2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Choralone]

That BeachLife thing was last May...

 

[Fat Elvis]

I'm in the camp where I think they should entertain offers for DD8 and #11. I think that we've seen the best both players have to offer and that going forward there's just going to be less in the tank for each player. I do not think dealing either needs to be done asap. Just think that offers need to be listened to. Been around here long enough not to be married to any player. Just assets. Sometimes you have to trade your best assets in order to improve the team as a whole going forward. Not winning with them today or the last few seasons. Moving AMart or TT could add a couple decent pieces, but Not multiple "high end" pieces that a DD8 and #11 would.
I also don't put as much into NMC's as others around here do. It's just a contract with stipulations, which can be worked out easily if the player wants a better chance to hoist another cup.

Anyway, it makes for good discussion.

 

[Lt Dan]

I'm in the camp where I think they should entertain offers for DD8 and #11. I think that we've seen the best both players have to offer and that going forward there's just going to be less in the tank for each player. I do not think dealing either needs to be done asap. Just think that offers need to be listened to. Been around here long enough not to be married to any player. Just assets. Sometimes you have to trade your best assets in order to improve the team as a whole going forward. Not winning with them today or the last few seasons. Moving AMart or TT could add a couple decent pieces, but multiple "high end" pieces that a DD8 and #11 would.
I also don't put as much into NMC's as others around here do. It's just a contract with stipulations, which can be worked out easily if the player wants a better chance to hoist another cup.

Anyway, it makes for good discussion.

I don't think Brown or Kopitar will ever be traded. I think Doughty is a king for life, but they might get an offer that blows them away

 

[Bandit]

No wonder he doesn’t want to leave LA, Carter enjoys the #beachlife.

I mean, you can apply that to pretty much anyone. Live in Manhattan Beach were it’s warm and sunny and full of beautiful women year round, or freeze your dick off in Edmonton. Tough choice.

 

[raswilliam]

I don't think Brown or Kopitar will ever be traded. I think Doughty is a king for life, but they might get an offer that blows them away

Brown under contract for only 2 more years after this season.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Kopitar is the least likely to waive his trade protection. Dude will only give up living at his compound in Manhattan Beach after he is retired and elected King of Slovenia.

Brown only has 3 more seasons and his cap hit isn’t in the $10+m range. I don’t think he moves at all.

Doughty is the guy to move to truly signal a rebuild and get assets which turn the tide of the franchise within this new decade.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Live in Manhattan Beach were it’s warm and sunny and full of beautiful women year round, or freeze your dick off in Edmonton. Tough choice.

Buddy, you should have listened to Bandit and taken that contract LA gave ya and ran with it. You chose poorly.

 

[KINGS17]

Buddy, you should have listened to Bandit and taken that contract LA gave ya and ran with it. You chose poorly.

So, instead of going from human to ancient corpse in less than a minute, his dick just fell off. Still, you're right he chose poorly.

 

[Bandit]

Buddy, you should have listened to Bandit and taken that contract LA gave ya and ran with it. You chose poorly.

I mean they did throw a lot more money at him which can be an equalizer, but in Carter's case that's not an option. Still, i'd keep my dick. But yes you're right, Lucic chose poorly, lucky for us.

 

[henkkj]

I think Kopitar will stay in LA until he retires. In my opinion good plan for Doughty would be to hold on to him for at least 3-4 years while our young guys develop. If we are a contender in a few years we should keep Doughty until he retires but if the rebuild fails I think Doughty should be moved if he wants to go. I highly doubt that a 33-35 year old Doughty is much worse than he currently is and the cap is probably going up too, so his contract should be easily tradeable in a few years.

 

[KINGS17]

This is what it felt like the first time the Kings won the Stanley Cup...



like a baby trying ice cream for the first time!

 

[KingsFan7824]

I'm in the camp where I think they should entertain offers for DD8 and #11. I think that we've seen the best both players have to offer and that going forward there's just going to be less in the tank for each player. I do not think dealing either needs to be done asap. Just think that offers need to be listened to. Been around here long enough not to be married to any player. Just assets. Sometimes you have to trade your best assets in order to improve the team as a whole going forward. Not winning with them today or the last few seasons. Moving AMart or TT could add a couple decent pieces, but Not multiple "high end" pieces that a DD8 and #11 would.
I also don't put as much into NMC's as others around here do. It's just a contract with stipulations, which can be worked out easily if the player wants a better chance to hoist another cup.

Anyway, it makes for good discussion.

I don't see how those two things fit together. Extracting value from those contracts is no longer in the cards, if it ever was from the day they signed them. At this point, we would probably have to be to happy just to see the contracts gone.

Kopitar doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that will want out. He's not chasing anything. Plus he gets to pick 7 teams he'd be willing to go to after this year. The finances would have to work for the other team, as well as the Kings. Not retaining 50% for 4 years or anything like that. Same with Brown. Easier to trade Brown today than it was yesterday, because finally the years on his contract have chipped away a bit, but he's also not chasing anything. He's got the family. Maybe next deadline, possibly 2022 in a probable last year send off to a contender situation. Again, without a Cup, that would definitely happen. With the Cup, unless he asks out to be in a competitive situation, if he retires wearing only 1 jersey, it would be sort of cool. If he was an asset, then goodbye, but a 36+ year old Brown isn't bringing anything back.

Doughty, it could be stereotypical, but you could see him making a stink about being here. More than he already has. But of course the contract makes him pretty much stuck. There's no former team out there like Luongo had to take pity on him. Sure, your contract sucks, but come on back big guy. We love ya bud! Doughty's already on that team. Bad contract, no team expectations, irrelevant franchise, just get your paycheck and live your pro athlete life.

This is what it felt like the first time the Kings won the Stanley Cup...



like a baby trying ice cream for the first time!

That looks like Lombardi's meeting with Richards, minus someone to save him from himself.

 

[BigKing]

I think it is all a moot point because I don't think for a second that Bluc is interested in moving Doughty or Kopitar.

By the time this team is decent, their contracts won't even be a problem if the cap keeps rising. Kings are going to have them and then a bunch of smaller money deals.

As for the Luongo comparable, Doughty doesn't need a former team to take pity on him: teams would still lineup to add him even with his contract. How many times did Phaneuf get traded prior to the Gaborik deal? Twice?

 

[DoktorJeep]

Doughty’s love for all things Canada make him an ideal target to move to Edmonton at the draft. I’d take back a package of Bouchard, Puljarvi, 2020 1st and Lucic for Doughty with $0 retained either side.

 

[kilowatt]

Doughty’s love for all things Canada make him an ideal target to move to Edmonton at the draft. I’d take back a package of Bouchard, Puljarvi, 2020 1st and Lucic for Doughty with $0 retained either side.

Lucic doesn’t play for Edmonton, so that’d be an awfully strange deal.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I think it is all a moot point because I don't think for a second that Bluc is interested in moving Doughty or Kopitar.

By the time this team is decent, their contracts won't even be a problem if the cap keeps rising. Kings are going to have them and then a bunch of smaller money deals.

As for the Luongo comparable, Doughty doesn't need a former team to take pity on him: teams would still lineup to add him even with his contract. How many times did Phaneuf get traded prior to the Gaborik deal? Twice?

Would you take a Phaneuf type return for Doughty? All 3 times it was a bunch of cap dumps, and nothing with any potential, save for one 2nd round pick. A lot of teams would be interested if that was the price. If you combined the return in all 3 Phaneuf trades, would you take that for Doughty?

And it's not just Blake and Robitaille. The organization isn't interested in trading the core of the team that won the Cup. That's why they gave them all Cup/retirement contracts.

 

[BigKing]

Would you take a Phaneuf type return for Doughty? All 3 times it was a bunch of cap dumps, and nothing with any potential, save for one 2nd round pick. A lot of teams would be interested if that was the price. If you combined the return in all 3 Phaneuf trades, would you take that for Doughty?

And it's not just Blake and Robitaille. The organization isn't interested in trading the core of the team that won the Cup. That's why they gave them all Cup/retirement contracts.

My point was that Doughty is still a much better player than Dion so team's would be interested: they'd also pony up good assets.

A team that feels they are close this season would certainly add him at the TDL for a future-heavy deal.

Like you also believe: it is a moot point. Maybe if the Kings had a surplus of good D prospects but they don't. Blake is banking on Doughty still being a top-pairing guy three seasons from now. Since this is the case, they might want to think about lowering his f***ing minutes.

 

[crassbonanza]

Since this is the case, they might want to think about lowering his ****ing minutes.

This is one of my biggest issues with the past few seasons. I can accept that we suck and are going for a re-tool, but we should be using these years to give Kopitar and Doughty a bit of a break. They logged insane amounts of minutes through the 2010's, it would be nice if they were a bit rejuvenated when the prospects come online.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Lucic doesn’t play for Edmonton, so that’d be an awfully strange deal.

You’re right, I’m speculating uselessly

 

[DoktorJeep]

Arthur Staple covers the Islanders for the Athletic. He wrote today about trade targets and included Toffoli. The interesting bit is the part where he writes that there may be a front office change coming this off season.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Blake quit and go take a job being GM of the Ducks.

Tyler Toffoli, forward, Kings: A consistent point-every-other-game scorer over his seven-plus seasons in L.A., he’s also got consistently strong metrics and can play a heavier style that the Islanders prefer. The Kings are rumored to be in some front-office flux — a league source indicated there could be a GM change coming at season’s end, so that may change the view on some of the vets. But the Kings are in sell mode, it seems, and the Islanders need a productive winger to solidify their top nine.

Exec’s take: “I’ve heard there hasn’t been much talk there because the cost is still pretty high, but it sure seems like they’re going to move him. Should pick up after the break.”

Projected cost: Much like with Pageau, surrendering a first for a rental seems foolish for the Isles, given where they are and the state of their prospect pool. If one of the league heavyweights (St. Louis, Boston), or a team like the Avalanche, decides surrendering a late first is worth the risk, the Isles can’t really counter.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think people (not just here) are consistently overestimating the cap-dumpiness of Doughty or Kopitar. Everyone acts like they'd be hard to move--contracts wouldn't be why, especially given how much salary we could eat coming back. Minus the other assets, you're upgrading from f***ing Lucic to Doughty for 5 million. In a world where Jacob Trouba is worth 8 million and Jeff Skinner 9, Kopitar and Doughty are "meh" contracts.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Arthur Staple covers the Islanders for the Athletic. He wrote today about trade targets and included Toffoli. The interesting bit is the part where he writes that there may be a front office change coming this off season.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Blake quit and go take a job being GM of the Ducks.

What the f***?

I mean, that's kind of a bombshell tidbit concealed by a trade article, no?!? Jesus.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Arthur Staple covers the Islanders for the Athletic. He wrote today about trade targets and included Toffoli. The interesting bit is the part where he writes that there may be a front office change coming this off season.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Blake quit and go take a job being GM of the Ducks.

lol Imagine if Blake did go to the Ducks. They'd have to put his banner in a vault.

 

[KINGS17]

Arthur Staple covers the Islanders for the Athletic. He wrote today about trade targets and included Toffoli. The interesting bit is the part where he writes that there may be a front office change coming this off season.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Blake quit and go take a job being GM of the Ducks.

That would be fine, then they can fire Robitaille and start getting serious about an actual rebuild.

 

[KINGS17]

lol Imagine if Blake did go to the Ducks. They'd have to put his banner in a vault.

A vault? Hell no, bonfire at the beach where Blake hosts his little volleyball games.