2020/21 Roster Thread

[Rebels57]

that's really it but laughton can certainly be fine defensively at a 4c. Its a lot less responsibility than what he was being played at majority of the year - 3rd line c. Just makes no sense to get koivu when we got laughton. If people want to put laughton at wing on the 3rd line then where the heck is frost going to be lol. the 3rd line is jvr, frost, and one of lindblom, farabee

I am of the mindset that we shouldn't make a single free agent move other than acquiring a LHD to play with Friedman on the 3rd pair and relegate Hagg to 7th Defensemen.

I'm open to player for player hockey trades or trading Laughton or JVR for futures though.

 

[BlackandOrange]

I would expect a team needing more of a 1B like Colorado or even a 1A like Edmonton would be high on his list.

I think Lundqvist could be a 2A+, Jaroslav Halak style. Anyways should be interesting to see where he goes. I mean Tampa Bay always needs more Ranger's castoffs.

 

[Rebels57]

I think Lundqvist could be a 2A+, Jaroslav Halak style. Anyways should be interesting to see where he goes. I mean Tampa Bay always needs more Ranger's castoffs.

No interest at all in Hank or anyone else in a 2A capacity.

The net belongs to the golden child, Carter Hart.

 

[Beef Invictus]

To be fair, that's not far off the league average for backup goalies last year. Same save percentage as Matt Murray and actually better than Braden Holtby. 50th overall in the league. Not great, not terrible.

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/2019-20-nhl-goalies-stats.html

For Holtby and Murray that is indeed terrible though. Geez.

Wonder how much of Murray is a result of KR degrading their defense steadily. He seems a goalie that can bounce back with a reliable defense.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Haven’t seen a ton saying he’s going to put up big numbers.

Seeing a lot say he’s better than the bar that was set. With upside.
That bar was grant and Thompson.

Seeing a bunch realize he was going to play in the playoff but wanted him to see more time in the regular season.

Most all want him to just play. Knowing there will be growing pains as there are for almost all players that come into the league.

I'll quote Ron Hextall here: "The NHL isn't a developmental league."

When I was younger I was all about just playing the most naturally talented players. I've come to believe over time that such is a very oversimplified strategy and the wrong approach.

Most organizations' top prospects enter the professional ranks having been able to get by on raw talent and have tons of bad habits. Most are physically weak. Most need to learn how to play against not just men, but also the best players in the world. The young players who can get by on talent alone are very rare. Morgan Frost is not one of those rare players.

I understand the allure of the mystery box. But when it boils down to it, Frost is a project that is going to take some time. He still got 20 NHL games this season, and put up 2 goals and 5 assists.

 

[Rebels57]

For Holtby and Murray that is indeed terrible though. Geez.

Look at some of the other names around .900-.905..lots of surprises including John Gibson.

Was a weird season for goalies.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'll quote Ron Hextall here: "The NHL isn't a developmental league."

When I was younger I was all about just playing the most naturally talented players. I've come to believe over time that such is a very oversimplified strategy and the wrong approach.

Most organizations' top prospects enter the professional ranks having been able to get by on raw talent and have tons of bad habits. Most are physically weak. Most need to learn how to play against not just men, but also the best players in the world. The young players who can get by on talent alone are very rare. Morgan Frost is not one of those rare players.

I understand the allure of the mystery box. But when it boils down to it, Frost is a project that is going to take some time. He still got 20 NHL games this season, and put up 2 goals and 5 assists.

Hextall's development philosophy sucks.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Berube got out of his team's way. Not unlike Bylsma.

I only say this about coaches who change. Lavi adapted between us and Nashville, but beyond that wasn't a paragon of flexibility. Tortorella has actually shown a capacity for change. Trotz locked down into a world of stubborn nonsense for most of his career, and since 2018 he has not which has finally brought him playoff success

Berube's only visible adjustment was deviating from his disastrously meticulous and slow breakout. Which was neat to see for the Blues, but it remains to be seen if he has higher problem solving abilities beyond that very obvious adjustment. Chances are great he doesn't.

If AV changes then I'll admit he has. But do we want to gamble that he will? We already gambled an insane amount of player peaks hoping the neophyte Hakstol would develop as a coach and he didn't.

I don't buy it at all. It's very convenient to criticize a coach and then when he has success retroactively explain it away as he "changed." I guarantee that if you talked to these coaches they would laugh at the suggestion that they undertook some kind of substantial magical change.

 

[Adtar02]

I'll quote Ron Hextall here: "The NHL isn't a developmental league."

When I was younger I was all about just playing the most naturally talented players. I've come to believe over time that such is a very oversimplified strategy and the wrong approach.

Most organizations' top prospects enter the professional ranks having been able to get by on raw talent and have tons of bad habits. Most are physically weak. Most need to learn how to play against not just men, but also the best players in the world. The young players who can get by on talent alone are very rare. Morgan Frost is not one of those rare players.

I understand the allure of the mystery box. But when it boils down to it, Frost is a project that is going to take some time. He still got 20 NHL games this season, and put up 2 goals and 5 assists.

Not really sure what your trying to imply.

But you can’t get better at playing in the nhl. By not playing in the nhl

On top of that. Going by your quote. He won’t be ready to play this year either. Because of the pandemic no way he could become nhl ready.”or superstar level” as it’s been implied to be able to play.

And you really didn’t address anything I actually said you talked about stuff I didn’t.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Not really sure what your trying to imply.

But you can’t get better at playing in the nhl. By not playing in the nhl

Of course you can.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

I thinking Frost is traded in the next two weeks or so!

 

[landsbergfan]

I thinking Frost is traded in the next two weeks or so!

great post

 

[Adtar02]

Of course you can.

Really. You can get better at playing hockey. But not at playing in a league you aren’t playing in.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

If (and that's a big if) you could sign Hank for 2 years, 1.5 per year, would you?

I don't know if he would be much better than Elliot, but I'd be willing to do it just on how much it would piss rangers fans off, personally.

You could place seven naked Japanese beauties across my body chanting "Ohmmmmm" for 10,000 years, and I would still have enough spite left at the end of that time to say "F*** no" to Henke the f***ing King of the Sieves.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

That's a shame. Poor bastard. Oh well, Henke, I guess you just have to suck it.

 

[BernieParent]

Is Whitey a first name? Or the last name?

Or just the whole thing.

Gritty's North Pole cousin

 

[BernieParent]

Shut up ya hextall luvr. Morgan lemieux- I mean frost - will get his shot when mgmt says he's ready.

.. and when his blood type changes from ab(s)-negative.

 

[BiggE]

If Patrick is good to go, move JVR for some cap cushion, put Frost on the wing, and go with the following:

Top 3 C: Couts, Hayes Patrick
Top 6 W: G, Jake, TK, Oskar, Farabee, Frost

4th line: Raffl-Laughton-NAK

If a kid like Lacyzinski or Sandin wins a spot, so much the better as it just means a deeper group.

On D, re-sign Myers and go with the group of 7 you have. Finally, re-sign Moose to be the back-up.

TK, Oskar, Patrick, Frost, Farabee, Myers, Sanheim, Provy and Hart are all still ascending players. There is no need to make any rash moves or signings.

 

[BiggE]

That's a shame. Poor bastard. Oh well, Henke, I guess you just have to suck it.

I love this post!

 

[BiggE]

GMs should take the same oaths as doctors: First, Do No Harm.

 

[Chinatown88]

.. and when his blood type changes from ab(s)-negative.

 

[kudymen]

GMs should take the same oaths as doctors: First, Do No Harm.

Only if the dentists are taking that one too. Dentistry is the best prerequisite for authentic GMing

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Really. You can get better at playing hockey. But not at playing in a league you aren’t playing in.

That's sort of like saying you should promote students straight from junior high to college, because you can't get better at college without being in college.

 

[Magua]

You could place seven naked Japanese beauties across my body chanting "Ohmmmmm" for 10,000 years, and I would still have enough spite left at the end of that time to say "F*** no" to Henke the f***ing King of the Sieves.

偉大なポスト。偉大な意地悪。

Great post. Great spite.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I thinking Frost is traded in the next two weeks or so!

Did you misspell JVR?