Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part V

[Edge]

I don’t think sane fans expect a 1C out of this draft. What’s more likely is we find our future 2C to be behind Mika long-term whether with the CAR 1st or through using that pick for a trade.

If we are hellbent on getting a C at some point, Laf in a way counts as us taking a center kind of since he leads and creates on his own line, IMO.

And frankly finding that second line center might be somewhat difficult, if not different than what we might envision if we’re looking at this draft.

One of the popular questions over the last few months has been why the Rangers seemingly weren’t as keen to the idea of trading a roster player for high pick to grab a center. And the simple answer could be that options for a true center are somewhat linited. Then you factor in potential cost, and timeline, and we might have to consider finding a center via a different route.

 

[Polar Bear]

And frankly finding that second line center might be somewhat difficult, if not different than what we might envision if we’re looking at this draft.

One of the popular questions over the last few months has been why the Rangers seemingly weren’t as keen to the idea of trading a roster player for high pick to grab a center. And the simple answer could be that options for a true center are somewhat interested. Then you factor in potential cost, and timeline, and we might have to consider finding a center via a different route.

That timeline might just include trying Chytil at the 2C next season or riding another season with Strome until something presents itself.

But again, I find the entire need overrated because Panarin and Laf can lead their own lines and move all over the ice, and needs in general can change swiftly.

 

[Edge]

That timeline might just include trying Chytil at the 2C next season or riding another season with Strome until something presents itself.

But again, I find the entire need overrated because Panarin and Laf can lead their own lines and move all over the ice, and needs in general can change swiftly.

I think it’s a question mark, and there is an internal desire there. But I don’t think it’s as frantic of a need as it is for some fans.

There are options they’d be interested in, but to your point, I also don’t think it’s something that they absolutely have to fix right now.

 

[Polar Bear]

I think it’s a question mark, and there is an internal desire there. But I don’t think it’s as frantic of a need as it is for some fans.

There are options they’d be interested in, but to your point, I also don’t think it’s something that they absolutely have to fix right now.

Do you think getting Laf diminished those concerns a bit from an immediate standpoint. since he is going to have the ability/talent to lead our 2nd line next season?

 

[Edge]

Do you think getting Laf diminished those concerns a bit from an immediate standpoint. since he is going to have the ability/talent to lead our 2nd line next season?

Not really, because I would guess they essentially view anything he brings to be gravy. I don’t know if they factor him in as leading any line at this point. Not as a rookie. If he does, fantastic. But if he doesn’t, there’s not an unexpected void they hadn’t counted on either.

 

[Polar Bear]

Not really, because I would guess they essentially view anything he brings to be gravy. I don’t know if they factor him in as leading any line at this point. Not as a rookie. If he does, fantastic. But if he doesn’t, there’s not an unexpected void they hadn’t counted on either.

Makes sense, at the very least getting Laf opens other avenues the team can explore and tinker with as JD said, right?

 

[eco's bones]

Great minds think alike I guess.

I have no delusions about getting a 1C this year. I also don’t think you ever should draft based on position in hockey; too few positions to do that. Even if the Canes are knocked out this round, it’s tough to imagine getting a sure thing with a non-lottery pick. I’d much rather trade it to a rebuilding team to patch a hole(s) on the main roster. Rangers need to solidify this season and make sure the core assets don’t regress. Summer 2021 is when things will get really interesting. thats when I think it’s more likely the Rangers find their center by taking a home run swing with some of their extra assets.

Which is why to me if Askarov somehow drops all the way to the Carolina pick we should absolutely should take him because he will be the best player on the board and I kind of think that the team who does take him will be happy about that pick 10-15 years from now.

I'm not overly concerned about picking a center--there are other ways to get a center than the draft but one thing we do need is a defensively reliable face-off man (Justin Richards?) even if he's a bottom 6 forward.

I also expect Chytil is going to get better--playmaking does seem to be something he's going to need to work on more though in the AHL he's been more of a playmaker than a goal scorer and kind of opposite last year in the NHL. I like Filip quite a lot---the size and the skating---he can cover a lot of ground and his defensive play improved quite a lot last year. He's poor on face-offs and needs to improve the offense. He's still a bit of a kid who doesn't understand how strong he is. That's one of the areas where I think he most resembles Mika at around the same age--by the time the Rangers picked up on Mika he was beginning to lean on players more. You don't always have to be hitting all the time to be a physical problem for the opposition.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

so ... we're at the point of drafting Askarov if he drops ... because of "value pick" and potential trade ammunition ...
just get me LAF and Perreault in the 1st rd and be done with it!

I've been saying it for years, WE STILL LACK A SNIPER (Zibs excluded)! Get Perreault's thicc ass up in here with the CAR pick!

Everywhere I look, Perreault goes around 20. We might not even have to move up, wishful thinking I fear.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

so ... we're at the point of drafting Askarov if he drops ... because of "value pick" and potential trade ammunition ...
just get me LAF and Perreault in the 1st rd and be done with it!

I've been saying it for years, WE STILL LACK A SNIPER (Zibs excluded)! Get Perreault's thicc ass up in here with the CAR pick!

Everywhere I look, Perreault goes around 20. We might not even have to move up, wishful thinking I fear.

Picks I would be happy with in the 20-24 range (depending on who is available of course):

Seth Jarvis
Noel Gunler
Rodion Amirov
Dawson Mercer
Mavrik Bourque
Jan Myšák
Marat Khustnutdinov
JJ Peterka
Jacob Perrault

In that order. The last few weeks I've been focusing a bit on the QMJHL and OHL prospects like Mercer, Myšák, Bourque and Perreault. There's a lot to like for different reasons and I think that list of players is really close. It comes down to personal preference.

 

[Synergy27]

That timeline might just include trying Chytil at the 2C next season or riding another season with Strome until something presents itself.

But again, I find the entire need overrated because Panarin and Laf can lead their own lines and move all over the ice, and needs in general can change swiftly.

I’m in this boat at this point. I don’t know if this is a formula that is going to yield a Cup winner, but it’s the reality we are going to face given the cards we’ve been dealt (which we can’t complain about).

We’re not going to be able to pay another “elite” center even if we find one. We’re going to have to hope we find a good middle six player that meshes well with the elite wingers he’ll be flanked with.

The scary thing to me is that while I think this can work, we’re always going to have a depth problem at the position and ultimate success is going to hinge largely on Zibanejad’s health.

 

[UnSandvich]

Picks I would be happy with in the 20-24 range (depending on who is available of course):

Seth Jarvis
Noel Gunler
Rodion Amirov
Dawson Mercer
Mavrik Bourque
Jan Myšák
Marat Khustnutdinov
JJ Peterka
Jacob Perrault

In that order. The last few weeks I've been focusing a bit on the QMJHL and OHL prospects like Mercer, Myšák, Bourque and Perreault. There's a lot to like for different reasons and I think that list of players is really close. It comes down to personal preference.

No Reichel? Or do you think he's gone by then?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No Reichel? Or do you think he's gone by then?

Reichel is in that same group, but not ahead of any of the guys on that list. Closer to Peterka and Perrault than Jarvis, Gunler and Amirov

 

[Ghost of jas]

Picks I would be happy with in the 20-24 range (depending on who is available of course):

Seth Jarvis
Noel Gunler
Rodion Amirov
Dawson Mercer
Mavrik Bourque
Jan Myšák
Marat Khustnutdinov
JJ Peterka
Jacob Perrault

In that order. The last few weeks I've been focusing a bit on the QMJHL and OHL prospects like Mercer, Myšák, Bourque and Perreault. There's a lot to like for different reasons and I think that list of players is really close. It comes down to personal preference.

Yeah, I don't think the Rangers can go wrong with anyone on that list, although my preferences are probably Mercer, Gunler, Khusnutdinov, Mysak and Perrault in that order.

 

[Fireonk]

So in relation to guys like Bourque and Perrault, for all the draft gurus out there. Are there any good examples of a prospect who ended up doing well when the main knock against them was work ethic? Not talking about character concerns, just when the main negative is the actual work ethic on the ice.

 

[Savant]

Maybe Laffy is tinting my view a bit, but is this a unusually strong year for the Q ?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers with their track record??

LD depth is a need for NYR in my opinion

Ryan Shea [ca.2014-2020] Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Boston kid too checks that box

any interest??

 

[CaptTennille]

So in relation to guys like Bourque and Perrault, for all the draft gurus out there. Are there any good examples of a prospect who ended up doing well when the main knock against them was work ethic? Not talking about character concerns, just when the main negative is the actual work ethic on the ice.

I specifically remember there was concern about Logan Couture's on-ice engagement and compete level. Jordan Eberle as well.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

any interest??

Sure, I'd rather aquire LD for free, run with what we got, instead of trading for a stopgap until K'Andre and/or Robertson jump in.

I'm patient with the rebuild.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Sure, I'd rather aquire LD for free, run with what we got, instead of trading for a stopgap until K'Andre and/or Robertson jump in.

I'm patient with the rebuild.

with the success of young free agents, I can see him being interest to NYR. boston connection and has some skill and going the fa route from college.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Has David Farrance signed?

Wonder what happens if the NCAA cancels or severely reduces the seasons.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Has David Farrance signed?

Wonder what happens if the NCAA cancels or severely reduces the seasons.

I forgot about him, he's the next big NCAA prize

He has not signed it looks like.

I'll be interested to see what he does if the season gets cancelled like you said. Does he really want to waste a year to pick his spot, or would he suck it up and just take the money from Nashville

 

[cwede]

Rangers with their track record??
LD depth is a need for NYR in my opinion
Ryan Shea [ca.2014-2020] Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
Boston kid too checks that box
any interest??

Chase him, and also Luke Martin, RHD near-term pipeline needs help too

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I forgot about him, he's the next big NCAA prize

He has not signed it looks like.

I'll be interested to see what he does if the season gets cancelled like you said. Does he really want to waste a year to pick his spot, or would he suck it up and just take the money from Nashville

Ah right that makes sense. UFA is based on 4 calendar years? So he will need to wait til 2021 regardless.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Ah right that makes sense. UFA is based on 4 calendar years? So he will need to wait til 2021 regardless.

Yeah his rights expire August 15th 2021

A lot of these kids were going back to school because the season was cut short and they wanted a shot to win the title. But now all bets are off.

If he's got teams in mind I wonder if Nashville would be willing to play ball. I have no idea if he wants to play for the Rangers, but he's from NY and a LHD.

Maybe Gorton gives Poile a call to see if they can work something out, similar to Fox.

 

[Edge]

So in relation to guys like Bourque and Perrault, for all the draft gurus out there. Are there any good examples of a prospect who ended up doing well when the main knock against them was work ethic? Not talking about character concerns, just when the main negative is the actual work ethic on the ice.

Very good question.

2005 - Jamie Benn had some concerns about his commitment to conditioning and working to make himself better. Ditto for Stastny.

2006 - Phil Kessel was, and probably remains a guy whose work ethic is questioned. Artem Anisimov was seen as a kid who had more to give.

2007 - Couture and Subban had some questions about their willingness to put the work in.

2008 - Drew Doughty wasn't known as a gym rate in the OHL. Eberle was seen as a guy who needed to give a more consistent effort.

2010 - Skinner was cited as being a guy who could be a little less than motivated sometimes (not unlike Mike Richards), Niederreiter had some concerns.

2011 - Saad wasn't known for his work ethic.

2012 - Galchenyuk falls into this category, regarldess of where he's at now and his draft position.

2013 - Domi's attention was known to wander. Buch was not known as the hardest worker, even then. Ditto for Duclair.

2015 - Brock Boeser had questions about his commitment to being a player who could do more than score goals. He was in a similar position to Perrault this year.