You're right but how much better is Georgiev's play compared to Hank or a backup we could pick up as FA and if there is any trade off is it worth not picking up the assets right now? I'm also not sure this is a team that's ready to make any real noise in the playoffs at the moment or if keeping Georgiev impacts that much
2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II
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Henrik's numbers were worse--10-12-3 record with a .905 SV% and a 3.16 GAA.
Alex was 17-14-2 with a .910 SV% and a 3.04 GAA
Alex is a gamer---he's also much cheaper and younger and he also can sit 3 or 4 games--come in and win. Henrik is used to being the starter and mostly when he sat for a bunch of games he didn't respond all that well. He's not used to that.
The Ranger are absolutely going for a playoff spot when the next season comes around. If Shesterkin is the goalie we think he's going to be with Panarin and Zibanejad leading the forwards and Fox and DeAngelo providing offense from the D that's a really potent attack backed up by a goalie who can stand on his head. However much Kakko improves--how much Chytil improves--the defense has to stabilize a bit more and there are some depth issues at forward but none of that is really anything major at this point.
If the backup does play 30 or so games he's an important player. If Shesterkin plays 52 games and gets 70 standings points the back up has got to get us at the very least 25 and to be safe more in the 30 games he plays. Shesterkin playing in the low 50's is still most games in any year he's played but he should be alright and rested for the playoffs.
.....and making the playoffs surely beats having another 2nd round pick. If we're going to trade Alex for a pick we should get something better than that. We don't need to be doing San Jose or Detroit any favors. They're the ones who are needy and we're not a charity.
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I think if Buch gets moved, you’re looking at them going for another youngish NHL player who fills another role, and/or maybe as part of a multi-player deal where the Rangers seek to round out their depth.
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Was doing some late night prospect watching and just want to throw out a few names....
- Justin Sourdif is a great 3rd round possibility. Plays very similar in style to Cam Atkinson and has an incredible shot. Pretty strong, too, for a smaller guy.
- Would, also, eye Vasili Ponomarev with their second 1st round pick. Kid has wheels and strength to bully defenders along the boards. Speed and possession is his game.
- Ozzy Wiesblatt has incredible playmaking ability with strength and antagonizing antics. Could develop into a poor mans Travis Konecny. Wouldn't mind the reach on him with their second 1st.
- Emil Heineman is all you could want out of a scoring threat for your bottom-6 in the NHL. Grind style is there along with net front presence. Another one to look at in the 3rd round.
- Anton Kosolapov has intriguing skill. Hands, passing ability and drive for the net are on point. Would hope for a bigger role in the KHL next season. Not a lot are talking about him. Could be a steal late in the draft.
- Rodion Amirov is similar to Ponomarev, IMO. Speed and possession is his game. The only difference is that Amirov is more of a sniper whereas Ponomarev is more a playmaker. Amirov is bigger, too, and has more pro experience. Would definitely look for him with NYR's second 1st.
- Justin Sourdif is a great 3rd round possibility. Plays very similar in style to Cam Atkinson and has an incredible shot. Pretty strong, too, for a smaller guy.
- Would, also, eye Vasili Ponomarev with their second 1st round pick. Kid has wheels and strength to bully defenders along the boards. Speed and possession is his game.
- Ozzy Wiesblatt has incredible playmaking ability with strength and antagonizing antics. Could develop into a poor mans Travis Konecny. Wouldn't mind the reach on him with their second 1st.
- Emil Heineman is all you could want out of a scoring threat for your bottom-6 in the NHL. Grind style is there along with net front presence. Another one to look at in the 3rd round.
- Anton Kosolapov has intriguing skill. Hands, passing ability and drive for the net are on point. Would hope for a bigger role in the KHL next season. Not a lot are talking about him. Could be a steal late in the draft.
- Rodion Amirov is similar to Ponomarev, IMO. Speed and possession is his game. The only difference is that Amirov is more of a sniper whereas Ponomarev is more a playmaker. Amirov is bigger, too, and has more pro experience. Would definitely look for him with NYR's second 1st.
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Yeah, Rodion Amirov could be a sleeper, guys like him is a bit hard to evaluate. In a sense -- please note, not in terms of style of play -- he is comparable to Isac Lundeström since both definitely have their strengths just up until the last 5th of the ice so to speak.
Amirov is a good player overall already. Close to KHL level, many players at his range in the 1st aren't there yet, and especially far from all offensive dynamos.
So take Isac Lunderström and put him in a blender with Denisenko, and out pops Amirov.
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To me that's an option too. Georgiev is a young and legit NHL goaltender who at the least becomes a quality backup but in a number of situations with different organizations becomes an NHL starter and trading him for a 2nd rounder is gambling a legit NHL player for a maybe. A lot of 2nd rounders fail. A younger roster player or player on the cusp IMO would be a better way to go.
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I'm fine with them using Georgiev for getting a player on the cusp as opposed to a second rounder or a package of second and later picks, or even a late first, possibly.
But the difference between the caliber of player they can get at 7 ot 9 versus 13 might be worth the additional asset they'd get if it was just picks being swapped for Georgiev. They want closer to NHL ready, they don't want a guy who is 3-4 years away? That should be screaming to them to parlay 13 and 23 and maybe Georgiev for a top 10 player in this draft then. Will be way closer to a Kakko time line .... maybe a year or two.
But the difference between the caliber of player they can get at 7 ot 9 versus 13 might be worth the additional asset they'd get if it was just picks being swapped for Georgiev. They want closer to NHL ready, they don't want a guy who is 3-4 years away? That should be screaming to them to parlay 13 and 23 and maybe Georgiev for a top 10 player in this draft then. Will be way closer to a Kakko time line .... maybe a year or two.
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Outside the top 10, Amirov would be my go-to guy for a center (assuming Lundell is gone by the time we are on the clock). Niederbach is a good option with our late 1st
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I'm assuming all of Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Drysdale and Rossi will all be gone at the latest by 7. Those to me would be the biggest gets. So the idea of the 13 and Georgiev maybe gets us into Holtz, Raymond, Lundell, Sanderson, Perfetti territory and if Askarov gets picked before all that then maybe there will be an extra one of those available to choose from. Raymond has a connection to Henriksson but picking Lundell might be a good deal for Kakko. So if Georgiev could help us get there then I'd be okay with that. That to me would be a proactive way of getting value for him. I've read on here that the Rangers like Holloway. That's more like if we stay at 13 for me--but I don't know what it is for the Rangers. The Rangers always have their own ideas. He seems to me more like a Ryan Kesler type--more a very very good gritty top 6 type player than a future 1st liner. I like that kind of player though.
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Outside the top 10, Seth Jarvis is exactly what you're looking for!! HM for Mercer and Raymond.
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If I'm moving Georgiev and assumably No. 13 for No. 7, there better be a real opportunity to snag Holtz or Rossi. Not trading up that high with that package for Raymond, Lundell, Perfetti. This is no knock on them, I just think that their potential, ATM, is lesser to that of Holtz and Rossi. I think it's pointless to trade up that high for Sanderson, but the potential is there. I wouldn't mind the reach, but I think it's unnecessary to give up on Georgiev for another defenseman (albeit one with top pairing defensive potential).
Would be incredibly happy with Holloway at the No. 13 area. I really think he has Tom Wilson capabilities!!
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It's posts like this that help me put things in better perspective so I thank you for that. Oftentimes it's hard to draw the line between those with really high potential and those who aren't quite there--or quite there yet. I like the idea of Holloway by the way because I don't like the Rangers being an easy team to play against. I'd rather opposing teams go into games against us thinking 'Oh. f***! not these guys again'. It's kind of like the Tkachuk thing--either one of those two by the way I'd take over Wilson easily but even so Wilson is still a very impactful player.
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I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan of players like Wilson and the Tkachuk's. They spend a lot of time on the in the box and the agitation game takes control more often than not. Sometimes there needs to be that in between when these kind of players agitate and make sure to not get penalized; helping their team with odd-man advantages with their opponent. It took how many suspensions for Tom Wilson to get it together, right?
Enter Holloway, who has the speed and snarl for the game. He definitely got under the other team's skin and is very good at causing a stir in front during offensive possession. The thing I like more about him, though, other than Wilson or Brady T. is that he can take games to his stick. He's got that cutaway speed to beat defenders one-on-one and could drive the net like a prototypical power forward slated for today's NHL. Think he has a high upside with develop and, even if he doesn't truly pan out, I think it's safe to say he'll be an incredible asset to an NHL bottom-6 team.... creating an agitating pathway for opponents while creating offense and, thus, provided depth for the lineup.
He's a great option in the early teens!!
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Unfortunate news out of the NCAA today....
U. of Alabama-Hunstville dropped their D1 Men's hockey program due to budget cuts. The only NCAA D1 hockey in the south. 35 years in the NCAA and it ends with a thud....
Unfortunate news out of the NCAA today....
U. of Alabama-Hunstville dropped their D1 Men's hockey program due to budget cuts. The only NCAA D1 hockey in the south. 35 years in the NCAA and it ends with a thud....
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I wouldnt put the Tkachuks in the same boat as Wilson. Wilson is a dirty player who professionally linerides on a good team. The Tkachuks are pests with world class skill. They control the game in both agitation and offensive threat. If they cant beat you in your head theyll just bully you in your own zone. The Tkachuks are phenomenal players imo.
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Agreed.
Matthew Tkachuk has performed at a 30 goal 70+ pace for the last two season, and very well could hit the 40/80+ plateau in the near future. He also has two more points than penalty minutes over the last two seasons, despite his style of player.
Brady Tkachuk has already hit the 20 goal/40 point plateau twice.
They stand out because of his finesse oriented the sport has become, but they are excellent players.
Brady Tkachuk is a beast. Imagine him on the Rangers if somehow he had dropped to 9 (I know there was pretty much no chance in that happening)?! Is it true the Rangers really had VK second among forwards behind Svechnikov? That is not looking good if that is true. He is going to be a 35 goal scorer easy and a beast in the playoffs if Ottawa ever gets there in the near future.
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What will be interesting and IMO a very tough decision will be where to put teams like Montreal/Chicago if they win the play in round? Are they then considered a playoff team and can pick no better than 16th overall or do they still have a chance to pick top 10 unless they make to conference finals? There are gonna be a lot of pissed off fans in montreal they wind up picking 16th just because they won a 5 game series against the Pens.
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The Tkachuk's are shit stirrers extraordinaire with legit first line skills. They are bigger and much better versions of Sean Avery who wasn't a bad hockey player but nowhere near as skilled. I know a lot of people didn't like Brady and I remember hearing he only scored 8 goals--freshman year at Boston U. but he is a seriously good player. Some people are born to be hockey players and you can tell when they're always in the middle of everything. Both of the Tkachuk's are like that. You really can't go wrong drafting players like that.
If Holloway can bring the same kind of in the middle of everything game and he's around when it's our turn that would be a good pick IMO.
If Holloway can bring the same kind of in the middle of everything game and he's around when it's our turn that would be a good pick IMO.
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