WC: 2017 Team Canada - Part II

[jj cale]

Busy watching NHL playoffs, so I just today looked at Canada's roster. Was wondering what the story on Taylor Hall is. Left off , nursing some injuries. Or just good management.[/QUOTE]

and Taylor Hall being a major contributor in the last 2 WHC Gold was what, bad team management?

He's nursing injuries and deserved a full summer of R&R. He made it quite clear weeks before the season ended that, he's banged up and would skip the WHC this year if asked. Hockey Canada got the message and never asked. However, I wish he were in Paris with the team. We'd be lucky to have him.

You should let it go.

but once Anaheim finishes off Edmonton in the next few days, Connor would be a welcomed addition.

Wonder if he would go? last night must have been devastating for a young player like him, might just wanna finish the season once that series is over and it is most likely over for them.

 

[JackSlater]

Because people are sheep and follow the same narative. The tournament was fun, especially with having the fully stacked canada lineup and north america was amazing.

Had a good laugh about this. Yes, blindly accepting what the tournament organizer tells you is good is a sign of being a bold, critical thinker. Noting that the garbage that the tournament organizer is offering up is garbage is being a sheep. Good stuff.

Wonder if he would go? last night must have been devastating for a young player like him, might just wanna finish the season once that series is over and it is most likely over for them.

There might not be anything left of any Oilers after Getzlaf and Perry are finished eating them alive.

 

[TorstenFrings]

Paris sucks. I'd rather go to Prague, Zurich or Vienna (haven't been to Cologne) any day than Paris.

I have been to all those cities and Prague and Cologne are the way to go as a young decent looking millionaire wanting to celebrate a win with your buddies.
Paris wins in the number of world renown sights easily, but that's about it. End of they day they are all huge cities and they are all fun in their own way.

 

[Canuckistani]

This McDavid will turn up if/when Edmonton is out?

 

[jj cale]

Had a good laugh about this. Yes, blindly accepting what the tournament organizer tells you is good is a sign of being a bold, critical thinker. Noting that the garbage that the tournament organizer is offering up is garbage is being a sheep. Good stuff.



There might not be anything left of any Oilers after Getzlaf and Perry are finished eating them alive.

They've been great. Still, what a collapse last night, pissed me off so much.

 

[JackSlater]

They've been great. Still, what a collapse last night, pissed me off so much.

I have no rooting interest in the playoffs this year. I am sort of pulling for Pittsburgh to beat Washington now though, because a Washington win would look so cheap after the shenanigans with Crosby. With Getzlaf though, there hasn't been a player like him in the last ten years or so. You don't know what you're going to get. When he suddenly turns it on there isn't anyone much better than him. When he's on he's still comfortably a top five centre in hockey.

 

[jj cale]

I have no rooting interest in the playoffs this year. I am sort of pulling for Pittsburgh to beat Washington now though, because a Washington win would look so cheap after the shenanigans with Crosby. With Getzlaf though, there hasn't been a player like him in the last ten years or so. You don't know what you're going to get. When he suddenly turns it on there isn't anyone much better than him. When he's on he's still comfortably a top five centre in hockey.

Absolutely, few players that top him when he is at his best. As you said he is kind of a strange player in that the light only goes on at certain times but he's dynamite when on. I had a friend in Calgary that used to go to his junior games all the time and he said sometimes getzlaf would be on the bench with his head in the air and this far away look in his eyes and one time while doing this my buddy hollered out "whats going on in your world today Ryan?" Getzlaf is just that kind of guy.

I have an interest in Edmonton winning myself, it's time for a Canadian team to win soon, the game needs it here in all honesty. It is really not good for the game when in a 2 country league only one country has teams winning, it really isn't. Add to that that the NHL game (by design) has been wrestled from Canadian traditonal stewardship into American corporate stewardship has been really bad for the game also. The corporate world and how they want the game to be(sanitized and mommy friendly)...............has really been horrible. It just isn't the same game anymore for Canadians(and for dyed in the wool old time hockey fans in the U.S also)

The drama just isn't there anymore like it used to be, they have sanitized it so damn much it's like watching an entirely different product, and a far lesser one at that.

Agreed on the pittsburgh-washington series, don't think the Caps deserve to win it on their hockey playing merits so far and hope they don't.

 

[Bear12Good]

Big news dor Canada.


Darren Dregger - "Сanada can add goalie after 2round "
http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/canada-shuffles-up-the-lines-heading-into-sunday~1117514

 

[JackSlater]

Absolutely, few players that top him when he is at his best. As you said he is kind of a strange player in that the light only goes on at certain times but he's dynamite when on. I had a friend in Calgary that used to go to his junior games all the time and he said sometimes getzlaf would be on the bench with his head in the air and this far away look in his eyes and one time while doing this my buddy hollered out "whats going on in your world today Ryan?" Getzlaf is just that kind of guy.

I have an interest in Edmonton winning myself, it's time for a Canadian team to win soon, the game needs it here in all honesty. It is really not good for the game when in a 2 country league only one country has teams winning, it really isn't. Add to that that the NHL game (by design) has been wrestled from Canadian traditonal stewardship into American corporate stewardship has been really bad for the game also. The corporate world and how they want the game to be(sanitized and mommy friendly)...............has really been horrible. It just isn't the same game anymore for Canadians(and for dyed in the wool old time hockey fans in the U.S also)

The drama just isn't there anymore like it used to be, they have sanitized it so damn much it's like watching an entirely different product, and a far lesser one at that.

Agreed on the pittsburgh-washington series, don't think the Caps deserve to win it on their hockey playing merits so far and hope they don't.

I couldn't care less about a team from Canada winning. I find it quite bizarre when a team is painted as "Canada's team". It's just a league, not international competition. If Edmonton is eliminated and McDavid comes over, I will be quite surprised but pleased with the development. Mostly I would like to see a line like Konecny McDavid Marner just to see what a WJC line Canada could have used this year looks like.

 

[Bear12Good]

if McDavid go

forwards line will be looks like

Ryan O’Reilly--Connor McDavid-Mitch Marner
Jeff Skinner-Claude Giroux- Mark Scheifele
Matt Duchene-Brayden Schenn Nathan McKinon
Alex Killorn-Sean Couturier- Wayne Simmonds
Brayden Point

Travis Konecny

 

[jj cale]

I couldn't care less about a team from Canada winning. I find it quite bizarre when a team is painted as "Canada's team". It's just a league, not international competition. If Edmonton is eliminated and McDavid comes over, I will be quite surprised but pleased with the development. Mostly I would like to see a line like Konecny McDavid Marner just to see what a WJC line Canada could have used this year looks like.

I see it a different way, you need the odd contending and winning Canadian team to keep the game/league vibrant and meaningful in these cities and country as a whole. Any sport, no matter how popular it is needs the fans of those clubs to feel actually relevant. It's just bad for the game if they aren't, we eventually won't be consistent winners at the international level either if the game does not stay relevant over time here. It's all intertwined.

I really disagree with you on this matter.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I see it a different way, you need the odd contending and winning Canadian team to keep the game/league vibrant and meaningful in these cities and country as a whole. Any sport, no matter how popular it is needs the fans of those clubs to feel actually relevant. It's just bad for the game if they aren't, we eventually won't be consistent winners at the international level either if the game does not stay relevant over time here. It's all intertwined.

I really disagree with you on this matter.

not so sure. there are a lot more issues that go into than just a team or a bunch of teams having success for the sport to be relevant.

TML hasn't really been relevant for most of the past 50 years, but Toronto and the GTA is producing some of the world's best talent.

I'd say teams' success on a regional level is only 1 out of about 20 factors that go into the equation.

 

[jj cale]

not so sure. there are a lot more issues that go into than just a team or a bunch of teams having success for the sport to be relevant.

TML hasn't really been relevant for most of the past 50 years, but Toronto and the GTA is producing some of the world's best talent.

I'd say teams' success on a regional level is only 1 out of about 20 factors that go into the equation.

Sure, there are other issues.

But let's not deny it is one. One thing is certain..........it doesnt ****ing help.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Sure, there are other issues.

But let's not deny it is one. One thing is certain..........it doesnt ****ing help.

sure, it helps to a degree.

now, if I can only find out who the Strome brothers had as a skating coach when they first started so I can smack him upside the head, I'd be happy.

 

[jj cale]

sure, it helps to a degree.

now, if I can only find out who the Strome brothers had as a skating coach when they first started so I can smack him upside the head, I'd be happy.

Here is to hoping you get your wish, these guys have caused you far more pain then you deserve.

No-one should have to deal with that ****.

 

[xxxx]

Big news dor Canada.


Darren Dregger - "Сanada can add goalie after 2round "
http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/canada-shuffles-up-the-lines-heading-into-sunday~1117514

Yeah, now we finally can be certain to not give up 4 goals per game with that lousy goaltending like we did against the Czechs

It's a good news, I agree. Getting Holtby or Talbot would be great. I hope McDavid is a real possibility too. Not that I writte them off though. I have already seen them to lose 0-7 to the Sharks and what happened then? Did it break them? No. The Oilers are a great team and they already showed they can beat the Ducks and be the better team. We will see what happens, getting one of Getzlaf/McDavid would be huge. Either one would be the best player of this team.

 

[garbageteam]

I see it a different way, you need the odd contending and winning Canadian team to keep the game/league vibrant and meaningful in these cities and country as a whole. Any sport, no matter how popular it is needs the fans of those clubs to feel actually relevant. It's just bad for the game if they aren't, we eventually won't be consistent winners at the international level either if the game does not stay relevant over time here. It's all intertwined.

I really disagree with you on this matter.

Canada's teams not winning the Stanley Cup won't really make it irrelevant. The Cup is the holy grail, but icing consistently competitive teams and making the Conference finals or SCFs are just as important for maintaining interest in the sport. Hockey is just too far ingrained into our culture for us to lose interest even over a generation by not winning a Cup. Edmonton and Toronto kept their fanbases through some seriously dour years, Vancouver will too.

As someone who's lived in five Canadian cities, hockey's big pretty much everywhere in this country. And Team Canada doing well is more relevant to me from a nationalism / patriotism point of view than a Canadian team you have no affiliation to winning.

Personally, I'm more concerned with relentless dilution of the league product without adding more Canadian representation (expanding into Vegas, Seattle, Portland, etc. without adding another Canadian team), making the Cup even more difficult to win without giving its largest fanbase/shareholders enough product, but that's a dumb rant for another dumb thread

Big news dor Canada.


Darren Dregger - "Сanada can add goalie after 2round "
http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/canada-shuffles-up-the-lines-heading-into-sunday~1117514

Didn't watch the vid, who are actual remaining realistic names that can be added? It's gotta be amongst the current 8 teams, as everyone else has already been asked and said no presumably. I'm still more concerned re: the D but very optimistic that Burns remains a remote possibility. That'd be bigger than whatever realistic G replacement we'd get at this point. Czechs were a bit unlucky in the scoreline, it was a closer game than 4-1 for sure.

 

[Bear12Good]

Czech play very well vs Canada.

 

[WadeRedden]

if McDavid go

forwards line will be looks like

Ryan O’Reilly--Connor McDavid-Mitch Marner
Jeff Skinner-Claude Giroux- Mark Scheifele
Matt Duchene-Brayden Schenn Nathan McKinon
Alex Killorn-Sean Couturier- Wayne Simmonds
Brayden Point

Travis Konecny

Imo the O'Reilly/Scheifele/Skinner looked dynamite in the last game against the Czechs. Scheifele has established himself as a legit #1 centre in the NHL and don't see any reason why the Canadians would move him to the wing. If McDavid comes over, pair him with Marner and Duchene and just let those boys flyyyyy. Have two #1 lines.

 

[Artyukhin]

What you think, will Johnson be goalie #1?

 

[JackSlater]

What you think, will Johnson be goalie #1?

No, Pickard. Johnson was a pretty useless addition. Pickard is not bad.

Having watched 1.5 games thus far, there are a few things to consider. One is where Couturier fits. It sounds like he will be back next game. I imagine that his spot is centering the Schenn line, as Simmonds/Schenn/Killorn all make sense as his linemates on an obviously defensively oriented line. Another thing is where another defenceman fits. It's not ideal having Demers on the top pairing, even for a tournament of this level. Dreger says that Lee will be registered for the tournament if Canada doesn't add anyone else, but I'm not sure that he is a great top pairing option. Last is about the junior line (Konecny Point Marner). They've looked really good so far in terms of both effectiveness and entertainment, but I'm not sure how effective they will be against experienced, well organized teams. Might be better to spread their youth throughout the lineup.

 

[Bear12Good]

I hope Canada add Pareyko and Pietrangelo.

and D- line will be looks like

Vlasic-Pareyko
Barrie-Pietrangelo
Demers-DeHaan

Matheson

Morissey

 

[jj cale]

Canada's teams not winning the Stanley Cup won't really make it irrelevant. The Cup is the holy grail, but icing consistently competitive teams and making the Conference finals or SCFs are just as important for maintaining interest in the sport. Hockey is just too far ingrained into our culture for us to lose interest even over a generation by not winning a Cup. Edmonton and Toronto kept their fanbases through some seriously dour years, Vancouver will too.

As someone who's lived in five Canadian cities, hockey's big pretty much everywhere in this country. And Team Canada doing well is more relevant to me from a nationalism / patriotism point of view than a Canadian team you have no affiliation to winning.

Personally, I'm more concerned with relentless dilution of the league product without adding more Canadian representation (expanding into Vegas, Seattle, Portland, etc. without adding another Canadian team), making the Cup even more difficult to win without giving its largest fanbase/shareholders enough product, but that's a dumb rant for another dumb thread




Didn't watch the vid, who are actual remaining realistic names that can be added? It's gotta be amongst the current 8 teams, as everyone else has already been asked and said no presumably. I'm still more concerned re: the D but very optimistic that Burns remains a remote possibility. That'd be bigger than whatever realistic G replacement we'd get at this point. Czechs were a bit unlucky in the scoreline, it was a closer game than 4-1 for sure.

You are not totally wrong but never winning a cup(or being relevant) will have an impact, it already has, just look at last years ratings when a single Canadian team didn't make the playoffs. It does hurt over time, no question about it.

You are dead on with the expansion/dilution of product with no Canadian teams being added.Granted, there are not many Canadian markets left that are big enough to host an NHL team but Quebec City is one and desperately needs to be granted a team. It should be a priority of the league to get them a team as soon as they can, not places like Vegas.

 

[1Gold Standard]

It would be nice if this time tomorrow McDavid is on the red eye to Paris...okay, maybe not tomorrow. got to give him sometime to breath. Tuesday evening take off from YYZ.

 

[snipes]

It would be nice if this time tomorrow McDavid is on the red eye to Paris...okay, maybe not tomorrow. got to give him sometime to breath. Tuesday evening take off from YYZ.

Hopefully not, we're beating the Ducks tonight, I have a feeling McDavid is going to play lights out tonight

On another note, the youngins at this tournament have played well for us.