In this case he should get a call, he's too good a scorer to ignore. But with Andrighetto, Bärtschi, Brunner and Hollenstein already on the team and Ambühl and Moser probably going to join, he would need a very good training camp to make it.
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In this case he should get a call, he's too good a scorer to ignore. But with Andrighetto, Bärtschi, Brunner and Hollenstein already on the team and Ambühl and Moser probably going to join, he would need a very good training camp to make it.
Brunner missed most of the playoffs with an injury, he just came back for the last game. So it's difficult to say how good he's right now, he still has all the tools he had the years before.
Of course, finals start on thursday with 3 games a week and a max. of 7 games. Those players will join later and especially on defence it's needed.
I think the NHL-out for the olympics could favor a Plüss-comeback. This could be a motivation for him playing there once again.
Hischier is out, very keen to see what's the decision there. U18-WC or WC-preperation or both.
Of course, finals start on thursday with 3 games a week and a max. of 7 games. Those players will join later and especially on defence it's needed.
I think the NHL-out for the olympics could favor a Plüss-comeback. This could be a motivation for him playing there once again.
Hischier is out, very keen to see what's the decision there. U18-WC or WC-preperation or both.
The U18 WC finishes on April 23, Hischier can play there and then join the training camp for the games against Denmark.
The forward group should be almost set at that point, it will be difficult for him to stand out.
The forward group should be almost set at that point, it will be difficult for him to stand out.
A lot can happen until this time, injuries, centers in bad shape. I'm pretty sure he'll get those games vs. Danmark and then it's up to Fischer to decide.
But it would be interesting to see what he can show vs. men. He could be an option for the olympics if he stays in the juniors next year.
But it would be interesting to see what he can show vs. men. He could be an option for the olympics if he stays in the juniors next year.
He should definitely get a chance. The center depth is good but lacks top 6 material, and both Romy and Haas were injured late in the season and might not be at their best. Schäppi could also be moved to the wing, that would free a spot (although him and Hischier are not fighting for the same spot).
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Slim I'd say. If Genoni doesn't decline Fischer probably goes with Hiller/Genoni and either Flüeler or Schlegel as #3.
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Odd, I was always under the impression Tobi was one of the top goalies in league. Especially considering the numbers he's posted this year (reg season + playoffs).
I think he will make the team if he wants, he's definitely better than Schlegel and Flüeler. But I'm not sure what his relationship with the team is, he rejected calls for the last three WC (although he regularly plays in mid season exhibitions). Maybe he didn't like being number 3 during his last two tournaments (2013 WC and 2014 OG)?
Hey guys
Im late to the party this year.
Some thoughts to complement the discussion
Maybe there's no better options than Genoni at the moment, but I've never been too high on his potential on international stage. As good as he is in the NLA, as solid overall he is, as mentally strong and intelligent as well...his lack of athletism, mobility and stickhandling as well as big save qualities are to obvious to make me feel totally comfortable. (If we could mix the best of his qualities with the ones of his longtime rival and companion Berra, we'd have a worldclass goalie again instantly). IMO he is clearly a step behind a prime Gerber/Hiller. It's a pitty Merzlikins isn't available.
We really have to hope that 1 or 2 of the young talents born 96-98 turn out as something special for the future.
I agree with stv11 about Dubois. As much as I like him, he looked totally lost last year skatingwise. Has become terrible in that department. But with the lack of depth he might grab a spot anyway.
And as every year: it's a pitty Forster doesn't play internationally anymore. Still Top 5 of all Swiss D in the NLA.
And as we had a discussion before. I stay with my pick Corvi. He's got the best combination of hands, shot, vision and offensive instincts of all swiss centers in the NLA. But he has to shine in the prep games as he's unproven.
Plüss does look much better than last year I agree. Not Federer like improved, but still
Im late to the party this year.
Some thoughts to complement the discussion
Maybe there's no better options than Genoni at the moment, but I've never been too high on his potential on international stage. As good as he is in the NLA, as solid overall he is, as mentally strong and intelligent as well...his lack of athletism, mobility and stickhandling as well as big save qualities are to obvious to make me feel totally comfortable. (If we could mix the best of his qualities with the ones of his longtime rival and companion Berra, we'd have a worldclass goalie again instantly). IMO he is clearly a step behind a prime Gerber/Hiller. It's a pitty Merzlikins isn't available.
We really have to hope that 1 or 2 of the young talents born 96-98 turn out as something special for the future.
I agree with stv11 about Dubois. As much as I like him, he looked totally lost last year skatingwise. Has become terrible in that department. But with the lack of depth he might grab a spot anyway.
And as every year: it's a pitty Forster doesn't play internationally anymore. Still Top 5 of all Swiss D in the NLA.
And as we had a discussion before. I stay with my pick Corvi. He's got the best combination of hands, shot, vision and offensive instincts of all swiss centers in the NLA. But he has to shine in the prep games as he's unproven.
Plüss does look much better than last year I agree. Not Federer like improved, but still
Hiller, Haas, Brunner and Hollenstein will not travel to France with the team. Hiller because Fischer wants to try the other goalies and the forwards to rest their late season injuries.
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Wise decision, we don't need our best players to get injured in such meaningless games. And hopefully Froidevaux, Schmutz, Genazzi and Herren are gone when the team heads to Slovakia.
Some thoughts about today's game.
Very average game overall. On the bright side, the pace was good, efficient forechecking and good defensive play, France was only dangerous on the PP and on a few plays by Da Costa's line. On the other hand, faceoffs were an issue, not much creativity on offense, which I guess is OK given the players available, and the PK was absolutely terrible, which is more worrying.
Schlegel made a few good save, maybe could have done better on the 2nd and 3rd goal. Sutter and Genazzi were the best defensemen, Geering and Marti weren't bad but I would have expected them to be the leaders of the defense. Loeffel was Loeffel, some very good offensive plays, some terrible defensive ones.
Praplan, Romy and Sutter were the best forward line, I think Sutter has earned himself a spot in the 2nd week. Riat and Schmutz had a good game with Froidevaux providing good defensive play. I didn't like the Almond line, although Almond himself had a good game, but Bieber and Herzog didn't do much. Schäppi had a good game, but Baltisberger had trouble with the pace and Herren tried to use his speed but was too clumsy too achieve anything.
The lineup, for reference:
Schlegel (Flüeler)
Geering - Sutter
Marti - Loeffel
Genazzi - Frick
P. Baltisberger
Praplan - Romy - Sutter
Bieber - Almond - Herzog
Herren - Schäppi - Baltisberger
Schmutz - Froidevaux - Riat
Very average game overall. On the bright side, the pace was good, efficient forechecking and good defensive play, France was only dangerous on the PP and on a few plays by Da Costa's line. On the other hand, faceoffs were an issue, not much creativity on offense, which I guess is OK given the players available, and the PK was absolutely terrible, which is more worrying.
Schlegel made a few good save, maybe could have done better on the 2nd and 3rd goal. Sutter and Genazzi were the best defensemen, Geering and Marti weren't bad but I would have expected them to be the leaders of the defense. Loeffel was Loeffel, some very good offensive plays, some terrible defensive ones.
Praplan, Romy and Sutter were the best forward line, I think Sutter has earned himself a spot in the 2nd week. Riat and Schmutz had a good game with Froidevaux providing good defensive play. I didn't like the Almond line, although Almond himself had a good game, but Bieber and Herzog didn't do much. Schäppi had a good game, but Baltisberger had trouble with the pace and Herren tried to use his speed but was too clumsy too achieve anything.
The lineup, for reference:
Schlegel (Flüeler)
Geering - Sutter
Marti - Loeffel
Genazzi - Frick
P. Baltisberger
Praplan - Romy - Sutter
Bieber - Almond - Herzog
Herren - Schäppi - Baltisberger
Schmutz - Froidevaux - Riat
Poor game today, lack of pace and pressure on the net, PK wasn't much better than yesterday.
Fischer tweaked the lineup a bit, swapping Bieber with Baltisberger and Herren with Riat. Another strong game by Pius Sutter, but Romy and Praplan didn't play as well as yesterday. Almond was probably the best center, Chris Baltisberger looked a lot better than in the first game, and Herren did a bit better too. Froidevaux, Bieber and Schmutz were invisible, and Herzog had another bad game.
Dave Sutter was the best defenseman again, and Marti and Phil Baltisberger played well. Genazzi didn't look good on the first goal, Loeffel didn't do much and Geering had a few turnovers and looked terrible on the winning goal. Flüeler was solid overall, few rebounds, can't blame him for the 1st and 3rd goal, and the 2nd probably went under the goal frame.
The main thing to take from these two games is that the PK doesn't look good. Dave Sutter and Pius Sutter made the best case for themselves, while Geering was the biggest disappointment.
The new roster should be announced soon. I see Herzog, Bieber and Schmutz as the most likely cuts. Not sure if Fischer will keep all centers, it depends if Walser and Corvi join the team, but it's difficult to point the most likely to be cut. On defense, I see Frick as the most likely cut.
Fischer tweaked the lineup a bit, swapping Bieber with Baltisberger and Herren with Riat. Another strong game by Pius Sutter, but Romy and Praplan didn't play as well as yesterday. Almond was probably the best center, Chris Baltisberger looked a lot better than in the first game, and Herren did a bit better too. Froidevaux, Bieber and Schmutz were invisible, and Herzog had another bad game.
Dave Sutter was the best defenseman again, and Marti and Phil Baltisberger played well. Genazzi didn't look good on the first goal, Loeffel didn't do much and Geering had a few turnovers and looked terrible on the winning goal. Flüeler was solid overall, few rebounds, can't blame him for the 1st and 3rd goal, and the 2nd probably went under the goal frame.
The main thing to take from these two games is that the PK doesn't look good. Dave Sutter and Pius Sutter made the best case for themselves, while Geering was the biggest disappointment.
The new roster should be announced soon. I see Herzog, Bieber and Schmutz as the most likely cuts. Not sure if Fischer will keep all centers, it depends if Walser and Corvi join the team, but it's difficult to point the most likely to be cut. On defense, I see Frick as the most likely cut.
Frick, Froidevaux, Schmutz and Bieber cut. Ambühl, Corvi, Paschoud and Heldner added. Furrer is healing an injury and will join the team later.
Surprising that Hofmann, Walker and the Wieser brothers didn't get call, they are better than some wingers already in the roster. No Du Bois or Schneeberger either, the defense is worrying.
In the NHL, tough first round for Josi and Weber vs Chicago, and Streit and Kukan will play each other. In the AHL, Kukan has a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs, Fiala is in and probably won't have home ice advantage, and Siegenthaler has a 50/50 chance to qualify. The other AHL players are in the playoffs and won't be able to join the training camp.
Surprising that Hofmann, Walker and the Wieser brothers didn't get call, they are better than some wingers already in the roster. No Du Bois or Schneeberger either, the defense is worrying.
In the NHL, tough first round for Josi and Weber vs Chicago, and Streit and Kukan will play each other. In the AHL, Kukan has a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs, Fiala is in and probably won't have home ice advantage, and Siegenthaler has a 50/50 chance to qualify. The other AHL players are in the playoffs and won't be able to join the training camp.
Thx for the reports stv11.
Have read about the additions to, respectively omissions off the roster just a few moments ago, and thought about exactley the same players. (+Simion)
Fischer must have the wing positions already thought out. Although Bärtschi has injured himself, that might will have an influence.
I thought Paschoud might be an option, not a fan of the Heldner pick though.
BTW just for the record: it's Pius Suter with only 1 "t"
Have read about the additions to, respectively omissions off the roster just a few moments ago, and thought about exactley the same players. (+Simion)
Fischer must have the wing positions already thought out. Although Bärtschi has injured himself, that might will have an influence.
I thought Paschoud might be an option, not a fan of the Heldner pick though.
BTW just for the record: it's Pius Suter with only 1 "t"
I don't know what to think. Even if he has the wings figured out already, you can always have an injury. Even if you consider Andrighetto, Bärtschi, Brunner, Hollenstein and Ambühl as locks for the top three lines and Suter, Riat and Praplan their potential replacements, there are still three spots left, including two for defensive players. Moser should get one, and maybe Fischer counts on Bodenmann, Rüfenacht, Suri or Zangger, but in case of injury, Hofmann is a better version of Herren, and Walker and the Wieser brothers are better options than Herzog or Baltisberger for the fourth line.
BTW just for the record: it's Pius Suter with only 1 "t"
I'm getting old, I'm still thinking of Patrick Sutter!
Good to see Furrer on board, I hope he'll be fit. His experience is strongly needed.
Hofmann ist strange. I never was a fan of Dino Wieser and Marc Wieser showed last year, that he's no use in a 4th line and he's not good enough for the other 3 lines. Walker isn't the player he was some time ago.
Hofmann ist strange. I never was a fan of Dino Wieser and Marc Wieser showed last year, that he's no use in a 4th line and he's not good enough for the other 3 lines. Walker isn't the player he was some time ago.
I thought Marc Wieser was OK last year, but maybe you are right about him. On the other hand, Walker is still a unique combination of speed and physical play, he's an upgrade over Herzog and Baltisberger. And so is Dino Wieser.
Maybe Schäppi will play on the wing? But he's the only defensive center left.
Or maybe there will be no purely defensive line? That would explain the Trachsler situation.
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Out with a concussion and not really a candidate either.
Herzog and Baltisberger have more offensive skills than Walker, probably a lot more. I guess that's where Fischer comes from. If it is the right direction, I don't know.
Herzog and Baltisberger have more offensive skills than Walker, probably a lot more. I guess that's where Fischer comes from. If it is the right direction, I don't know.
doug88
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good one! Surprised you didn't ask about Sprunger... 
Hopefully the defense doesn't look like that when the team leaves for Paris. I could see Geering making the team and Loeffel as the 7th d-man. Fisher will most likely select Grossman, Diaz, Blum (not a fan at all but well) and both Weber and Josi should be available after the first round. And thank God we avoided Dubois but what the heck is Furrer doing on this team?! I totally get that the SIHF wants to give the young guys some playing time and they're calling up guys that won't go to Paris, but Furrer really? You might as well want to call Steinegger out of retirement!
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Dino Wieser should be there, wonder what the reasons were for this decision.
Was an absolute beast in the playoffs, Niederrreiter is the only Swiss forward I'd choose over him if I'm looking for a power forward.
And yeah, wth is Furrer still doing on that team...
Was an absolute beast in the playoffs, Niederrreiter is the only Swiss forward I'd choose over him if I'm looking for a power forward.
And yeah, wth is Furrer still doing on that team...
Moser? Thürkauf?
You're being unfair on Furrer here. With the actual Defense available he's an absolute lock. You cannot ice 6 young guns, you need some experience. Furrer is a guy who played big minutes in important games (league and international play) for 10 years or even more. He may not be the same player he was 3 or 4 years ago but he's still more than solid and brings something to this d-core which is strongly needed.
By the way, Untersander should be taken this year, he made another step and his defensive game is far more reliable than that from Loeffel.
