2020 Draft - Pick #187 - Kienan Draper

[lhsgolf19]

Todd Bertuzzi wasn't in management or the head of amateur scouting.
He was a player.

I'm saying if Todd didn't play or had a somewhat "big" part in the recent history of the Wings (at that time), would they have taken him in the 2nd... I doubt it.

 

[MBH]

I'm saying if Todd didn't play or had a somewhat "big" part in the recent history of the Wings (at that time), would they have taken him in the 2nd... I doubt it.

I have zero reason to believe that.
Did we draft Tag Bertuzzi?
f***. I would have preferred Tag Bertuzzi over Kienan Draper last year, without a doubt.

 

[Killerjas]

The target for some players is pretty small. Boom/bust make it sound like it's a 50/50 chance. When in reality for those late picks it's probably 1%/99%. Meaning we could draft a 100 guys like that until finding one star.
Draper may not be a "boom" pick, but maybe he's got a slightly higher potential to carve out a small role on an NHL team one day, as a 4th liner. So a lower ceiling but maybe 5% chance to make the NHL?

Either way you're looking at longshots, and either way you can't judge these late picks after just 1-2 years. Give it 4-5 years..

Fair points, but I am not looking for a maybe a 4th line guy from the draft. You can pick those guys up in UFA.

But hey, I do not make the shots at Detroit. My drafting preference is different in the later rounds where I favor high risk guys.

 

[HoweFan]

Seems to me there was at least one other team interested in him in the second round. I’m not sure who it was but it only takes one team. If we wanted him it was now or not at all. Congrats to the Wing scouts.

 

[Retire91]

But you’re not calling it out for being a stupid pick on merits. You’re saying “Kienan Draper is Kris’s son and therefore was only drafted because of that name”

Maybe he was drafted because in the games he had they liked his tenacity and thought they saw young Kris in him.

Wasn’t Drapes not exactly a highly scouted guy? Didn’t the Wings pick him up for $1 waiver draft fee?

You can raise questions about the move... that is fine. However, that’s not what people against it have been doing here.

It is “Kienan Draper nepotism pick!!” Blargh, they wasted a 7th round pick on a guy they could have just invited.

You’re more emotionally invested into the team than those people who have their literal livelihood wrapped up into it. More power to you, but that doesn’t make your opinion any more or less valid than theirs. To the Wings, Kienan Draper is worth a 7th round pick. Until or unless someone drafted after him does something worthy of praise, it’s the right move.

Okay right, they didn't draft him by name alone we are just crazy. It's just a coincidence they used their least valuable asset to pick him up and his father happens to be the scout.

So if I offer you this astronomically sized coincidence is indeed that a coincidence... oh wait I won't because labeling this as anything other than nepotism is absurd. So if we can't agree that nepotism is fundamentally bad and warrants a guilty until proven innocent stance we are not going to agree on anything in this regard because we have divergent views on the entire foundation of the situation.

My opinion doesn't need to be validated by the organization. Organization gonna organization. But if you are saying my opinion is simply invalid because they did what they did I take exception of that. Isn't part of the whole point of being a fan having an opinion on what is going on? Emotional investment is the only currency we have to spend in an internet forum. I might not agree but I think there is very little "invalid" opinion unless someone is creating flat earth type red wings conspiracy's.

 

[MBH]

If people really thought it was a waste of time to bitch about 7th round picks, they wouldn't waste their time arguing about it, would they?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I applaud all of you who have the emotional capacity to stress about our 7th round drafts picks in their D+1 season. I just don't have it in me.

 

[Retire91]

I am not really emotionally invested in the pick I think all that can be said has been said. I also share the optimism with people that it will work out.

What I am emotionally invested in is that this is somehow not nepotism. I guess there are at least two sides to every argument, but for real. Draper's father drafting Draper in the 7th round is not nepotism? I refuse to be gaslighted.

 

[TCNorthstars]

I'm saying if Todd didn't play or had a somewhat "big" part in the recent history of the Wings (at that time), would they have taken him in the 2nd... I doubt it.

Yes, yes they would have. They really liked him as a player. It had nothing to do with Todd. Why would you think a player would have any influence on drafting?

 

[Frk It]

I am not really emotionally invested in the pick I think all that can be said has been said. I also share the optimism with people that it will work out.

What I am emotionally invested in is that this is somehow not nepotism. I guess there are at least two sides to every argument, but for real. Draper's father drafting Draper in the 7th round is not nepotism? I refuse to be gaslighted.

Have you seen him play?

Because if I was overly concerned it was an undeserving pick based on nepotism, I would make a concerted effort to watch him to see if my hypothesis is true.

What I would not do, is assume my hypothesis is true without making any effort to validate it.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Have you seen him play?

Because if I was overly concerned it was an undeserving pick based on nepotism, I would make a concerted effort to watch him to see if my hypothesis is true.

What I would not do, is assume my hypothesis is true without making any effort to validate it.

 

[Bench]

Have you seen him play?

How most people here "watch" players:

 

[Retire91]

Have you seen him play?

Because if I was overly concerned it was an undeserving pick based on nepotism, I would make a concerted effort to watch him to see if my hypothesis is true.

What I would not do, is assume my hypothesis is true without making any effort to validate it.

Sure I will reschedule my life around and download some vids of our 7th round pick and start doing some scouting on him so I can argue against some internet friends that a 7th round pick of a son by his father is nepotism.

 

[Frk It]

Sure I will reschedule my life around and download some vids of our 7th round pick and start doing some scouting on him so I can argue against some internet friends that a 7th round pick of a son by his father is nepotism.

It was just an idea. I didn’t realize the USHL charges 30/month or 250/year now. Don’t know who the hell they think is gonna pay that. Used to be able to re-watch their games for free, if I’m not mistaken.

Go back to last name = Draper so has to be nepotism if you want. Just a pretty empty discussion IMO.

 

[ricky0034]

The target for some players is pretty small. Boom/bust make it sound like it's a 50/50 chance. When in reality for those late picks it's probably 1%/99%. Meaning we could draft a 100 guys like that until finding one star.
Draper may not be a "boom" pick, but maybe he's got a slightly higher potential to carve out a small role on an NHL team one day, as a 4th liner. So a lower ceiling but maybe 5% chance to make the NHL?

Either way you're looking at longshots, and either way you can't judge these late picks after just 1-2 years. Give it 4-5 years..

I disagree that someone like Draper even has a better chance to make the NHL than someone like Kivenmaki

he's a forward that currently has 1 point in 13 games in the USHL in his D+1, which is literally tied for 26th on his own team

at this point he probably has more like a 5% chance to make the AHL than a 5% chance to make the NHL

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Sure I will reschedule my life around and download some vids of our 7th round pick and start doing some scouting on him so I can argue against some internet friends that a 7th round pick of a son by his father is nepotism.

You clearly do care about it being nepotism, though. So all this sarcastic “oh yeah, I’m totally gonna go do all this insane stuff to prove I’m right” rings hollow. You’re still making the tired argument. When it is pointed out as a tired argument because you (rightfully so, because he’s a 7th round pick that isn’t going to amount to anything) won’t schedule time to watch him, admit it’s a shallow argument. Don’t be like “oh, the Wings are headed down the wrong path... nepotism... blah blah blah”.

It is just as valid that they didn’t have a strong preference on any of the guys that you tossed out and Kienan Draper’s got tenacity or something that they liked. There are non-Draper related reasons why you may have taken him. I haven’t seen him play either nor am I going to.

You are not countenancing that there could be some thing, hockey iq, grit, etc why they would pick him. Or maybe they looked at Pashin and determined his flaws were too much to overcome? Far too often people get their knickers in a twist when their guy isn’t taken.

Maybe Yzerman remembered Kienan from him being around the team when he was young.

 

[Gniwder]

I disagree that someone like Draper even has a better chance to make the NHL than someone like Kivenmaki

he's a forward that currently has 1 point in 13 games in the USHL in his D+1, which is literally tied for 26th on his own team

at this point he probably has more like a 5% chance to make the AHL than a 5% chance to make the NHL

If you can't score in the USHL, you can't score in the AHL either. 0% chance.

Seriously, if the team just wanted a player with NHL level size, skating, and physical ability with absolutely no scoring then they could have just kept Ehn.

Wasted pick.

 

[Retire91]

You clearly do care about it being nepotism, though. So all this sarcastic “oh yeah, I’m totally gonna go do all this insane stuff to prove I’m right” rings hollow. You’re still making the tired argument. When it is pointed out as a tired argument because you (rightfully so, because he’s a 7th round pick that isn’t going to amount to anything) won’t schedule time to watch him, admit it’s a shallow argument. Don’t be like “oh, the Wings are headed down the wrong path... nepotism... blah blah blah”.

It is just as valid that they didn’t have a strong preference on any of the guys that you tossed out and Kienan Draper’s got tenacity or something that they liked. There are non-Draper related reasons why you may have taken him. I haven’t seen him play either nor am I going to.

You are not countenancing that there could be some thing, hockey iq, grit, etc why they would pick him. Or maybe they looked at Pashin and determined his flaws were too much to overcome? Far too often people get their knickers in a twist when their guy isn’t taken.

Maybe Yzerman remembered Kienan from him being around the team when he was young.

Yep sure, the son that was drafted by his father with the 7th pick was an organic pick for his skill. We'll check back in when you are ready to acknowledge reality. If it works out then great but let's not try to hide from what it is. A burned 7th slot that probably wouldn't amount to a roster player no matter who it was but is even less likely now because someone jumped the line with their last name ticket.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Yep sure, the son that was drafted by his father with the 7th pick was an organic pick for his skill. We'll check back in when you are ready to acknowledge reality. If it works out then great but let's not try to hide from what it is. A burned 7th slot that probably wouldn't amount to a roster player no matter who it was but is even less likely now because someone jumped the line with their last name ticket.

Damn man, did Kris Draper do something to you personally? You seem incredibly bent out of shape about this.

 

[Retire91]

Love drapes, wish his son the best and hope he makes the roster. Just calling out all the gas lighting that this is something other than what it is.

 

[Gniwder]

Love drapes, wish his son the best and hope he makes the roster. Just calling out all the gas lighting that this is something other than what it is.

You mean something other than nepotism?

I predict in the 2026 NHL draft, Kamryn Draper will be the first female player drafted by the NHL.

 

[kliq]

Yeah. People hate Kienan.
Good Lord.

Nobody hates him.
I wish the kid the best too. I'd love for him to prove everyone wrong.
That's what you always want for your seventh round picks.

First thing I did when he was drafted was read the scouting reports.
Did nothing to convince me any of the "magical thinking" I see on the first two pages of this thread have a shot.

Read what I said. Not once did I say "people hate Kienan", what I said is that I hope he uses all this hate as fuel which is accurate as so many people hate the pick and are dead set on bashing him.
Calm down.

 

[kliq]

How most people here "watch" players:

If a person didnt know better, you would think that a good percentage of posters here are legit amateur scouts who actually watch these guys. In reality, they just parrot what they read somewhere else.

 

[MBH]

Read what I said. Not once did I say "people hate Kienan", what I said is that I hope he uses all this hate as fuel which is accurate as so many people hate the pick and are dead set on bashing him.
Calm down.

Yeah. I totally mischaracterized your post.

What a surprise that people dislike nepotism.

 

[MBH]

If a person didnt know better, you would think that a good percentage of posters here are legit amateur scouts who actually watch these guys. In reality, they just parrot what they read somewhere else.

It's a sports board.

People have reasonable takes like:
"It's only a 7th round pick, but I think there were better players and I don't like the looks of nepotism - especially with a guy who doesn't seem to have much upside."

And other people have unreasonable takes.
"Draper was a good guy who helped us win 7 cups. We should let him and his son enjoy the draft."

Or.
"Did Draper do something to you personally?"

And Kliq and Bench, of course, lampoon the reasonable takes. And then act like the others the unreasonable ones.

The best argument you've got is
"Who cares, it's a 7th rounder."
Which you don't even mean, or you wouldn't open the f***ing thread about a 7th rounder.