2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Where is all this seventh pick stuff coming from? I seriously doubt the NHL is going with the top-6 division thing. Imagine explaining why Anaheim and Buffalo are playoff teams and the NYR aren't. I don't think the NHL is looking forward to having that conversation.

Last year Montreal missed out on the play offs despite having more points than othre teams. That's what happens when you have a system based on divisions and conferences, instead of a 1-16 point based seeding

 

[Anthony5967]

Last year Montreal missed out on the play offs despite having more points than othre teams. That's what happens when you have a system based on divisions and conferences, instead of a 1-16 point based seeding

From everything we have heard, though, is that the NHL is planning to go with 24 teams. NYR included, no?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

From everything we have heard, though, is that the NHL is planning to go with 24 teams. NYR included, no?

Yeah, nothing is official. I'm not going to take anything for granted until an official announcement is made. Nobody knows. Even guys like LeBrun are spinning it seven different ways. Nobody has a f***ing clue

 

[Leetch3]

From everything we have heard, though, is that the NHL is planning to go with 24 teams. NYR included, no?

from everything we have heard no one has any idea what is going to happen and the rumored 'plan' keeps changing

 

[Thirty One]

Last year Montreal missed out on the play offs despite having more points than othre teams. That's what happens when you have a system based on divisions and conferences, instead of a 1-16 point based seeding

Montreal knew the exact rules they were playing under before the season started, though. If they have to come up with new rules on the fly, they are going to be scrutinized so much more, which is why I think there's basically zero chance they come up with a system that excludes the Rangers and includes the likes of the Sabres and Ducks, despite how motivated some of us are for it.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

from everything we have heard no one has any idea what is going to happen and the rumored 'plan' keeps changing

They have plenty of ideas, it’s just that every day lost means a new game of 52 pickup.

 

[egelband]

Actually, to @Steve Kournianos point, I wonder if there’s a possibility, with the owners/governors negotiating, that they look at two playoff options, one where the Rangers get in, and one where the Sabres get in, and say “you guys need the playoff revenue, we’re cool with the lottery pick”.
Am I cray? Is the “playoff revenue” even a thing? I honestly don’t know. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Thirty One]

Actually, to @Steve Kournianos point, I wonder if there’s a possibility, with the owners/governors negotiating, that they look at two playoff options, one where the Rangers get in, and one where the Sabres get in, and say “you guys need the playoff revenue, we’re cool with the lottery pick”.
Am I cray? Is the “playoff revenue” even a thing? I honestly don’t know. Just throwing it out there.

Yes, you are cray.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

Actually, to @Steve Kournianos point, I wonder if there’s a possibility, with the owners/governors negotiating, that they look at two playoff options, one where the Rangers get in, and one where the Sabres get in, and say “you guys need the playoff revenue, we’re cool with the lottery pick”.
Am I cray? Is the “playoff revenue” even a thing? I honestly don’t know. Just throwing it out there.

No ticket sales, MSG network owns 1st round, I mean the division 1/2 round(and prior rounds) broadcasts so the big consideration is how much MSG network paying the Rangers as an arm’s length transaction.

 

[egelband]

Yes, you are cray.

I didn’t even mean to write “cray”. Auto-correct is the cray one.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I didn’t even mean to write “cray”. Auto-correct is the cray one.

Cray cray hedgehog man

 

[eco's bones]

It can go one of three ways and be fair:

1) they cancel the year and the Rangers wind up picking 13 dependent on the lottery.

2) the Sabres get that last playoff spot and the Rangers are in the top 7 at the draft.

3) the Rangers get the last playoff spot and the Sabres go to the lottery and the Rangers pick 13.

I prefer option 3. but I could live with 1. or 2. as well. What will really piss me off is if the season continues and the Rangers get neither a playoff spot or a top 7 draft pick. IMO that won't be fair. I really don't think the NHL is going to call the season too so it probably comes down to either 2. or 3. I would like the Rangers to be rewarded for the progress they made. I will also point out they had a legit chance at a playoff spot when the season was suspended. The Sabres did not. The Rangers also played in a much tougher division. They did well this season. The Sabres spun their wheels and were mediocre at best. All that said I'm not altogether pleased but still okay if the NHL decides to give us a top 7 pick. I would look forward to the Sabres getting crushed then.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I will rank my preferred outcomes:

1. 7th overall pick, no play offs
2. 13th overall pick, cancelled season
3. 13th overall pick, play offs (no lottery)

 

[Thirty One]

It can go one of three ways and be fair:

1) they cancel the year and the Rangers wind up picking 13 dependent on the lottery.

2) the Sabres get that last playoff spot and the Rangers are in the top 7 at the draft.

3) the Rangers get the last playoff spot and the Sabres go to the lottery and the Rangers pick 13.

I prefer option 3. but I could live with 1. or 2. as well. What will really piss me off is if the season continues and the Rangers get neither a playoff spot or a top 7 draft pick. IMO that won't be fair. I really don't think the NHL is going to call the season too so it probably comes down to either 2. or 3. I would like the Rangers to be rewarded for the progress they made. I will also point out they had a legit chance at a playoff spot when the season was suspended. The Sabres did not. The Rangers also played in a much tougher division. They did well this season. The Sabres spun their wheels and were mediocre at best. All that said I'm not altogether pleased but still okay if the NHL decides to give us a top 7 pick. I would look forward to the Sabres getting crushed then.

It doesn't sound like they will do the draft before the season, so in option 3, the draft order would probably go:
- teams eliminated before play-in: 1-7
- teams eliminated in play-in: 8-15
- sixteen in playoffs: 16-31

So it would be really up in the air where the Rangers are picking.

 

[bl02]

I know we were playing really well down the stretch but we had a really tough schedule the last 10 games or so. Don't know every opponent off the top of my head but no doubt it was one of the tougher schedules compared to some of the other teams surrounding us in the standings. Realistically we probably just miss out and pick between 12-15.
Having said that if we qualify for the playoffs in the 24 team format what would be worst case scenario? we get booted early and pick around 13 anyway? or even win a "round" and still pick around the 13th spot?

most beneficial would obviously to get the 7th draft pick overall but be given the 13th overall and no playoffs would be the worst outcome.

 

[bl02]

I will rank my preferred outcomes:

1. 7th overall pick, no play offs
2. 13th overall pick, cancelled season
3. 13th overall pick, play offs (no lottery)

Lost you at #3...Am I missing something? Is it for the 6 percent chance of getting a top 3 pick? Plus aren't they gonna have it even if you win the lottery you can only move up 4 spots? Or will they revert to the normal way they do it?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lost you at #3...Am I missing something? Is it for the 6 percent chance of getting a top 3 pick? Plus aren't they gonna have it even if you win the lottery you can only move up 4 spots? Or will they revert to the normal way they do it?

One of the many, many.... many scenarios that was mentioned was a old-fashioned lottery with teams moving up max 4 spots. But who knows. 5 million scenarios

 

[mas0764]

I will rank my preferred outcomes:

1. 7th overall pick, no play offs
2. 13th overall pick, cancelled season
3. 13th overall pick, play offs (no lottery)

I just can’t get behind anything else.

One more elite talent will set this team up for a loooooong time.

Way more chance of hitting a home run in this draft class at 7th overall than this team, hot as they were, overcoming Boston, Washington, Tampa, etc, in long series’.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I just can’t get behind anything else.

One more elite talent will set this team up for a loooooong time.

Way more chance of hitting a home run in this draft class at 7th overall than this team, hot as they were, overcoming Boston, Washington, Tampa, etc, in long series’.

I would rather be competitive for a decade, than to throw it away for a shot at a cinderella story. And if this was any other draft, I would gladly pick play offs over a high pick but in this draft, if we can get a top 10 pick by missing a 24-team play off scenario, I do that every day and twice on Sunday.

"lose today" to have a chance at winning tomorrow, the day after tomorrow and beyond

 

[eco's bones]

I will rank my preferred outcomes:

1. 7th overall pick, no play offs
2. 13th overall pick, cancelled season
3. 13th overall pick, play offs (no lottery)

To me there is something good that can come from every one of the options. One of the other things if the Sabres get the playoff spot---the Rangers should have a real chip on their shoulder to motivate them when the next season comes around. So that and the 7th pick which could be the 1st would not be bad.

The cancelled season to me though is the safest and sanest thing to do. Things have been getting better but all it would take is a flareup in one of the arenas and the whole thing could implode.

 

[eco's bones]

I just can’t get behind anything else.

One more elite talent will set this team up for a loooooong time.

Way more chance of hitting a home run in this draft class at 7th overall than this team, hot as they were, overcoming Boston, Washington, Tampa, etc, in long series’.

One thing to keep in mind though--last year was a no brainer with Kakko but the Rangers have some history of going off script when they have 1st rounders. That's not necessarily a bad thing but if they took someone like Holloway (who IMO looks like a good pick at 13 but not at 7) a lot of posters will lose their shit.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers get into the playoffs they could lose in that play-in and get a better pick than 13 right? It would depend on who loses

 

[Thirty One]

If the Rangers get into the playoffs they could lose in that play-in and get a better pick than 13 right? It would depend on who loses

Yes of course.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

It doesn't sound like they will do the draft before the season, so in option 3, the draft order would probably go:
- teams eliminated before play-in: 1-7
- teams eliminated in play-in: 8-15
- sixteen in playoffs: 16-31

So it would be really up in the air where the Rangers are picking.

Scouts haven’t seen live hockey in 2 months at this point. Normally going into the draft they only have 3 weeks from Memorial Cup until the draft, the start of which is normally 10 days away.

If your GM thinks the scouting staff isn’t ready to get this over with, fire your GM and his scouting staff.

A 24 team playoff gets the lottery out of the way, all you’d have to do in a mid playoff draft is just:
a: have a position redraft after each playoff round. Do the points % initially, then depending on who gets knocked out, a team that slides up has the option to claim the player taken at what otherwise would have been their spot.
b: no signings of draftees until start of 20-21 camp
c: allow teams eligible to redraft to send scouts to development camps.

 

[Thirty One]

Scouts haven’t seen live hockey in 2 months at this point. Normally going into the draft they only have 3 weeks from Memorial Cup until the draft, the start of which is normally 10 days away.

If your GM thinks the scouting staff isn’t ready to get this over with, fire your GM and his scouting staff.

A 24 team playoff gets the lottery out of the way, all you’d have to do in a mid playoff draft is just:
a: have a position redraft after each playoff round. Do the points % initially, then depending on who gets knocked out, a team that slides up has the option to claim the player taken at what otherwise would have been their spot.
b: no signings of draftees until start of 20-21 camp
c: allow teams eligible to redraft to send scouts to development camps.

It’s not about preparation for the scouts, it’s about an insistence on closely tying the draft order to the playoff finish.