Outside of Trouba and maybe Kakko everyone struggled in the series. Also it’s possible not playing fir so long and the foot injury kept him from being in his usual game shape. I mean Game 3 he was easily the best forward
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I think that we all certainly hope so. But I have my doubts on that actually happening. Not for a few more years. But let's hope that the issue is forced as it would only be to the Rangers benefit.
I think that the contract is a bit more front loaded, isn't it? And the limited NTC/NMC is even better.
Not sure about moving from LW to RW. Game is played completely different from one side to the other. Right down to the way you skate. Maybe it can be done, but again, color me a bit skeptical.
First of all, at the time of the Kreider signing, NO ONE predicted getting the first overall pick. So vieiwng something with the benefit of hindsight seems odd. Second of all, a player of Kreider's worth is getting much more than that on the open market.
As of today, Panarin is centered by someone who seems to be able to handle it. Beyond that, we can see if Chytil becomes what most imagine he can. Beyond that, I have listed many times why I believe that Strome will not be nearly as expensive as some thing.
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The problem is that it isn't just that series when he hasn't shown up. If he's a/the team leader, there shouldn't have to be excuses made for him as to whether he shows up or not
. The whole “not showing up” thing fans say is getting tiring. He is inconsistent at times but that’s the way with most players. It’s not a lack of effort. The problem is fans have always wanted Kreider to be a monster every shift and anything less is a failure in their eyes which is really ridiculous
How do people feel about Ridly Greig with the 2nd 1st?
Staal is seen as the senior leader on this team, so he and the rest were just following his example.
But on the real, EVERYONE had trouble getting going in the series save for Kakko, Trouba and Gauthier before Quinn decided to play the f*** out of Howden.
Staal is seen as the senior leader on this team, so he and the rest were just following his example.
But on the real, EVERYONE had trouble getting going in the series save for Kakko, Trouba and Gauthier before Quinn decided to play the f*** out of Howden.
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And that's a huge problem, it's on most of the players, definitely on all of the 'leadership' of this team, but I'm only seeing excuses being made for Kreider because he's a fan favorite around here
And if you're going to bring Staal into this, the same management is seeing the same thing in Kreider
And that's a huge problem, it's on most of the players, definitely on all of the 'leadership' of this team, but I'm only seeing excuses being made for Kreider because he's a fan favorite around here
And if you're going to bring Staal into this, the same management is seeing the same thing in Kreider
I think the layoff hurt them more than they want to admit. It's not an excuse as other teams dealt with it just fine, but they collectively looked like shit, even our top guys who were great all year.
The Bruins have also looked like ass and thats a team who is actually good. They have a few games to get it figured out as we didn't have that luxury (thankfully, I'm happy with the 1OA.) I have very, very, very strong doubts that Kreider will EVER be as bad as Staal is now. That Staal contract was a disaster before the ink dried as he was clearly in decline that got more and more steep. I wanted to trade Kreider as well and I'm afraid that his contract is going to f*** us over hard, but I'm not going to call his leadership into question because he didn't perform well until the 3rd game of a 5 game series after 4 months off. This was really a pre season setting with higher stakes, shit happens.
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If Lias was what we thought he was (a good 2C, maybe just a bit more than Derek Stepan) then this team would be basically done building after yesterday.
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The Bruins can look like ass because those games don't really matter, sure they're for seeding, but that's not enough for a team with Cup aspirations to go out and kill themselves over. I don't worry about Kreider being Staal bad, I worry about him being Callahan/Ladd/every other ~6m winger with grit who's fallen apart around age 30 bad. And I'll call the leadership into question when it's being held up as a reason to dismiss the idea that the contract isn't going to be very good, because that's a stupid thing to spend 6.5m on in a cap world. I mean, shit, Drury and Callahan's leadership were killed on here because one said a regular season loss in December wouldn't ruin a holiday and the other took a season off to get paid
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One thing Kreider has going for him is his net front presence. He leads the leagues in deflections over a certain period I'm forgetting and Pavelski was able to do that well into his 30s. If we have Tony and Fox on the point, plus Mika and Panarin on the PP, he will find plenty of use.
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I still wouldn't. Laf will have the playmaking ability along with the all around game and scoring touch. I'd like NYR to find a high energy goal scorer. Mercer fits the bill. Khusnutdinov and Amirov fir the bill, too. Peterka wouldn't be bad either.
I do think they'll move this pick for center help, though.
Mercer definitely would be a great pick but would need to climb up to at least top 13-15 overall. Won't be easy.
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What number do people think Lafreniere will wear here?
Who do people think we take with our later pick, assuming we don't move it?
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Joey Bones
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Don't like Finley too early. Big and slowish, but could do more in the edge-work department and look significantly better. I don't see his offensive passing ability translating well, but if he does indeed work on his skating he could be a solid, bottom-6, two-way option. Not that strong of a shot, though. Think he'd be fine as an option in the late portions, say 5th-7th rounds.
Peterson I'm a fan of with their 3rd rounders. Big and fast can play very well defensively. He's got the tools to be a solid goal scorer, too, with a powerful shot. Just hasn't scored many goals for what he's capable of. He was considered to be a late 1st rounder early on in the class. I think his floor is a Brian Boyle type player. I think he's worth the gamble, but I wonder where he would play if the NCAA doesn't have a season.
Groshev is a hit or miss with consistency, especially skating and work ethic-wise. He is responsible defensively, though, when he's invested on the ice. Just the main thing with him is staying consistent. I think his power forward game might be worth the gamble, but maybe later on. I'd say with the 4th rounder or later.
Cuylle I have in the late 2nd round, so yes I would love if he fell to NYR in the 3rd round. Big size, speed and defensive responsibility. Has more consistency to his game on a power forward's game than Groshev. Was another player who started the year as a late 1st rounder. I do see him with a ceiling of a middle-6 power winger, though.
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Holtz to the Preds at 11 is a steal
And would Detroit go RD in back to back drafts? Dunno about that one Craig
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I absolutely love Eamon Powell and hope he's there for NYR in the 3rd round. Fox clone, honestly!!
Others are there to swing on like Peterson, Pytlik, Pashin, Stranges, Rolston, Heineman, etc. There will also be some fallers to catch, too.
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Laf is a pure winger. He's also going to need to adjust his game for the NHL. He's not gifted anything other than what he has already accomplished. Kreider has accomplished a lot more in the NHL.
Let the kid earn his minutes and then assess where the wing depth will be placed. With that said, you're not trading Kreider, right now.
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A big reach that could benefit, but I would much rather reach on a guy like Khusnutdinov or even someone like Nybeck.
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Did a mock today and had Greig going 27 to Washington. I had the Rangers taking Peterka at 24--so I would say Greig would be a guy I would have in the conversation for that pick.
I actually think Howden played harder than some other Rangers against Carolina. I know a lot of people don't like Howden but I think it should be kept in mind that with most other NHL teams Howden wouldn't have been able to make the jump directly from the CHL to the NHL. He would have gone to minors to develop more and maybe he would have played some NHL games over the last couple years but certainly not two full seasons and part of why is because the Rangers were so depleted for real forward depth. He's had two years now and hopefully he'll start to show more for those two years and the experience will lead to some improvement. He's still really really young. I wouldn't carp at him like he's some established vet not giving his all. One thing he's needing to do is get stronger for his size and that should come as he hits 23, 24 and 25.
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