway, currently on TML draft/reserve-list, about to be Sr at Maine

IF Farrance announces he is leaving BU, i believe Nashville has a defined period per CBA to sign him

i actually just found the CBA sections:
Too much legalese for me
Farrance was drafted 2017, prior to enrolling at BU

ARTICLE 8 ENTRY DRAFT
8.6 Reserve List-Exclusive Rights
(c) College Players.
CBA 8.6.(c)
(i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time
of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student
prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and
remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college
class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for
his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation
of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such
Player to retain such rights.
(ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time
of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student
prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does
not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his
college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the
negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following
his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central
Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college
student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student
on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his
fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA
eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the
circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive
right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the
August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college
student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to
retain such rights.
(iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in
accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college
student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry
Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of
his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of
negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following
the graduation of his college class.
(iv) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in
accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college
student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry
Draft and does not remain a bona fide college student through the
graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive
rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth
June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days
after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a
bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona
fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the
Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth
year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is
scheduled to graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in
the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the
exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and
including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a
bona fide college student.
(v) If a Player drafted at age 20 or older is a bona fide college student at the
time of his selection or becomes a bona fide college student while his
drafting Club retains exclusive rights, then his drafting Club shall retain
those rights until the later of: (a) the second June 1 following the date of
his selection, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives
notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided
that if the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced
his fourth year of NCAA eligibility and the Player ceases to be a bona fide
college student on or after January 1 of an academic year, or (2) is in his
fourth year of college, is scheduled to graduate from college at the end of
his fourth year and the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on
or after January 1 of an academic year, or (3) remains a bona fide college
student through the graduation of his college class, then in the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and
including August 15 of that calendar year.
For purposes of the above provisions, the term "graduation of his college
class" shall mean the class with which the Player is scheduled to graduate
during his final semester of attendance (as opposed to his matriculating
class (the class with which he is expected to graduate as of the date of his
original enrollment)). For purposes of clarity, a Player's graduating class
may change during his tenure in college.
Furthermore, a Player shall be deemed to be scheduled to graduate from
college if, at the conclusion of his fourth year of college he would have
been within five percent (5%) of the minimum number of credits required
to graduate, provided, such determination shall be made assuming that in
such fourth year of college Player earned at least the number of credits
equal to the average number of credits for which he had been enrolled
during his first three years of college. It shall be the Player's responsibility
to promptly provide evidence (i.e., official school transcripts and
requirements) that he was or was not scheduled to graduate. Absent
evidence to the contrary, NHL Central Registry shall treat a Player as if he
was scheduled to graduate or remained a bona fide college student through
the graduation of his college class. Furthermore, a Player who is removed
from his Club's Reserve List as a result of the operation of the above
provisions shall be a draft-related Unrestricted Free Agent effective upon
such removal.
Any Club that retains the exclusive rights to a Player who is a bona fide
college student may request, at any time, that such Player promptly
provide a current official school transcript and the school's graduation
requirements.
As a general matter, the above provisions were not intended to cut off, and
shall not have the effect of cutting off, a Club's exclusive negotiating
rights during the period that a Player remains in college.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Khodorenko wasn't drafted so he doesn't fit into these rules. He was a UFA because he was no longer draft eligible.

I'm pretty sure Fogarty could have been a UFA the June 1 before his senior year under 8.6(c)(ii), like Mike Reilly.

Yeah, but if he was, he'd be UFA after 3 years. I couldn't think of an actual example that quickly

Fogarty could have opted for UFA after 4 years, but not while staying in college.

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, but if he was, he'd be UFA after 3 years. I couldn't think of an actual example that quickly

Hugh Jessiman and Al Montoya.

I actually never knew this was a rule. Thought it was four years after the draft regardless.

Fogarty could have opted for UFA after 4 years, but not while staying in college.

Well yeah

 

[aufheben]

Is there a website that has like an aggregate ranking of all the popular draft rankings? I’d like to add something like that to the OP.

 

[nyr2k2]

A college player like Fogarty who played a year of Junior A can become a free agent after his third year in college. That's still four post-draft years, though.

I'm not aware of a situation where a player can become a UFA after three years once he has actually enrolled in college and became a student.

 

[Thirty One]

A college player like Fogarty who played a year of Junior A can become a free agent after his third year in college. That's still four post-draft years, though.

I'm not aware of a situation where a player can become a UFA after three years once he has actually enrolled in college and became a student.

8.6(c)(i)
If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

I don't think we've actually seen this one in practice.

 

[nyr2k2]

Is there a website that has like an aggregate ranking of all the popular draft rankings? I’d like to add something like that to the OP.

Elite Prospects has that, but you have to pay for their premium service.

Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center CONSOLIDATED RANKING TOP 31

If you check the individual player pages for the picks, it lists their "Consolidated Ranking," at least if they're in the top 31.

 

[aufheben]

Elite Prospects has that, but you have to pay for their premium service.

Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center CONSOLIDATED RANKING TOP 31

If you check the individual player pages for the picks, it lists their "Consolidated Ranking," at least if they're in the top 31.

You think if I inform them I moderate HFBoards they’ll let me see for free?

 

[nyr2k2]

8.6(c)(i)
If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

I don't think we've actually seen this one in practice.

Yeah that whole section has always been problematic for me though, since to my knowledge in the entire agreement, there is no definition of "bona fide college student." Like Ciccolini committed to Michigan as a scholarship player way before he was drafted, in 2018. If you said he was now a scholarship athlete and therefore a bona fide college student, then he'd still be tethered to his graduating class.

Of course that section would also seem to apply to a rising sophomore whose class graduates three years after he is drafted. So, whatever, who knows.

 

[nyr2k2]

You think if I inform them I moderate HFBoards they’ll let me see for free?

It would be a good way for them to drum up business, for sure. I've been curious about the quality of their content but I'm honestly not certain I want to pay for it, given I can generally get most of the info elsewhere. If they know what HF is (I'm sure they do) it would seem like a smart move, actually.

 

[Thirty One]

You think if I inform them I moderate HFBoards they’ll let me see for free?

Yeah, people would do anything for a Global Mod.

 

[Edge]

Lundell could/should stick.

Byfield could/should stick.

Lapierre is a playmaking center if he can stay healthy.

Rossi is a candidate to remain. I know some people question that though.

Bourque could stay at center if he puts in the work. I have concerns about the defense and the faceoffs though.

The maybes continue through the other names - Perfetti, Brisson, etc.

Hell, even some guys I love have shifted over like Mercer and Jarvis.

This is not like the 2019 draft when it comes to centers. At least in my personal opinion.

 

[Joey Bones]

He did one on Perrault as well.

I was trying to find it, but had an emergency to run out to, lolol.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Perrault is a kid who could definitely be worth the gamble depending on who is out there.

So long as you can live with the fact that your gamble might not pay-off and other players might do better.

It's one thing to say you're willing to assume the risk. It's another to accept the risk not working out and seeing the player picked one or two slots later putting up 25 goals for a team.

Watching the Scouching report, damn is that type of offensive potential enticing. He has his flaws no doubt. The question to me is whether he's coachable, because that's where the flaws could be ironed out.

 

[surlysailor]

What’s the story on Antonio stranges? I honestly don’t have time to watch many prospects anymore but the kid is intriguing. Is he more likely a Michael st. Croix or could he be a steal in the mid to late rounds?

 

[aufheben]

This is the first time I checked off every “need” on that draft sim. No idea if any of these kids are good lol.

‪(1) Alexis Lafreniere, LW‬
‪(23) Tyson Foerster, C‬
‪(72) Jaromir Pytlik, C‬
‪(86) Carson Bantle, LW‬
‪(103) Yevgeni Oksentyuk, RW/LW‬
‪(134) Juuso Maenpaa, C‬
‪(165) Ethan Edwards, LD‬
‪(196) Bogdan Trineyev, RW‬
‪(197) Jake Boltmann, RD‬
‪(205) Vsevolod Skotnikov, G‬