2020 Draft - Pick #187 - Kienan Draper
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It was a 7th round pick which I don't really care about. What I do care about is it doesn't seem any Draper pick has a chance of being a decent player in the NHL.
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Were you one of the ones crying about the Bertuzzi pick at draft time too? Another guy Draper stuck his neck out on
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Crying? Come on man, you know me well enough to not speak so rudely to me. No, I did not cry when Bert was drafted. I thought he went too early, but it wasn't a life shattering moment. I still think we could have drafted him later, but if this was a Draper pick, then I stand corrected.
Again, what the hell is a Draper pick exactly? Any NA pick? Any pick of a US born player? Any pick of a player born in metro Detroit? Any pick who is not Swedish? Any pick who is not part of the Frolunda organization? Any continental European pick? Any USHL Pick? Any OHL pick? Any CHL pick ? Any overage pick? Any NE Prep pick?
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Because some posters were complaining about it being a nepotism pick for 8 of those pages.
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which has been entirely vindicated by everything he's done since being drafted
but pardon us weirdos for not wanting to literally throw draft picks in the garbage I guess
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Nothing like being vindicated on a player people have never seen play 1 second of hockey.
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It truly is a meaningless pick - not Draper specifically - that late of a selection. Anyone we were really looking at in the 7th Rd, regardless if we drafted or not, would probably be available as a UDFA or would roll back into the draft the next year. This was not "costing" the Wings, as a franchise, anything. And I'm sure someone will pull some absurdly obscure name out like "What about Kotemi Kupperstanikovslav??!" - a) if he was that good, he would've been drafted earlier OR b) he probably wasn't drafted by another organization so just sign him OR c) If he was drafted, he will not be signed and we can sign him later. /shrug
Now I get the principal of the matter, that Drapers son's was gifted something that we don't think he deserves and that rubs people the wrong way and I suspect that's really the bigger issue here that that nepotism. I guess I don't personally find that big of an issue with it anymore that I am upset by: Landon Ferraro, Dominic Turgeon, Tyler Bertuzzi, Landon Ferraro, Louis Marc Aubry, Red Savage. And that's only the group I can think off of the top of my head - I'm sure it's WAY bigger than that list of how many of these kids are taken with NHL bloodlines somewhere. And that's just for the Wings, this is happening across the entire league and at way higher draft positions then 7th Rd. This pick did not hurt the Wings is any way. And these picks have been happening for years across the league, across organizations and getting all fired up is kind of irrelevant.
This was a fun article about the subject (only really with first and second round picks) - but a lot of the arguments probably apply even more so to late late round dart throws - include the bias towards last names when you don't know anyone on the ice, or the impact of socialization and growing up around professional hockey, etc.
Son of a gun, all grown up: Big-league fathers continue to produce NHL prospects
Now I get the principal of the matter, that Drapers son's was gifted something that we don't think he deserves and that rubs people the wrong way and I suspect that's really the bigger issue here that that nepotism. I guess I don't personally find that big of an issue with it anymore that I am upset by: Landon Ferraro, Dominic Turgeon, Tyler Bertuzzi, Landon Ferraro, Louis Marc Aubry, Red Savage. And that's only the group I can think off of the top of my head - I'm sure it's WAY bigger than that list of how many of these kids are taken with NHL bloodlines somewhere. And that's just for the Wings, this is happening across the entire league and at way higher draft positions then 7th Rd. This pick did not hurt the Wings is any way. And these picks have been happening for years across the league, across organizations and getting all fired up is kind of irrelevant.
This was a fun article about the subject (only really with first and second round picks) - but a lot of the arguments probably apply even more so to late late round dart throws - include the bias towards last names when you don't know anyone on the ice, or the impact of socialization and growing up around professional hockey, etc.
Son of a gun, all grown up: Big-league fathers continue to produce NHL prospects
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And some posters were defending the pick, or dismissing all complaints as pointless since all 7th round picks are meaningless.
Waste a 7th rounder on Kienan Draper.
Or waste a third rounder on Draper's overager buddy Mazur.
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It's not a morality judgment.
It's a draft value judgment.
If Kienan Draper looked like a good pick on draft day, or looked like a good pick today, nobody would care.
I saw Tag Bertuzzi out there. Would have loved Tag Bertuzzi in that spot for a nepotism draft pick.
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Crying maybe came across too harsh but the point still stands. Everyone whined and bitched about that pick and he ended up arguably the best player taken in that draft at that point or later. And youre still saying he could have went later? Pesce is probably the only player after him who is more impactful (Guentzel as well but stick Bertuzzi with Crosby and its comparable I think) and people will still say they should've drafted him later.
It was talked about Draper sticking his neck out there on Bertuzzi and everyone was ready to hang Draper after it.
Lol youre another I'm sure that was ready to hang Draper after the Bertuzzi pick. Say what you want about Kienan Draper and get bent out of shape about a 7th rounder cause overreacting is what you do I guess, but we're already calling Mazur a wasted pick? Thats weak even by your standards, hes getting traction to play world juniors for a fairly stacked USA team this year but hes a wasted pick too.
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Mazur was taken way too f***ing high.
He's an overager who didn't track in most draft publications.
One of his linemates, Hunter Strand, produced better, was in his actual draft year, and he's a center, and he didn't get drafted at all.
So yeah, I think Mazur was a wasted pick who, if he got drafted at all, probably would have been there in round 6 or 7.
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What's annoying to me is people didn't have enough information to say Kienan was a wasted pick on draft day (but did anyways), and they don't have enough to say that about Mazur either and are now doing that.
If people waited and then wanted to hammer the pick after Kienan put up 7 points in the USHL, go ahead. I can understand that.
But to absolutely hammer picking a player you have never seen play, just because you don't know a lot about them, and before they give you reason to... yeah, that's f***ing stupid in my book.
I watched Rasmussen play, thought he was overrated. Voiced that opinion.
I watched Lane Zablocki play, thought he was trash. Voiced that opinion.
Draper? Aucion? Mazur?
Never saw them play for a second. I may share skepticism on those picks, but I want to at least see what they do after being picked.
Someone gets drafted people didn't have in their little draft guide but have never seen play, and people freak out and assume gross extreme negligence. Do you have any idea if Mazur and Draper are buddy's? No.
It's so stupid.
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Be annoyed.
Call it stupid if you want.
You don't have to watch Mazur play to know he's almost surely picked too high. Same with Draper.
So pretend you're the only smart guy all you want.
I didn't need to watch Lane Zablocki play to be all "WTF"" about it.
I didn't need to watch Mazur play to know that 70 was too high.
There were lots of known-quantity, good value players still on the board.
Scouting reports from this and last year aren't that impressive. The stats, for an over ager, aren't that impressive.
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Josh Doan is a really good hockey player, my dude. I was hoping we would have picked him at 36 or 38 instead of Buium. The guy is a very similar player to Nick Foligno and I think he's the kind of guy that will play in the NHL for a very long time.
