Siberian
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Depth will be when the second team Russia, the one that just played France and Norway and so on beats those guys in the same fashion as the first team. Russia has no depth yet, but it will happen relatively soon.
WC: 2017 Team Russia
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Depth will be when the second team Russia, the one that just played France and Norway and so on beats those guys in the same fashion as the first team. Russia has no depth yet, but it will happen relatively soon.
kp61c
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i don't see it happening in the near future. come to think of it, in the distant future too.
Ok this forum is starting to make some noisebut i will not go into the Russia verses Canada and the past etc and Ovi....
I will sum up what i have seen so far :
1) I like this team they play a fast play with moving deffence where alle lines work hard
2) Props to Znarok for putting the 4 line together with Tegelin and company what a line they play like every shift is their last and is just what Russia need for upcoming games
3) Provorov still amazes me in a very quiet and calm way..just what i want from our young deffenders coming the next years ( to me this has been Russias weakes link the last 10 years or so)
4) Yes we have not played against USA and Canada but i am not really interested in the numbers i just want them to win and to see how they play together , working together and so on and i like it. They seem like a young and hungry team !!
5) Vasilijev (i know i spell his name not right sorry ) has been good when testet looks promising
6) I guess the Caps player are in on monday ?
7) Nichuskin does not impress me so far...
8) If Mosykain is out thats very sad because i think this would be he last WC...stupid German player...
And my big question and i am litle bit nervous for this...how is Panarin? Him being out today comes a surprice to me have not heard about him beein hurt
To me he is very very importent if we shall win the gold.
To sum it up keep it up Russia as Dadynov said after the game they are young and hungry!!!!!
I am Russia bigget fans here in Norway so you russian better keep me informed what russian newspaper say othewice i will have some sort of breakdown
The absence of Panarin wouldn't be that crucial an issue if Znarok actually invited the best players available.
I am not surprosed by your doublethink. A best on best isplayed by the best. One team. No matter how much depth there is behind. And Canada's depth is overrated. the have a lot of mediocre to good players. They don't necessarily have more elite players than other nations. Their goalie depth is crap. Sweden's D is deeper.
Alessandro Seren Rosso
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Nichushkin is inconsisent, still has no finish. Unless he doesn't break out soon we might be looking at a first round bust. Znarok told he will use him on PK... sigh.
Kaprizov might be on his way to not liking this coach. Another star who will not want to play for him soon.
First leak on the lines is: Tkachyov might get moved to the wing to play with Kuznetsov at center and Nichushkin.
Gives:
Panarin - Namestnikov - Kucherov
Tkachyov - Kuznetsov - Nichushkin
Gusev - Shipachyov - Dadonov
as early as against Latvia.
According to the schedule he would have hit the ice after the injury close to the start of tournament. Obviously too late to play.
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IDiO
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Sorry for using your quote to ***** about Canadian triumphalist nonsense, but that just happened to be the one I clicked on
Only on NHL boards will this be a thing to think about
. Even in football, where the top teams have a level of magnitude (or even a couple) more players to pick from, the absence of top 11 for Brazil would absolutely guarantee them not having a result that they would like against other powers. And that's absence of literally one player from every position, not four. The superstars are not around in packs no matter which country you pick. Canada *****es about IHWC all the time because it cannot call up 10 players that they'd prefer - where the **** is their storied depth? Shouldn't they win comfortably every year? With all that depth?
Or maybe there's only so many superstars in each generation? Maybe there's a reason why some players make 10M$, while others can't get 1? The "depth" worth talking about is Belarus/Latvia level players available in large amounts to the top countries. The top countries have plenty of these. And Russia clearly does quite well without Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, Radulov, Malkin (... the list goes on, these are off the top of my head). That's a perfectly acceptable depth as far as I'm concerned...
PS. Two Olympic wins in a row are certainly quite a dominant performance. But it's far from a absolute proof of total domination. No more than two Russian final wins in a row against Canada in 08/09 was a proof of total Russian domination.
Just for the record Karprizov is out 100 % ? Heard he was spotted in the arena during last game...
Nikushkin does not not look very good.. i am afraid he has /will become another Filatov...who will just dissapear.... Some years ago Jagr said he would be one of the best players in the world...cant say i agree with him he does not look good and i dont understand why Znarok would want him now..even in the game against Sweden before WC he looked bad.
Not sure if i understand what you mean here but for me Panarin is one of the best Russian players and if he should be out this will be very bad for Russia.
This guys is for my top 10 in the world among forwards in the world and will only get better and i think i loves playing on bigger ice.
From what i undersand its only a minor injury and he will be back maybe tomorow thank god
Nichushkin is definitely not another Filatov, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin or any other one sided players who don`t even try to help their teams defensively.
As you can see Znarok knows that Nichuskin can even defend and when it comes to offense his abilities are pretty useful either. Not sure why but he played just 36 games this season and still managed to get 24 points.
In NHL he was mostly in 3/4 line where his gameplay abilities suffered a lot, give Nichuskin 1-2 years and you will see difference.
Still Nichushkin is a lot more useful player then Kovalchuk even now.
I would not be worried about Kaprizov either we will surely see him in next IIHF tournament.
As you can see Znarok knows that Nichuskin can even defend and when it comes to offense his abilities are pretty useful either. Not sure why but he played just 36 games this season and still managed to get 24 points.
In NHL he was mostly in 3/4 line where his gameplay abilities suffered a lot, give Nichuskin 1-2 years and you will see difference.
Still Nichushkin is a lot more useful player then Kovalchuk even now.
I would not be worried about Kaprizov either we will surely see him in next IIHF tournament.
Russian forward depth would allow to survive a loss of a Panarin without even noticing. But Znarok doesn't like to use that depth.
As of now, the Russian hockey program is about the same size as Sweden and Finland, but far smaller than Canada and the United States. I am using IIHF statistics, which are probably at least moderately active. Within the last few years, there seems to be a moderate expansion of investment, but mostly, nothing has changed much since the 1970's, where the majority of national team players came from a handful of hockey schools - Chelyabinsk, Moscow, Penza, Yaroslavl, Cherepovets, and Voskresensk.
The 1988 Olympic team, one of the best ever, had 4 players in the lineup from Voskresensk, a town of 85,000. That shows how little development there was, and things haven't even started to really expand that much yet. The national team still has a guy, Namestnikov, from Voskresensk.
Fantomas
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Filatov is a major primadonna playboy. Nichushkin is not that bad. His problems are different; for example, he doesn't see the ice well. I think he is a mediocre talent who aroused scouts with his size and skating. He doesn't have a feel for the game at all.
The best scenario is for Nich is to become a decent supporting piece on the national team. The best I can say about him is that he is not a cancer. I think he works hard, with his limitations.
Interesting, i see it quite different. As i said, only one game and i dont follow him in KHL, but aside from some decent moves, his skating, size and "working hard" were major dissapointment for me.
He doesnt look very agile, average speed, almost clumsy on moments on skates. His size is ok on paper, but in the game he lost majority of board battles. And working hard, well he was put on PK and he looked very meh there.
Dont see him as defense, energy player alla telegin that can also contribute on offense, on PK looks meh, he wont see PP, so dont understand this choice.
Good thing is he wont probably see much ice time or he will prove me wrong in games that follow, will watch him closely...
Fantomas
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I agree that Nichushkin is not the most agile guy. He is an excellent north-south skater though.
His needs to show a high compete level. Without it he's worthless.
ovikovy817
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Seems like need to go through Finland in 1/4, Sweden in 1/2 and Canada in the final to win gold.
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The way Canada played since losing Barrie I really wouldn't expect them to make the final. If they don't find another gear, they won't have a chance against Latvia who I suspect will beat the Germans. The last two games the Canadians were just firing away from all over the ice but failed to create real chances. They also have shaky goalies. They will need Parayko to step up big time or they're in trouble. He's a very good player so he's the one who could turn this around. He was pretty good against Switzerland but he need to be even better. For the moment I'm not impressed with their team as whole. Russia has been way better.
Nino33
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Canada doesn't care about the Worlds, no one's complaining about being able to call players up or not (in fact even among actual hockey fans it's understood and OK when a player chooses not to participate, as many do)
Nichushkin came out of junior hockey with World-class potential, but then he suffered a hip injury so severe that he essentially had his hips replaced. That is very unusual for a guy that young, and he never fully recovered from where he was as a rookie with the Dallas Stars.
He was so big, strong, and at the same time, fast and agile on his skates. He could take the puck the length of the ice, fake to the inside, then use a burst of speed to the outside and get below the defensemen's shoulder pads, which would enable him to cruise to the net. That's how he scored the goal that won the Bronze Medal in Ufa in the WJC. If he could recover that ability, he could surprise a lot of people!
Rillijuti
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So this is what they will use tonight?
Any leaks on powerplays and pairs? Orlov, Provorov and Belov going to play big minutes?
