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GDT: 2018 WJC • Game 31 • Gold: SWE (1) - CAN (3) F

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TheTwelfth said:
So, Petterson's hold, Liljegren's slash, Kyrou's dive. That is minus 1 goal for Canada on the Liljegren, plus 4 powerplays with an expected 0.62 goals coming gained for Sweden...and that is just from memory.
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Liljegren dropped his stick. Either it got pushed into the boards and pried out of his hands or he did it to try to draw a penalty (IMO). You can't tell from the angle on the broadcast, but it was a run of the mill stick slash that you see 20 times a game, I can find a few by Sweden if you like. You are reaching really hard.

I agree that Petterson was hooked by Timmins. I think that should have been called.
 
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Pouchkine said:
The thing is in hockey especially in big games the penalties NEVER finish this lopsided 6-1 it never happens and it shouldn't have been that lopsided in reality yesterday either.
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It appears that it does happen. And it just did. You can tell because team Canada is wearing golden colored medals around their necks
 
Pouchkine said:
Game was clearly fixed for TSN and those who use this tournament as a big cash grab. 6vs.1 Penalties in a final in hockey you NEVER see that and it clearly wasn't the reality, it should have been 6-4 or something. Joke tournament all around and Canada still had trouble winning. The worst U20 ever this year both in terms of crowds and games. I say this as a neutral...
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It's about time we see that. What's to stop a team from doing whatever they want to their opposition, knowing the refs will try to equal out the penalties anyway? If my team had a great power play, what better way to get it on the ice, if I know the ref will equal out the penalties anyway?
 
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Penalties should have finished 6-3 or 6-4. I agree about the logic though for sure but it almost never happens unless it's the then Canada Cup or now the TSN U20!
 
Pouchkine said:
It's not just one call it's 6 penalties to 1 penalty, this never happens in hockey finals.
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Yeah, it does. The U.S. had 13 power plays in the 2002 Olympic women's final against Canada, including eight in a row. IIHF refs don't even-up calls like they do in the NHL.
 
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That was at their home olympics. Like Canada Cups for Canada and yesterday. Although it should be noted if I remember correctly in 2002 it was actually American referees. All 6 Sweden penalties yesterday were the correct calls but Canada for sure should have had at least 3 of them. Especially the holding in the 1st. That being said, the game was very average overall and to be honest neither team really deserved to win!
 
Canadians being more angry that Lias threw away a medal you get for losing than they are with players representing their country diving for powerplays is pretty hilarious
 
Was there an altercation between McLeod and Brannstrom in that game? Noticed Brannstrom wouldn't shake his hand.
 
Pouchkine said:
That was at their home olympics. Like Canada Cups for Canada and yesterday. Although it should be noted if I remember correctly in 2002 it was actually American referees. All 6 Sweden penalties yesterday were the correct calls but Canada for sure should have had at least 3 of them. Especially the holding in the 1st. That being said, the game was very average overall and to be honest neither team really deserved to win!
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You said it never happens in a final, and I just pointed out that it has happened and continues to happen. The 2002 game was the most obvious example, but skewed penalty totals happens in the IIHL more than you think, and Canada has been on the losing end more than the other way over the years.

Every game of hockey ever played has had missed calls. It's the nature of a fast-moving game. The Swedes were a fantastic team, but in the end they lost because they took stupid penalties, couldn't score even-strength, and were outplayed in the decisive final moments.

I don't know what you were watching, but that was a great game.
 
Pouchkine said:
Penalties should have finished 6-3 or 6-4. I agree about the logic though for sure but it almost never happens unless it's the then Canada Cup or now the TSN U20!
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This is idiotic.

If it is about make up calls then how many penalties make up for a goal lost to a quick whistle? 3, 4? Calling it 6-1 is also disingenuous when the 6th was an assault (actually two, Gustafsson's gross two handed slash didn't get called) committed when Sweden had given up. I'll give you credit for not trying to say it was 22-2 (counting the Steen misconduct) like the worst of the number spinners have tried.

It certainly wasn't the best WJC ever, with awful crowds, a lack of star power (esp. for Russia, Canada), the silly outdoor game... but the final was a great game and did a lot to redeem the event, not because of the outcome but because it was a great game.
 
The non-call at 1-1 late in the 1st period on the obvious holding when the referee had a perfect view was I thought them setting the standard for the game : we won't call anything unless very very obvious...
 
The final was a close game, decent game, but not high on the quality end. It's the worst U20 since I watch in 1989.

And please could you list me some men's game in IIHF or international play where Canada was "robbed" by referees?
 
Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I now see how annoying Canadians can be when we win this tournament. Not so much on here as on social media. And I blame this solely on TSN. I'm beating a dead horse, but they make this tournament out be more than it really is. Yeah, winning gold is great, but it's a U20 tournament. You don't see other countries celebrating like we do when they win U20 tournaments in other sports. New Zealand in rugby would be a good comparison.

Still, it's a Christmastime tradition, so it's not like I'm going to boycott it. I just don't get nearly as hyped up for it like I did 10 years ago.
 
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Morten said:
Canadians being more angry that Lias threw away a medal you get for losing than they are with players representing their country diving for powerplays is pretty hilarious
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Won't respond to the underlying bitterness in your post but to an extent you are right.

I'd take a different angle.

NHL players won't touch the conference trophies. We've had the Russians skate off before an anthem. We've had Canadian fans boo the USA anthem and vice versa. Canadian fans, players and managers have all chirped when on the losing end of the officiating.

Tossing a medal or putting it in your pocket wouldn't be in the book of sportsmanship but let's not pretend it's unique to this player/country.

We are men. When we lose, we pout. That's what we do.
 
Please stop with this medal nonsense, who cares. He should have played better that's what matters the most...
 
Pouchkine said:
The non-call at 1-1 late in the 1st period on the obvious holding when the referee had a perfect view was I thought them setting the standard for the game : we won't call anything unless very very obvious...
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The first period ended scoreless, so I assume you mean the 2nd, and it was Timmins hooking/holding Pettersson which happened at 1-0. I agree that looks like a missed call. Pettersson did embellish, that could be why they didn't call it? But still, I think that's the one good example.

Given how many errors you made do you really think your own observations are with sharing?
 
Yes that's the one. I meant at 1-1 penalties. After this non-call Sweden had 5 straight. And I'll repeat I don't use this as an excuse just stating the obvious that the refereeing was bizarre. I'm Canadian and I had a bet on Canada, still you don't like to see that.
 
There has been a lot of great finals in this tournament's history and a lot of tremendous gold medal winning teams, yesterday was neither.
 
Rocko604 said:
Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I now see how annoying Canadians can be when we win this tournament. Not so much on here as on social media. And I blame this solely on TSN. I'm beating a dead horse, but they make this tournament out be more than it really is. Yeah, winning gold is great, but it's a U20 tournament. You don't see other countries celebrating like we do when they win U20 tournaments in other sports. New Zealand in rugby would be a good comparison.

Still, it's a Christmastime tradition, so it's not like I'm going to boycott it. I just don't get nearly as hyped up for it like I did 10 years ago.
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Finland went wild when they won, so yes other countries go crazy when winning this thing.

And you need look no further then all the bitter tears and salt in here among the losing sides fans to see they obviously care a lot.

Are only senior tournaments worthy of value.

The WHC is just a B tournament and when any of the Euro countries win its a huge party so I dont get what you are saying here.

it is like you are saying Canada should be the only place that cant value things.

I must say, thats a very strange viewpoint all things considered.
 
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