2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

[bl02]

I don't think they would trade their first for Georgiev if they had it.

San Jose does have a first rounder in the trade they made with Tampa

 

[bl02]

I would trade AG in a split second for that 26th overall pick. (as it stands now 26th overall).

 

[bl02]

Lundqvist is still under contract though so we don't need Huska or Wall to be ready now. They have at least a year and it's possible more. It's also possible even if Lundqvist isn't brought back, you can get kinda any old journeyman backup goalie to ride the pine behind Shesty.

As for the Sharks, they don't have a first, so they are boned. Can't get Georgiev for just a second.

Sharks have two very decent picks at #26 and #34

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

I would trade AG in a split second for that 26th overall pick. (as it stands now 26th overall).

Same. Especially in a draft like this one. Rangers really don't need Georgiev.

 

[Thirty One]

It sounded like San Jose was very motivated to get back into the first round this year. Not sure that would interest them too much.

 

[eco's bones]

Lundqvist is still under contract though so we don't need Huska or Wall to be ready now. They have at least a year and it's possible more. It's also possible even if Lundqvist isn't brought back, you can get kinda any old journeyman backup goalie to ride the pine behind Shesty.

As for the Sharks, they don't have a first, so they are boned. Can't get Georgiev for just a second.

Well pretty much we're in agreement on this. I do think there is some chance that Henrik retires though---I mean he's looking at being a backup and even with the play-ins or playoffs coming up--he's not going to be the guy in the net which IMO is the next blow coming his way. Since his rookie season he's always been the goalie who's taken us into the playoffs and I could only remember one playoff game he hasn't started and that was his rookie year. He only has $5.5 mil I think coming his way in the last year of his contract. Will it be worth it to him? So I have that question. All that said I don't think Huska is ready or that we're going to find an equivalent as good as Georgiev as a backup. Wall I have some hopes for but he's just making the leap to the pros.

If I'm moving Georgiev I want a 1st or I want something along your scenario of moving up that 13 to like the 7/8 spot or if someone falls to the 9 or 10. The difference say between a very good 2nd liner and a maybe a 1st liner. I can see doing something like that. I have to say though also I'm intrigued by two D--Drysdale and Sanderson even if defense is pretty stocked. If Drysdale were to fall to 8 and we could move up that would be worthwhile too. There's the potential for a Makar--Quinn Hughes like player there.

 

[bobbop]

Maybe I am being a pessimist on AG's worth but I think you would have to add the 23rd overall plus the 13th to lets say Buffalo's spot plus I would say most teams in that top 7 wouldn't even have a need for AG. If they did they would just draft Askarov (Chicago/NJ). Honestly at this point if San Jose offered their 2nd rounder which would be a very very high second rounder JG would seriously have to consider that.

The three teams that In the greatest need of a goaltending upgrade are Detroit (picking #32), Ottawa (picking #33) and San Jose (picking #34) I agree with @Edge about not trading for futures but goaltending is a little different animal. There’s also salary cap considerations (Any incoming player would probably have to be on an ELC) to consider for next year. Take value where you can get it. I’d take one of those high seconds plus another pick for AG.

 

[bobbop]

He only has $5.5 mil I think coming his way in the last year of his contract.

The words only and $5.5 Million do not belong in the same sentence.

 

[Thirty One]

The three teams that In the greatest need of a goaltending upgrade are Detroit (picking #32), Ottawa (picking #33) and San Jose (picking #34) I agree with @Edge about not trading for futures but goaltending is a little different animal. There’s also salary cap considerations (Any incoming player would probably have to be on an ELC) to consider for next year. Take value where you can get it. I’d take one of those high seconds plus another pick for AG.

You don't have to make the pick either. They could flip it like the Winnipeg pick.

 

[NYR Viper]

The three teams that In the greatest need of a goaltending upgrade are Detroit (picking #32), Ottawa (picking #33) and San Jose (picking #34) I agree with @Edge about not trading for futures but goaltending is a little different animal. There’s also salary cap considerations (Any incoming player would probably have to be on an ELC) to consider for next year. Take value where you can get it. I’d take one of those high seconds plus another pick for AG.

You don't have to make the pick either. They could flip it like the Winnipeg pick.

This is what makes the most sense to me. I doubt a team will be willing to move their 1st for Georgiev. A 2nd this year + 3rd next year? I'd probably take that. It gives the team the ability to move up slightly with that CAR 1st as well or they make a selection with a high 2nd rounder.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The three teams that In the greatest need of a goaltending upgrade are Detroit (picking #32), Ottawa (picking #33) and San Jose (picking #34) I agree with @Edge about not trading for futures but goaltending is a little different animal. There’s also salary cap considerations (Any incoming player would probably have to be on an ELC) to consider for next year. Take value where you can get it. I’d take one of those high seconds plus another pick for AG.

That early 2nd rounder can be used to trade up with either of your 1st round picks. It's ammunition.

 

[eco's bones]

The words only and $5.5 Million do not belong in the same sentence.

He's also made close to $100 mil over the course of his Rangers career. Does he want to sit and watch Igor get the bulk of the games and playoffs and all the attention that goes with that for a whole year? It will certainly pay well but it's also going to chip away at his pride probably. You've been on top so long that now that you're second banana you do have to get your mind in the right place.

Mind you I don't know what he's going to do but before this virus had come up he was talking about talking to Davidson? Gorton? over the summer about 'things?' What could those 'things' be other than his place on the team? Georgiev had already kind of supplanted him--Shesterkin had made that supplantation official. Henrik is really the third best goalie on the team.

 

[Leetch3]

The words only and $5.5 Million do not belong in the same sentence.

there is a big difference when it comes to viewing that amount of $$ if you are like me and have 0 million vs hank who has already earned over $100 mil in his career just on salary. I mean its still $5 mil but he has enough $$ that it won't break him so that isn't necessarily the top priority for him....not to say he'd walk away from it, just that its completely different from his point of view

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I just want a bluechip Centre prospect

 

[Joey Bones]

Not really. Assuming the 24 team format that they are working out eventually is adopted, I think it would be pretty safe to say that the teams not in it would be draft lottery slots 1-7. Now I personally believe that the eight teams eliminated in the play-in that don't participate in the 16-team playoffs, will be slots 8-15, and the playoff teams will be 16-31 with the final four 28-31. They could consider all 24 the playoff teams, and just have them slotted in according to their Pts%. No one has really mentioned how that might work.

It really sounds like the draft will be after the season now. So where does that put it? September? October? They don't have to worry about a team winning the lottery and going on to win the Cup anymore, so I think they'll scrap the only move up 4 slots thing. How many teams participate in the lottery? 7 or 15? I'd guess 15, but tough to say.

So in summary, it looks like the Rangers will pick somewhere between 8 and 31. Hope that helps.

^ I second that this will be the case, too.

 

[Joey Bones]

Maybe I am being a pessimist on AG's worth but I think you would have to add the 23rd overall plus the 13th to lets say Buffalo's spot plus I would say most teams in that top 7 wouldn't even have a need for AG. If they did they would just draft Askarov (Chicago/NJ). Honestly at this point if San Jose offered their 2nd rounder which would be a very very high second rounder JG would seriously have to consider that.

I think all signs are pointing to Chicago taking Askarov. They haven't signed their two goalie prospects (Alexis Gravel and Wouter Peeters) and they have 10 days to do so. After that their pool is looking slim....

Crawford (35 yo. UFA, 35+)
Subban (26 yo. RFA)

Delia (25 yo. 2 years left > UFA)
Lankinen (25 yo. 2 years left > UFA)
Thomkins (25 yo. 1 year left > UFA)

Ivan Nalimov (25 yo. Indefinite status, but who knows if he's coming over)
Dominic Basse (19 yo. UFA Aug. 15, 2025)
Alexis Gravel (20 yo. UFA if not signed by June 1, 2020)
Wouter Peeters (21 yo. UFA if not signed by June 1. 2020)

Right now they have Delia, Lankinen and Thomkins under contract next year. They have no real capable starter outside of Crawford; who could either retire or try again on a smaller deal while also risking injury for the what seems like the 3rd straight season. Nalimov has played well overseas, but it's a small sample size. Plus is there any indication he swings over to the NHL? Delia and Lankinen are okay, but not long term options. Subban, either. They need a real No. 1, all-star potential keeper and Askarov fits the bill to a T.

If not they absolutely could take on Georgiev, but I wouldn't think his value is high.

 

[Joey Bones]

I think all signs are pointing to Chicago taking Askarov. They haven't signed their two goalie prospects (Alexis Gravel and Wouter Peeters) and they have 10 days to do so. After that their pool is looking slim....

Crawford (35 yo. UFA, 35+)
Subban (26 yo. RFA)

Delia (25 yo. 2 years left > UFA)
Lankinen (25 yo. 2 years left > UFA)
Thomkins (25 yo. 1 year left > UFA)

Ivan Nalimov (25 yo. Indefinite status, but who knows if he's coming over)
Dominic Basse (19 yo. UFA Aug. 15, 2025)
Alexis Gravel (20 yo. UFA if not signed by June 1, 2020)
Wouter Peeters (21 yo. UFA if not signed by June 1. 2020)

Right now they have Delia, Lankinen and Thomkins under contract next year. They have no real capable starter outside of Crawford; who could either retire or try again on a smaller deal while also risking injury for the what seems like the 3rd straight season. Nalimov has played well overseas, but it's a small sample size. Plus is there any indication he swings over to the NHL? Delia and Lankinen are okay, but not long term options. Subban, either. They need a real No. 1, all-star potential keeper and Askarov fits the bill to a T.

If not they absolutely could take on Georgiev, but I wouldn't think his value is high.

^ And as I wrote this....



All the more reason they should be all over Askarov....

 

[JW]

Analysis of the performance of the draft evaluators, scouts, and hockey columnists in judging draftable talent. Pretty long (but good) read.
Can the Edmonton Oilers master the cruel and capricious NHL draft in 2020? Count me in as uncertain | Edmonton Journal

 

[bobbop]

I think I laid out this case here about two years ago

Why NHL teams should gamble on defencemen over forwards...

 

[True Blue]

What I don’t think you’ll see much chatter about is moving NHL talent for picks and prospects at this point. In other words, I don’t see them being hot to move Buch for another first, or trading ADA for guys who are strictly prospects.

I think that the time has come and gone for that. I cannot see Gorton making moves by trading existing players for purely futures.

 

[True Blue]

I feel like that's short sighted, I don't really think Buch has a long term place on the team, especially if they were to add another top 8-ish talent at forward in this draft, but I'll hope for the best that they can be aggressive with the picks they do have (and maybe prospects as well from the D-side) to move up and get a falling center like Rossi or Lundell.

He might not have a long term future on the team (something I actually agree with) but what he will be traded for will not be simply prospects. It will be done to augment the current line up.

 

[Thirty One]

On Insider Trading, Bob McKenzie gave some clarity about what we know regarding who would be in the draft lottery. We don't know anything.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

On Insider Trading, Bob McKenzie gave some clarity about what we know regarding who would be in the draft lottery. We don't know anything.

So, still the same situation as 2 months ago.

 

[B17 Apricots]

If you can get a 2nd for Georgiev I take it and run. What's the end game? It's Shestyorkins net, Georgiev is probably not staying as a backup when he's a FA. Backups don't play enough to let them walk if they can get you some value, and even if he plays outstanding if you hold him how much more value is he gonna bring back? Goalies aren't going for much. I'd say even if Hank retires or gets bought out this season I still move Georgiev and sign a FA.

Every year you get that Debrincat or Kaliyev slip into the second. Georgiev is expendable, so if you can get that pick to take a swing on a Nybeck I make that move no problem. You gotta keep that pipeline of youth flowing, this draft class is 4 years away, by then this core is +30 years old and our young guys now are mid 20 year olds. That's when you need the fresh ELCs coming in

 

[eco's bones]

If you can get a 2nd for Georgiev I take it and run. What's the end game? It's Shestyorkins net, Georgiev is probably not staying as a backup when he's a FA. Backups don't play enough to let them walk if they can get you some value, and even if he plays outstanding if you hold him how much more value is he gonna bring back? Goalies aren't going for much. I'd say even if Hank retires or gets bought out this season I still move Georgiev and sign a FA.

Every year you get that Debrincat or Kaliyev slip into the second. Georgiev is expendable, so if you can get that pick to take a swing on a Nybeck I make that move no problem. You gotta keep that pipeline of youth flowing, this draft class is 4 years away, by then this core is +30 years old and our young guys now are mid 20 year olds. That's when you need the fresh ELCs coming in

What's the highest number of games Igor has played in a single season until now?

We're going back 6-7 years now but his highest number of games in one year over that span is 48.

So you think Igor's going to play 65-70 NHL regular season games and then the playoffs however many games that is--is a good plan? Shesterkin is the Rangers best goalie without a doubt but it ain't quite his net yet. And I don't think the Rangers coaching staff want him burning out in the regular season some time in late February/early March. The Rangers whether they move Alex or not will need a reliable backup. The Rangers plan IMO will be Igor will be the starter but probably somewhere between 50-55 games. The backup will get somewhere around 30 and if we're going to make noise in the playoffs you want the guy you're planning to go all the way with not to be sucking on fumes.