Salary Cap: 2020-21 Salary Cap

[Smitty93]

Looks like we've got a more up-to-date estimate on the salary cap next year. Back in December, governors had estimated that it'd be $82.5 - $83.5 million, so this is an increase from that.

Even if it's on the low end of Daly's estimate, this should provide the Bruins plenty of space to re-sign all of their players.

 

[Kegs]

Good news for sweeney and us fans.

 

[Spooner st]

Good news for sweeney and us fans.

I don't know about us fans... for those that have season tickets and those that go to the games, there will be increases on tickets and food/drinks. Everytime cap salary goes up, so does salaries and consumers are the ones paying for it.
You know... supply and demand.

 

[JRull86]

If they settle in the middle at 86 million, Bruins should have around 25 million this offseason.

 

[Smitty93]

If they settle in the middle at 86 million, Bruins should have around 25 million this offseason.

It's actually kind of a shame that the numbers are expected to be higher than they predicted back in December. The Bruins were already one of the teams that had more space.

Maybe if it's closer to $88 million, you don't need to pay as much to get rid of Backes' contract, since you would have more space to retain. It also gives teams like Tampa, who are up against the max for next year already, more room to maneuver.

 

[KlausJopling]

It's actually kind of a shame that the numbers are expected to be higher than they predicted back in December. The Bruins were already one of the teams that had more space.

Maybe if it's closer to $88 million, you don't need to pay as much to get rid of Backes' contract, since you would have more space to retain. It also gives teams like Tampa, who are up against the max for next year already, more room to maneuver.

Tampa is gonna have to move a couple of their middle 6 guys making good money regardless in the offseason (part of the reason they overpaid for 2 guys on cheap contracts). They already have 76 mil in cap space tied up for next season and Cirelli and Segachev to sign, plus probably 3 more defenseman to sign. Atleast one of Johnson, Gourde, Killhorn or Palat gonna need to be moved.

 

[PlayMakers]

Taylor Hall!

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

let's throw the farm and cap at eichel while he's still angry with buffalo

 

[Smitty93]

Taylor Hall!

4th team's the charm? Small sample size, but both New Jersey and Arizona got worse when he arrived, and then Edmonton and New Jersey improved when he left. That doesn't feel like a coincidence, especially considering the rumors about him being a bad teammate. The Bruins have the leadership to handle that, but it wouldn't surprise me if Sweeney's heard enough to stay away.

 

[PlayMakers]

4th team's the charm? Small sample size, but both New Jersey and Arizona got worse when he arrived, and then Edmonton and New Jersey improved when he left. That doesn't feel like a coincidence, especially considering the rumors about him being a bad teammate. The Bruins have the leadership to handle that, but it wouldn't surprise me if Sweeney's heard enough to stay away.

I'm just messin'. Thought I'd throw some lighter fluid into the mix and see what comes of it.

 

[Shaun]

ovechkin is a free agent after next season...

 

[bob27]

If they settle in the middle at 86 million, Bruins should have around 25 million this offseason.

Sweeney needs to be locked in a cage on July 1st and have his phone thrown into a river. He can come out when all the big UFA names are off the board.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Taylor Hall!

Never.

Bruins don’t need internal Cap buster losers.

There is a Bergeron-Marchand-Pasta Cap ceiling for a few years. Pasta will bust it out on his next deal but until then, don’t go stupid like the Leafs did with Tavares that led to Matthews-Marner wanting the same and go with middle 6 affordable great depth.

If a top player wants to play for this great contender and have a great chance at the Cup, he will have to accept less. If he wants money, he can go lose elsewhere.

And from Moore account, Hall is a loser and he’s glad he’s not his teammate any longer.

Hopefully, he goes to the Habs for 77M/7y.

 

[The National]

Who do they let walk with contracts of Krug, Debrusk, Bjork, Nordy, Chara, Gryz, Kuhlman, and Halak coming to an end?

I assume Nordy is one of them, but I know Donny loves his 4th liners.

 

[Smitty93]

Who do they let walk with contracts of Krug, Debrusk, Bjork, Nordy, Chara, Gryz, Kuhlman, and Halak coming to an end?

I assume Nordy is one of them, but I know Donny loves his 4th liners.

Nordstrom is likely gone, but they have plenty of money to re-sign the rest. I'd guarantee all of the RFAs are still here, unless they trade them. With Krug, it's whether he'll take less to stay or if the Bruins will pay more than they want to. With Halak, I think the biggest question is whether he wants to be a starter somewhere. I wouldn't knock him if he did, but he's going to be 35, so I don't know how many teams would be interested in him as a starter.

 

[KlausJopling]

Nordstrom is probably the only one you let walk willingly. Mostly because you have Lindholm already for next season. If they can't sign Halak, they use that same money on another goalie.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

going to do a complete breakdown of next year's roster... look at our unsigned players and do a quick comparison to the market to see what they will be asking for/offered... and see just where we sit thanks to the sweenius of our gm and the wizzardy of mr evan gold.

lets start with our currently projected 2020-21 lineup

LW
----
Brad Marchand 6,125,000
Nick Ritchie 1,498,925
Jake Debrusk ?
Par Lindholm 850,000
C
---
Patrice Bergeron 6,875,000
David Krejci 7,250,000
Charlie Coyle 5,250,000
Sean Kuraly 1,275,000
RW
----
David Patrnak 6,666,666
Ondrej Kase 2,600,000
Anders Bjork ?
Karson Kuhlman ?
Chris Wagner 1,350,000
D
---
Torey Krug ?
Charlie McAvoy 4,900,000
Matt Grzelyck ?
Brandon Carlo 2,850,000
John Moore 2,750,000
Zdeno Chara ?
Connor Clifton 1,000,000
Jeremy Lauzon 850,000
G
--
Tuuka Rask 7,000,000
Jaroslav Halak ?
Retained Salary
1.500,000

giving us a Total {before potential carryover penalties}
61,290,591
for
10 forwards
5 dmen
1 goalie all signed
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so lets call the cap 84 million for argument's sake... and let's say whatever cap penalty we suffer from the chara contract balances out with whatever the real cap might be above and beyond 84 million.

this will leave us 22.7 million to get our 7 open roster spots filled.

now lets figure out if we can afford our 7 known freeagents… would this be enough to give Torey Krug 8 mill a year?

There are currently only 7 dmen in the nhl that make 8 million or more. Does Krug compare? Erik Karlsson averages around 25 mins a night... hes a number 1. Drew Doughty averages 26 mins... hes a number 1. PK Subban averages 24 mins... hes a number 1. Oliver Ekman Larsson averages 23 1/2... hes a number 1... Jacob Trouba near 23 mins... hes a number 1. John Carlson is over 23 mins... hes anumber 1 and finally Brent Burns has been over 25 mins a night since converting to defense... hes a number 1.

Torey Krug averages a hair over 20 mins because he cant be a number 1. he cant do defensive zone starts against a scoring line. he cant PK. It's almost impossible to defend the idea that he would get 8 million as he turns 29 and is almost guaranteed to be in decline within a couple years. I actually think its a bit ridiculous to imagine anyone giving krug 8 on a long term deal. 6.5 though could make a lot of sense on a longer deal... and maybe go up to 7.5 per year to try to convince him to accept a 4 year deal ?

will we have enough to give jake debrusk 5.5 mill a year? debrusk now has 120 points in 200 career games.

Bradon Saad had 126 points in 208 games when he got 6 mill way back in 2015
Timo Meir had 108 points 193 games... he got 6 mill
william nylander had 135 points in 184 games and got almost 7 million

its a raw numbers game for scoring second line wingers and debrusks numbers say 5.5 mill is the lower end of what he will be getting

anders bjork and karson kuhlman will be 2 of the easier guys to figure. Neither has established himself as a full time player above the 3rd line. Both will get their qualifers and possibly a small little extra bonus... slot them in at 1.1 mill and we will be fine

Zdeno Chara... he's interesting. I think ultimately he lets the team tell him what we can afford this year. He isnt hanging around for every nickle and penny he can get his hands on. He wants to play on a winner and he will want this team to stay intact. I will put him down as a 2 mill cap hit in this little exercise.

Matt Grzelyck... is an 18 min per night, undersized guy with 52 points in 194 games... that isnt going to end up helping him much at an arbitration hearing. he is arbitration eligible. Brandon Carlo only got 2.85 mill so figure less than that. Matt Benning in edmonton got 1.9 mill so figure more than that. If we are trying to keep Grzelyck happy lets call it 2.5 mill

finally we got jaroslav halak. James Reimer and Tomas Griess are the highest paid backups in the nhl at around 3.4 mill. We can boost Halak up here even at his age

so we have my estimates for new deals {I will add suggested years too}
7.5 krug {4 year deal}
5.5 debrusk {4 year deal... lets him become an ufa at age 28 so he takes a bit less}
1.1 Kuhlman {2 year deal}
1.1 Bjork {2 year deal}
2.5 Grzelyck {2 year deal}
2 Chara {1 year deal possibly with bonuses}
3.4 Halak {2 year deal}
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23.1 mill for the new contracts

it puts us just slightly over the 22.7 mill we project to have.

if we trade john moore and give his spot to jacob zboril or zach senyshyn {both of whom are at risk to lose on waivers... our cap will work}

we actually can keep all of our free agents. we actually were able to afford the retention on backes. this is one time dom and a few others here were telling me not to worry... and damn if sweeney and evan gold arent on the cupse of pulling this off.

thanks to an unexpected boost in next year's cap... and a couple wise target trades to bring in established nhl talents on very good contracts... its looking damn good

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Nordstrom is likely gone, but they have plenty of money to re-sign the rest. I'd guarantee all of the RFAs are still here, unless they trade them. With Krug, it's whether he'll take less to stay or if the Bruins will pay more than they want to. With Halak, I think the biggest question is whether he wants to be a starter somewhere. I wouldn't knock him if he did, but he's going to be 35, so I don't know how many teams would be interested in him as a starter.

Nordstrom comes down to a numbers game I think... unless we opt to deal Lindholm who is cheaper, we really only got 1 spot for a 13th forward defensive specialist vet. honestly I think Nordstrom will get the tim schaller/noel accari big money deal elsewhere. the rest of the nhl prizes our 4th line cast offs

 

[danpantz]

Just means a team is going to be able to throw even more money at Krug.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

Taylor Hall!

Or Hoffman, but no longer than 4 years (I hope it's a lesson learned after Beleskey and Backes fiasco).

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Or Hoffman, but no longer than 4 years (I hope it's a lesson learned after Beleskey and Backes fiasco).

losing seems to follow Hoffman around {but then again same can be said for hall and I like him}

ultimately though he have to remove money to add money. who is being shown the door to add Hoffman?

 

[JRull86]

going to do a complete breakdown of next year's roster... look at our unsigned players and do a quick comparison to the market to see what they will be asking for/offered... and see just where we sit thanks to the sweenius of our gm and the wizzardy of mr evan gold.

Assuming Krug, Chara, Grzelcyk are re-signed...

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Grzelcyk - Lauzon
Clifton - Moore
Kampfer - Vaak/Zboril

I'm assuming they move Moore. Realistically he's their 8th D right now. Reasonable cap hit for a guy with some term and won't kill you on the back end, but won't give you much outside of a 5/6 pair.

I think you're also way, way overvaluing DeBrusk here.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Assuming Krug, Chara, Grzelcyk are re-signed...

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Grzelcyk - Lauzon
Clifton - Moore
Kampfer - Vaak/Zboril

I'm assuming they move Moore. Realistically he's their 8th D right now. Reasonable cap hit for a guy with some term and won't kill you on the back end, but won't give you much outside of a 5/6 pair.

I think you're also way, way overvaluing DeBrusk here.

well if im debrusk agent... I call him a first round pick in that 23-24 age range who has 120 points on his elc. then I just do some very simple math and look at other first round picks in the 23-24 age range who have 120 points

you cant argue the comparables are much better defensively... much better physically.

you could argue we dont need to give him a 5-6 year deal. if you wanted to hardball him on a 1 year bridge deal you might be able to get away with it.

theres also a possibility to give him a player friendly 2 year deal structured like
3 mill year 1 and 6 mill year 2. this will give him a very healthy qualifier for his long term deal

there have been a few guys taking team friendly deals recently in exchange for the big balloon payment in year 3.

you got to remember debrusk will become eligible for arbitration in a year... and then he can do what Jacob trouba did in Winnipeg... just finish out his career miserable... fighting for every penny... and leaving first chance he got.

arbitration is a straight numbers comparison and I have listed the money comparables for debrusk

hes about to become a 2 time 20 goal scorer on his elc… there aint many of those guys around and they all get PAID

 

[BB88]

Taylor Hall!

I mean if Krug would end up walking and cap raises as well as hoped Sweeney has some big time money to go shopping for star forward.
+ There's good amount of cap coming off the books in the following years to afford it moving forward.

Sadly Sweeney isn't really known for big moves.
But here's for hoping.

(I also assume a bit sarcasm on your post?)

losing seems to follow Hoffman around {but then again same can be said for hall and I like him}

ultimately though he have to remove money to add money. who is being shown the door to add Hoffman?

Have to say that Hoffman has been the only Panther player showing heart during this dark time of theirs.
It's hard to blame Bob/abysmal Dcore on him.

Though you don't sign his type of players at 31y with term

 

[bbfan419]

Who do they let walk with contracts of Krug, Debrusk, Bjork, Nordy, Chara, Gryz, Kuhlman, and Halak coming to an end?

I assume Nordy is one of them, but I know Donny loves his 4th liners.

Nordstrom most likely gone for sure, Halak too unless he is willing to sign for a little less than he makes now, I could also see Krug's rights traded if he really wants $8M AAV.